Supplement start, advice?

[tonez9]

I've just hit the gym again, started back about 2 weeks ago goin 4 times a week. 1 day for chest tris shoulders, 1 day for back and bis, 1 day for legs, 1 day for extended cardio

Even when I wasn't at the gym for the 3 month vacation, I was still taking whey protein. 2 shakes a day. Which I would continue obviously.

I'm 20 years old, 6'1, 180 lbs, 15-18% BF. I've decided to research some extended supplements with the availability here in canada.

I have methyl-1-testosterone prohormone available, which I want to start taking in a 2 week, 20mg (2 cap) a day dosage. Then 2 weeks of tribulus to fight the estrogen. Rinse and repeat for 3, 2-week cycles of the m1ts. Then do 1 last week of the m1t, with 2-4 weeks of nolovadex to clean up.

Although m1t doesn't convert to estrogen, i've heard it is still nescessary to either a) stack with 4AD or b) take a tribulus or 60X0/clomid on the offweeks.

I will be supping 320mg/daily of Silymarin in as well since the m1t is extremely toxic on the liver. I do plan on starting this a week early and continuing it right through untill a week past the nova pct.

I've mainly decided to try the drugs out in order to bulk up. I know diet/rest are important as well as routine since they decided whether you cut or you bulk. I'd just like some opinions on taking this. I know m1t gets some bad ratings in the states, but for the past couple weeks, i've read that the main issue is with nausea/lethargy which the tribulus would kill the latter anyway. Gyno is obviously a problem but again, trib would cut that out as well. Acne/Rage weren't found in many people who took this.

I've done alot of research already and would just like some expert body-builders opinions. I'm not just some little kiddy who wants to get big without the work, I just want to hear some opinions on whether its worth it or not. I know you veterans get pissed with alot of the newbies who ask dumb ****.

Thanks in advance.

-Tony

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

No...diet is not important "as well". It comes first before anything else. It is THE most important thing and it the ONLY thing that will get you the size you seek. Get your diet in order before considering anything else.

Your stack is crap. Tribulus is absolutely worthless...and so are most prohormones.

How's your diet right now?

[tonez9]

I live at home with mom right now, but that changes in september. I eat pretty healthy, three square meals a day with a protein shake before supper.

Bagel + banana + oj for breakfast.
2 PB&J sandwiches or salami with lettuce + 2x peach/apple or pear with 2-3 bottles of water for lunch.

Supper varies, but it is normally pretty healthy. Always a big serving of vegetables.

Normally I'll make a healthier snack at around 9:00pm normally. Celery with PB or triscuits with cheese/veggies.

I haven't got down to calorie calculations or fats/carbs. Is this something I should monitor on the regular?

I've spoken with a couple irl friends who have suggested to see my gains with 2 solid months of hitting the gym. Then find a stack from there. Suggestions captain?

[KingWilder]

just from what you posted it doesn't look like you're getting nearly enough protein

register and plug what you eat into www.fitday.com and see how much protein, fat, and carbs you're eating

[razorcut]

I eat pretty healthy, three square meals a day with a protein shake before supper.


That's not going to do it. You don't need prohormones. You need to eat. Like mentioned above, you're not getting nearly enough protein.

[Holto]

I haven't got down to calorie calculations or fats/carbs. Is this something I should monitor on the regular?

At a bare minimum you should do it for 2-4 weeks. Right now you really don't know for sure what you are putting in your body.

[jdeity]

I have methyl-1-testosterone prohormone available, which I want to start taking in a 2 week, 20mg (2 cap) a day dosage. Then 2 weeks of tribulus to fight the estrogen. Rinse and repeat for 3, 2-week cycles of the m1ts. Then do 1 last week of the m1t, with 2-4 weeks of nolovadex to clean up.

Although m1t doesn't convert to estrogen, i've heard it is still nescessary to either a) stack with 4AD or b) take a tribulus or 60X0/clomid on the offweeks.

I will be supping 320mg/daily of Silymarin in as well since the m1t is extremely toxic on the liver. I do plan on starting this a week early and continuing it right through untill a week past the nova pct.
methyl1test will be liver toxic, and someone can correct me here but I think that's a low dose of silymarin (also, make sure the extract is from a reputable company so you can trust their assay on the silymarin) for what you're trying to do.

