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KingWilder
08-14-2007, 11:51 AM
My friend sent me this in an email (I guess because she knows how obsessed I am with lifting and nutrition)

http://dailynews.mcmaster.ca/story.cfm?id=4850

To gain muscle and lose fat, drink milk
by Michelle Donovan
August 08, 2007

Part of an ongoing study into the impact of drinking milk after heavy weightlifting has found that milk helps exercisers burn more fat.

The study by researchers at McMaster University and published today in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, was conducted by the Department of Kinesiology's Exercise Metabolism Research Group, lead by Stuart Phillips.

The researchers took three groups of young men 18 to 30 years of age - 56 in total - and put them through a rigorous, five-day-per-week weightlifting program over a 12-week period. Following their workouts, study participants drank either two cups of skim milk, a soy beverage with equivalent amounts of protein and energy, or a carbohydrate beverage with an equivalent amount of energy, which was roughly the same as drinking 600 to 700 milliliters of a typical sports drink.

Upon the study's conclusion, researchers found that the milk drinking group had lost nearly twice as much fat - two pounds - while the carbohydrate beverage group lost one pound of fat. Those drinking soy lost no fat. At the same time, the gain in muscle was much greater among the milk drinkers than either the soy or carbohydrate beverage study participants.

"The loss of fat mass, while expected, was much larger than we thought it would be," says Phillips, associate professor of kinesiology at McMaster. "I think the practical implications of these results are obvious: if you want to gain muscle and lose fat as a result of working out, drink milk."

As reported in the first phase of the study, the milk drinking group came out on top in terms of muscle gain with an estimated 40 per cent or 2.5 pounds more muscle mass than the soy beverage drinkers. In addition, this group gained 63 per cent or 3.3 pounds, more muscle mass than the carbohydrate beverage drinkers.

"I think the evidence is beginning to mount," says Phillips. "Milk may be best known for its calcium content in supporting bone health, but our research, and that of others, continually supports milk's ability to aid in muscle growth and also promote body fat loss. To my mind - with milk being a source of nine essential nutrients - it's a no brainer: milk is the ideal post-workout drink for recreational exercisers and athletes alike."

Ongoing work with this project will focus on the components of milk that might be responsible for the effects observed by the McMaster-based researchers. The work was supported by grants from the Canadian Institutes for Health Research and a grant from the US National Dairy Council.

Cirino83
08-14-2007, 11:56 AM
interesting.....

does this go for FF milk or just whole?

KingWilder
08-14-2007, 11:58 AM
the study only covered skim milk, soy, and a carb drink

it'd be interesting to see a study like this with different types of milk (due to fat content and the fact that fat slows absorption)

Gunshow
08-14-2007, 11:58 AM
They did the study with skim milk... that is FF.

Leeman
08-14-2007, 12:48 PM
Wether you belive in evolution or God milk was made to be the best thing for baby cows to eat durring the fastest growth period of thier life.

Same goes for eggs.

MrWebb78
08-14-2007, 01:08 PM
Wether you belive in evolution or God milk was made to be the best thing for baby cows to eat durring the fastest growth period of thier life.

Same goes for eggs.

the same could be said for all mothers milk? unless we're all baby cows.

Questor
08-14-2007, 01:10 PM
This just confirms what I've known forever:

Real men eat steak and drink milk.

Biggins
08-14-2007, 01:49 PM
Wether you belive in evolution or God milk was made to be the best thing for baby cows to eat durring the fastest growth period of thier life.

Same goes for eggs.

Uhhh...explain the eggs part????Eggs arent noursihment for baby chickens.....eggs ""are"" the baby chicken.

KingWilder
08-14-2007, 01:52 PM
haha, a lot of the things he says don't make sense

Stumprrp
08-14-2007, 01:54 PM
all hail a quart of milk after workouts OR during!

ive done it...

KingWilder
08-14-2007, 01:56 PM
screw that, how about a milkshake

Biggins
08-14-2007, 02:07 PM
When I start bulking IF style I just may do a chocolate milk PWO routine.1/2 gallon of Quick:)

Alex.V
08-14-2007, 02:14 PM
Study says: “Skim milk post workout is somewhat better for body composition than a similar quantity of calories from soy milk or sugar water, particularly when training volume is heavy.” Article headline: “To gain muscle and burn fat, drink milk!”. And people wonder why I’m so negative and skeptical all the time.

monkeyarms
08-14-2007, 02:29 PM
I don't put much stock in a study like that.

