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bamaboy5125
08-13-2007, 02:56 PM
Hello. I have been kind of frustrated lately. My sqaut, deadlift, and bench is all within 10 lbs of each other. I sqaut 275, deadlift 275 and bench 265. I dont under stand this? I hate this because I really would like to total 1000. It seems I could deadlift alot more if i extended my legs first and then raised my back. Does that make sense? I have been pretty much sqauting with the bar on the ground. Most people have a large differance between deadlift and sqaut, and bench. I am 17, 155-160, 5'8.

Adam
08-13-2007, 03:07 PM
Do you have videos of your lifts for us to see?

bamaboy5125
08-13-2007, 03:31 PM
I do not and I appologize.

Leeman
08-13-2007, 04:29 PM
bamaboy first off you need to spend some time squating...

Try squating 2 times a week with a easy warm up and 1 working sett, week 1 pick your 3 rep max and try to add 1-3 reps to it every workout until you can do it for 7 then add 20lbs and start over again the next workout.

Do breathing squats between reps so you can push out more. After a realy hard rep take a couple breaths at the top and then go for another.

About your deadlift it sounds like you are trying to squat the weight off the floor like a olympic lifter. That may be how your gym coach and personal trainers tell you how to deadlift but its far from how you should be pulling.

If you notice when a good deadlifter deadlifts the bar dosent break the floor until his upper legs are at around a 45 degree angel to the floor. They might start off with thier legs at 90 degrees but thier legs extend long before the bar gets off the floor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9P_yYBtkBs

notice the angle of his upper legs and back when the bar comes off the floor, try to pull like that.

bamaboy5125
08-14-2007, 02:16 PM
Thank you. That is what I need to know.

Sleepy Guy
08-14-2007, 02:24 PM
I agree with the squats bit not too sure about lifting solely with the back for deads.

I have been thought from day one to lift with the legs and dead lift better this way. Why would the old saying lift with your legs exist if lifting with you back is more effect and strongs?

Bohizzle
08-14-2007, 03:48 PM
deadlifting is very different for different people. Some people lift better with all back, others practically squat it up.

redFury
08-14-2007, 07:03 PM
I've seen a lot of people with squats very near their bench (I was one of them)... but this certainly changed over time. I truly believe squat to be the slowest lift to develop, so I would expect it to keep a slow pace and eventually become much higher than your bench. Be patient... just keep hitting it hard in the gym each week and it will come. :)

mickyjune26
08-14-2007, 07:23 PM
how long you been working on your deadlift? How long has it stalled?

kudos on your current strength levels. keep it up!

Guido
08-15-2007, 07:43 AM
I'm going to assume you've either been benching a lot longer than you've been squatting or deadlifting, or you give bench much more emphasis in the gym. Otherwise, your deadlift and squat would both be higher than your bench. Could be form issues. I'm sure you pay attention to your form on bench, so you should really learn good form on squat and deadlift. Once you start doing them right and give them focus, the poundages will skyrocket.

bamaboy5125
08-15-2007, 05:24 PM
Well, I have been benching for a long time... I have done it since I was little on my familys bench. I have been deadlifting for about 4 months. I have sqauted probably a total 15-18 sessions. I suppose I just need to be patient and hit the sqauts and deads harder. Thank you all so much for your input! I was hesitant about posting at first. Thank you all again!

North
08-15-2007, 07:32 PM
I've seen a lot of people with squats very near their bench (I was one of them)... but this certainly changed over time. I truly believe squat to be the slowest lift to develop, so I would expect it to keep a slow pace and eventually become much higher than your bench. Be patient... just keep hitting it hard in the gym each week and it will come. :)

weirdly for me its my fastest and deadlift is the slowest. But I pay more attention to squating than deadlifting.

bamaboy5125
08-16-2007, 08:19 PM
Well, I went to the gym today and did some dead lifts. I altered my stance a little, and used my back alot more and I pulled 315! I know this isnt a ton but this is quite an accomplishment for me. I am kind of confused on the belts? I have one but when ever I use it, it seems much tougher for me to pull up the weight. I tryed it belted and couldnt get it. Is this just a mental thing? Are belts necesary for a safe work out?

