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UK2BB
08-12-2007, 04:55 PM
Hey all,
I've recently started carb cycling and have a question about no carb days.

I've added up what I eat and I have about ~70g carbs. This however is all from vegetables - broccoli, cauliflower, carrots, peas, spinach, green beans. Also the little amount of carbs in PB and other things which is like ~5g carbs(in a plain grilled chicken burger).
My question is is this acceptable? Because essentially all carbs are good, but it defeats the purpose of 'no' carb days but articles make an exception for green vegetables.

Also, I would like to know if ready made chinese vegtable stir frys are good carbs? Although they are vegtables they include bean sprouts, corn etc which may not be considered acceptable.
And skimmed milk... is that ok?
Also, anyone know a good sauce to make chicken more interesting?


Thanks a lot everyone.

Biggins
08-12-2007, 05:07 PM
If your diet says to have NO carb days then your doing it wrong.Carrots and peas are very high carb.On no carb days dont eat anything but meat and a little brocolli.Your whey shakes will have some carbs and like u said the PB so you dont wanna add anymore.Also ground chicken burgers shouldnt have any carbs.

Skim milk is loaded with carbs.Corn is a very high percentage carb also.Best bet is brocolli and cauliflower,green beans.Dont eat huge bags of them tho as they still have carbs.

cphafner
08-12-2007, 05:15 PM
On my "zero" carb days I never counted the carbs in veggies.

MMEI
08-12-2007, 05:56 PM
Though veggies have a high fiber count, they do have 'normal' carbs and sugars so they are worth counting. Read the labels on the chinese stir fry. Skim milk has a high carb count.

UK2BB
08-12-2007, 06:46 PM
Keep the comments coming please. I guess my main problem and the reason I eat a lot of veg is that after just eating the protein im still starving!

Built
08-12-2007, 06:51 PM
What are your targets, UK2BB?

UK2BB
08-12-2007, 08:56 PM
I aim to lose weight to achieve 7-8% bf before starting a clean bulk. I have lost muscle mass due to previous poor dieting but have decided instead of bulking now I would rather get to a very lean state. Currently I am 6ft and weigh about 170lbs.

At the moment, everything is fine apart from no carb days where I get very hungry so I turn to vegs to fill me up (green) and was just wondering if thats ok considering its a no carb day. And also im in search of a good sauce to use for chicken! I always use BBQ sauce which is nice, but not good on no carb days!

Built
08-12-2007, 10:32 PM
UK2BB - no, that's not what I meant.

What are your maintenance calories, your LBM, your current % bodyfat...
What do you intend to cycle for high and low days...
What kind of macros do you like to run?

UK2BB
08-13-2007, 07:36 AM
1)Maintenance calories - 2900-3000
BF%- 11-10%
Lean bodymass - 145lbs

2) I dont quite understand your question, sorry. But currently my carb cycling is:
M:High
T:Low
W:Low
T:No
F:High
S:High
S:No

3) Thats going to change with the day really but, I aim for at least a minimum of 200g of protein a day often going over.

Thanks.

Built
08-13-2007, 07:11 PM
How much of a deficit are you going to run?
How many calories and what macros (grams of P,C and F) on each of the high, medium, and low days?

UK2BB
08-13-2007, 07:34 PM
Deficit of about 500
High: 30% Pro 20% Fat 50% Carb
Med: 45% Pro 27.5% Fat 27.5% Carb
Low: 50% Pro 40% Fat 10% Carb (from veg)

Built
08-14-2007, 11:57 AM
Deficit of about 500
High: 30% Pro 20% Fat 50% Carb
Med: 45% Pro 27.5% Fat 27.5% Carb
Low: 50% Pro 40% Fat 10% Carb (from veg)

The percentages don't mean anything to me. I just want grams and calories. Do you track those?

UK2BB
08-14-2007, 06:16 PM
High Carb: Pro~200 Fat~30 Carb~350
Low Carb: Pro~250 Fat~70 Carb~165
No Carb: Pro~300 Fat~90 Carb~60 (From green veg - but is this too high?)

Thanks

Built
08-14-2007, 06:19 PM
High Carb: Pro~200 Fat~30 Carb~350
Low Carb: Pro~250 Fat~70 Carb~165
No Carb: Pro~300 Fat~90 Carb~60 (From green veg - but is this too high?)

Thanks

I'm too lazy to do the math. What do these average out to for calories, and what is maintenance for you?

UK2BB
08-14-2007, 08:12 PM
Average out at about 2300 but if done accuratly calories are more like 2500. Maintenance is 2900-3000.

Built
08-16-2007, 09:02 AM
Okay, cool.

So you're cutting at about a 25% deficit on a high low no carb cycle, not sure what your training is like. You want to know if veggies are good for you?

Are you tracking on fitday?

What do you think the purpose is of a no-carb day?

Overall, your fats look rather low. They don't average out to much higher than about 60g a day. I weigh 135 on a heavy day and I usually get in about 70g of fat daily.

UK2BB
08-16-2007, 09:17 PM
Training is about 3 gym days a week and one cardio day (20min HIT)

Well, i would like to know if 65g of carbs on a no carb day is defeating the purpose of it even though they are 'good' carbs.

Built
08-16-2007, 09:42 PM
What purpose would that be?

(PS there are no good or bad carbs - they all serve a function)

UK2BB
08-18-2007, 12:15 PM
I think the purpose is to stop carbs being stored as fat on non workout days and also to burn more fat than muscle if cardio is being done on the day?

Built
08-18-2007, 12:17 PM
Well, that's the story. To me, the most significant contribution carb-cycling has to offer is appetite control. Carbs are yummy, but they make me hungry. I eat 'em when I need 'em (ie in the periworkout window on HIIT or heavy lifting days) and ditch 'em when I don't (rest, cardio).

That's why I only do high and low days. Makes it easier. Diet link in my sig describes how I do it.

smalls
08-18-2007, 02:10 PM
My short answer would be dont sweat it. But how long you have been dieting, how it's working for you. And as Built already got into, what your goals are, WHY your dieting in that manner etc.


Personally I think jumping into NO carb days early on in the diet is completely unnecassary and in some people counter productive. Unless as built stated carbs make it even harder to stay full and stick to the diet. I think a lot of people on this site do what I did the first time I diet, start out way too harsh. IMO.

UK2BB
08-18-2007, 04:40 PM
Ok, thanks for the help. I will give it a read.