Re 4AD, no comment there...

Tribulus is 100% garbage. You can take our word, or go tear through any scientific research you want, but tribulus does nothing for strength, testosterone, or size. 60X0 has little if any research behind it, therefore I can't in good conscience suggest its usage. You'd also want to post in anabolic zone about how to stack the clomid with it (though you'll likely just be told not to do the m1t in the first place. It's your call in the end, but many will not recommend taking ph's - they're just largely ineffective, have serious side effects, and basically it just comes down to the point that you should just get real gear instead of using ph's)

Also, I imagine you already have your nolva on hand. If not, and if you're going to do the cycle, have the nolva on hand before you start. Also, I'm sure you already know, but 'Nolvadex' and 'Novedex' are not the same thing. For PCT you're looking for NOLVADEX (brand name for tamoxifen), not the gaspari brand 'novedex' at the health food stores. Nolvadex is a controlled substance here in the states, dunno about canada. Although you can order it in the states as tamoxifen (usually/always in liquid form) for 'research purposes'.

In all honesty though, the questions you're asking seriously indicate that you should put the m1t either in the trash, or in the closet for future use.





I've mainly decided to try the drugs out in order to bulk up. I know diet/rest are important as well as routine since they decided whether you cut or you bulk. I'd just like some opinions on taking this. I know m1t gets some bad ratings in the states, but for the past couple weeks, i've read that the main issue is with nausea/lethargy which the tribulus would kill the latter anyway. Gyno is obviously a problem but again, trib would cut that out as well. Acne/Rage weren't found in many people who took this.

Trib won't cut any gyno worries (one of the reasons I said to have tamox on hand before you even start, if you do go with it). Throw away the tribulus!

Rage? lol, no comment.

Your comment of 'I know diet/rest are important as well' pretty much sums up why you should not be looking to do a cycle at this point.



I haven't got down to calorie calculations or fats/carbs. Is this something I should monitor on the regular?


As Holto said, you should definitely do fitday. It should almost be a requisite (not specifically fitday, but just any way of knowing your macros/total cals for given time periods) until you get the hang of it. I can't tell you how long you'll need to use it before you just kind of 'know' that your calories/macros are in line. Fitday is free (fitday.com) and after the first couple days it's insanely easy to use.

[mikey4402]

you say you have researched. well i think you need to do a little bit more because you have no idea about diet let alone anything about prohormones.

M1T can be affective, but IMO if your going to go with M1T you might as well just go all they way and switch over to the darkside. Either way you need to do some more research, and while your doing that get your diet in check.

[jdeity]

you say you have researched. well i think you need to do a little bit more because you have no idea about diet let alone anything about prohormones.

M1T can be affective, but IMO if your going to go with M1T you might as well just go all they way and switch over to the darkside. Either way you need to do some more research, and while your doing that get your diet in check.

Agreed (bold)! You've already gotta if you're gonna use any effective PCT drugs anyways (I found it funny when I was around people using ph's because they were legal, then using tamoxifen for PCT like it's legal lol)

[tonez9]

I wouldn't have came to these forums if I thought I was good on my own. I don't know alot, hence why I asked you for your two cents. I guess theres always a negative nancy in any community.

I've decided against taking the PH, but now I would like some info on a good, affordable MV that can be bought at GNC or Hercs.

I have a hard-time eating more than what I do now. I've been forcing myself to eat, but I still don't know the required levels for protein/fats/carbs and calories. Any info on this would be ideal as well as any cheap meal ideas since I will be on my own in september.

Thanks for all the advice guys. <3:ninja:

[Built]

Diet link in my sig might help you.

Up your fats - it's the easiest way to increase calories.

[jdeity]

Def see built's links.

And if you're having a hard time getting your macros/calorie goals through food, there's always the shortcut of weightgainers. It's nice to pound a 1,000 calorie meal in 5 seconds.

[jdeity]

Oh, about the multi's, at GNC they're gonna be pushing the most expensive ones on you. My advice would be to go for their product "solotron w/o iron". They'll try to upsell you to mega men or some of the other time release premium ones, but solotron w/o iron (not solocaps, or soloday, just 'solotron w/o iron) is the best for the money there imo. I think it's about $10 for a 3 month supply.