First of all they only had a test group of 56 people which is not enough to provide accurate results....then they don't mention whether the test subject's diets were the same....which would be difficult anyway because you would have to know precisely what each person's maintenance cals were, make sure they ate the same over/under maintenance, ate at the same times of day, did the exact same physical activities over the weeks, etc. Saying that one group lost 1 lb over 12 weeks.....big deal....that's like 40 cals a day - you can burn that just by blinking more. Measuring devices for fat & lbm aren't 100% accurate either...

Maybe the whole thing's legit, but I went to the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition website to look at the full study and they want $$$ to view it so I'll probably never know.

I love milk though :D

Leeman
08-14-2007, 02:32 PM
the same could be said for all mothers milk? unless we're all baby cows.

True

But still..

Leeman
08-14-2007, 02:40 PM
Uhhh...explain the eggs part????Eggs arent noursihment for baby chickens.....eggs ""are"" the baby chicken.

As the embryo of a baby chicken grows its primary food source is the YOLK.

You know, the orange part of the egg that you aparently think is a chicken.

Leeman
08-14-2007, 02:49 PM
haha, a lot of the things he says don't make sense

They only make sence to people who know what they are talking about before they post.

chicken embryo eat the yolk of the egg. Just like baby cows drink milk.

Cirino83
08-14-2007, 02:53 PM
^^ bad analogy if the egg part is even true. lol

one feeds itself, the other is being fed from an outside source.

Alex.V
08-14-2007, 02:54 PM
They only make sence to people who know what they are talking about before they post.

chicken embryo eat the yolk of the egg. Just like baby cows drink milk.



For somebody so condescending, I’d think you would know the difference between embryonic nutrition and post-partum, developmental nutrition.

Or how to spell “sense”, for that matter.

Biggins
08-14-2007, 03:04 PM
the yolk is the chiocekn and the white is protein used to grow the yolk.

Leeman
08-14-2007, 03:23 PM
^^ bad analogy if the egg part is even true. lol

one feeds itself, the other is being fed from an outside source.

Its not a analogy,

Earlier I said milk is a great food etc etc, and then I said "same goes for eggs".


I felt the need to say it again because so many people seemed to confuse it the first time.

KingWilder
08-14-2007, 03:26 PM
They only make sence to people who know what they are talking about before they post.

chicken embryo eat the yolk of the egg. Just like baby cows drink milk.

a little touchy aren't we?

comparing a calf drinking it's mother's milk was an obvious analogy

comparing an embryo using the yolk for nourishment was a bad analogy as already stated this occurs within the egg, not postpartum

EDIT: THIS is the "analogy" we are referring to:


chicken embryo eat the yolk of the egg. Just like baby cows drink milk.

Leeman
08-14-2007, 03:34 PM
For somebody so condescending, I’d think you would know the difference between embryonic nutrition and post-partum, developmental nutrition.

Or how to spell “sense”, for that matter.


Your right there is a difference.

But it in no way takes away from what I was saying. Milk and eggs are both widley used as food for young animals, durring thier fastest growth period.

If there was a better food for them to be eating durring this time I think evolution or god would have them eating it.

But this is my opinion.


Im not condisending its just annoying when people disagree with something I say with the wrong facts. Makes me go out of my way to prove my point and then other people will find one thing I said that dosent hold true in every situation and then the conversation will turn into what it is now.

Leeman
08-14-2007, 03:54 PM
a little touchy aren't we?

comparing a calf drinking it's mother's milk was an obvious analogy

comparing an embryo using the yolk for nourishment was a bad analogy as already stated this occurs within the egg, not postpartum

EDIT: THIS is the "analogy" we are referring to:

Not trying to be rude to anyone.

But this went from me saying eggs and milk are good foods into some one saying that chickens dont eat the contents of the egg then you agreeing with the guy who said that...

And now you are trying to take away from what I said because you think it was a bad analogy.

I guess it was a analogy now that I think of it, I compared the two because they are good foods have protein and fat and are widley used durring the fastest growth period of a animals life.

I thought this was enough to compare them.

But I will respect the fact that you dont think so.

Hope this hasent ruined the thread because it was intresting...

sharkall2003
08-14-2007, 04:05 PM
Edited.

ShockBoxer
08-14-2007, 05:59 PM
You know, even to my totally uneducated eye:

How much weight did the average person lose? Just the two pounds?

If all other factors were equal how did the soy drinkers not lose any fat? Did they lose two pounds of muscle instead? Did they defy the law of physics and not lose a damned thing?