WBBIRL
08-16-2007, 08:30 PM
Its going to be different for everyone. Me for example I'm just nutty with the way my body works.

All throughout high school I was a huge puller, huge squatter and decent bencher. I think my best lifts in HS were 315/500/500 bench/squat/dead.

The squats weren't to parallel for sure and the dead was done with a trap bar.

My legs and back seemed to get stronger SO much faster then my chest, my bench was really ****ty until my 11th grade year. It was stuck at like 250 (half my other 2 lifts) and then I went from 250 - 315 and it shocked me.

Then after highschool my bench seemed to take off, my squat improved a bit but my dead started sucking. Now since 4 months ago by squat is ok but coming around, my bench is kinda just cruising and my deadlifts are going crazy.

It is weird that your big 3 is that close though. Your squat and dead should be naturally stronger then your bench if you train all 3 properly and aren't some kind of bench specialist (in which case you wouldn't be here asking for advice).

bamaboy5125
08-22-2007, 07:46 AM
any one have any input on the belt?

Adam
08-22-2007, 09:35 AM
Are belts necesary for a safe work out?


No.
Usually people 'can' pull more with a belt, you have to learn how to use it correctly though.

bamaboy5125
08-22-2007, 05:02 PM
What could I be doing wrong?

Adam
08-22-2007, 06:42 PM
How tight is your belt?
A lot of times people have it to tight and they can't force their abs into it.

Leeman
08-22-2007, 08:32 PM
try lowering the belt a little and haveing it a little looser so you gt get more air.

Push out on the belt and push your stomache/belt into your upper thighs and then just sort of lean/rock back into the pull.

You might try going up on your toes and then slambing your heals down to start the pull it helps you lean back and I feel activated your quads more. When you do this your body weight will help move the bar off the floor.

In my case when I do this it makes it easier to push my stomache into my upper thighs so I can use my abbs/fatness as sort of a car jack to get the bar off the floor.



But yeah basicaly I think the answer to your question would be loosen the belt a little so you can fill your belly more and use your stomache like I talked about.


Good job on 315, 405 is right around the corner. :strong:

Guido
08-23-2007, 07:42 AM
Leeman I'm curious about this technique you mention. I've been deadlifting for a while but never really thought about initiating the pull like you described. How much extra weight do you think you pull from using that technique?

Leeman
08-23-2007, 12:33 PM
Well I went from 490x1 to almost 600lbs in around 10 weeks when I started deadlifting like that.


I dont realy know how much difference it makes for me because I went from starting regular to doing that and just figured the PR's were comeing because I was just getting stronger.

Depends what your used to I guess, but I will always deadlift like that because I think it helps me get the bar off the floor easier. I used to take 2-3 seconds to get the bar off because I wasnt that fast. But doing that helped me put out more power faster and got me in a better position to pull.

You could probably try it on your deadlift warm ups and if you didnt like it you could always just deadlift normal on your heavy sets.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=pQVMqE3Wb3g

Video of Eric Cressey doing it

bamaboy5125
08-23-2007, 02:17 PM
I am going to the gym today. I will tryit again with the belt lol. I will let you all know how it goes

Guido
08-23-2007, 03:01 PM
Well I went from 490x1 to almost 600lbs in around 10 weeks when I started deadlifting like that.

Depends what your used to I guess, but I will always deadlift like that because I think it helps me get the bar off the floor easier. I used to take 2-3 seconds to get the bar off because I wasnt that fast. But doing that helped me put out more power faster and got me in a better position to pull.

You could probably try it on your deadlift warm ups and if you didnt like it you could always just deadlift normal on your heavy sets.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=pQVMqE3Wb3g

Video of Eric Cressey doing itFrom 490 to 600 in 10 weeks? Wow!

I'm going to try that technique tomorrow since it's my DL day and see if I get anything out of it.