Creatine is bad for you.

[Keith]

So my sister just found out I was on creatine... and she was blown away by that and said, "Oh wow, I never knew that." So I asked her why is that a big deal, knowing that I could convince her with a simple answer or two. She told me creatine is very bad for you and this is what her professor taught her in University. So, there I was, standing there in a calm manner, trying to hold myself back from throwing my head into the wall beside me. I attempted to explain it but instead of listening, she told me well obviously he's right, because he is a University professor and all. What is this crap?! These students think they're being educated?? I know it's such a small subject that the majority of them will talk about again, but this is the message they're being sent to spread to everyone who brings this topic up.

Just my pointless rant for the day and needed to talk about it. I'll care less tomorrow. Probably because I'll be in Myrtle beach for the week! Don't worry, I'll be training there, and get a decent tan. It'll be the end of my cut so I'll take some progress pics when I get back as well. Can't wait for the trip!

[ray34iyf]

Yep. Fricking unbelievable. My sister is a senior at UW-Madison and when she found out that I was taking it she told me that I am abusing drugs and am going to kill myself if I keep taking it. Just have to let it go. Ignorance is one thing, but then insisting to stay ignorant because some professor or teacher said it is so frustrating.

[Keith]

Yep. Fricking unbelievable. My sister is a senior at UW-Madison and when she found out that I was taking it she told me that I am abusing drugs and am going to kill myself if I keep taking it. Just have to let it go. Ignorance is one thing, but then insisting to stay ignorant because some professor or teacher said it is so frustrating.

Abusing drugs and killing yourself?! That's awesome. If it was some random person I would probably just laugh and brush it off. But it's my sister, I hate hearing that **** from family. I really wanted to educate her but I know it would just lead to an arguement. She wouldn't take my word for it because I'm not a proff at some University.

[Rusty]

Unless she's a vegetarian, she takes creatine aswell.

[chris mason]

Tell your sister to read about it on PubMed and see what real researchers have to say.

Chris

[ray34iyf]

Yep, that's why I now have to hide my creatine or risk being kicked out of my house...I'm leaving for college in about 2 weeks so HA mom and dad. I know they have the best intentions, but it's just annoying.

[Keith]

Unless she's a vegetarian, she takes creatine aswell.

Already told her that. Didn't do much.

Tell your sister to read about it on PubMed and see what real researchers have to say.

I will. Thanks, Chris.

Chris

Yep, that's why I now have to hide my creatine or risk being kicked out of my house...I'm leaving for college in about 2 weeks so HA mom and dad. I know they have the best intentions, but it's just annoying.

Lol, to come to that extent sucks. I don't care enough to hide it, but it did frustrate the hell out of me.

[Phenom]

Just follow her to class one day and go up to her professor and engage in a front double bi then kick him in the nuts. If he's gonna spread garbage like that around he deserves it.

[mikey4402]

your not helping the situation by avoiding the topic with your family members.
no question, they are ingorant about creatine, but they do care about your well being. you should as chris stated show them a link to pubmed, or just tell them about how much creatine you consume when you eat that juicy stake.


also what class do they discusses creatine in?

[Detard]

My dad brought up the Chris Benoit situation when he saw me taking my creatine one day. I was like WTF?! What the hell does that have to do with CREATINE!?!?!

[ProLogic]

Does she not know that Creatine is also used to cure Muscle diseases?

[Keith]

Just follow her to class one day and go up to her professor and engage in a front double bi then kick him in the nuts. If he's gonna spread garbage like that around he deserves it.

Haha, that's awesome.

your not helping the situation by avoiding the topic with your family members.
no question, they are ingorant about creatine, but they do care about your well being. you should as chris stated show them a link to pubmed, or just tell them about how much creatine you consume when you eat that juicy stake.


also what class do they discusses creatine in?

She took Kinesiology. Not sure exactly what class though. I don't even know if it's worth going into further explanation though.

My dad brought up the Chris Benoit situation when he saw me taking my creatine one day. I was like WTF?! What the hell does that have to do with CREATINE!?!?!

There goes your roid rage, Detard, settle down.

Does she not know that Creatine is also used to cure Muscle diseases?

I'm assuming she doesn't if I didn't know..

[smokinHawk]

these professors are jokes they say that creatine is bad and socialism is good.

[ProLogic]

Haha, that's awesome.

I'm assuming she doesn't if I didn't know..

We'll, if her teacher is going to be the expert on telling whats good and what's bad he/she could of said what it was used for. I hate people who think they know it all.

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

I see creatine and anabolic steroids thrown into the same basket all the time in the media. People are either willingly ignorant or genetically stupid.

[Cirino83]

I see creatine and anabolic steroids thrown into the same basket all the time in the media. People are either willingly ignorant or genetically stupid.

I'll take C, both.

[Twan]

Does she not know that Creatine is also used to cure Muscle diseases?

That's an extremely bad argument. Marijuana is used to ease cancer pain. Steroids are used by doctors all the time. Still, marijuana and steroids still have a horrible rap.

[ProLogic]

Not exactly. Marijuana and Steroids have bad side effects.

[thor310]

There's a saying along the lines of 'don't listen to a dumb person's summary of what a smart person said, because they put it in terms they can understand'. Maybe the prof said something about creatine and she mistook it for something else? creatine also sounds like lots of other compounds carnitine, carnosine, etc (none of which are bad, iirc).

I know lots of college kids who dont pay proper attention in class and bring shame onto higher education. I'm not saying your sister is necessarily one of them.

Be wary of people who have justify their statements by name dropping instead of having facts.

Marijuana has bad side effects.

really? :angel:

[ProLogic]

Long term bad side effects xD

[Bikkstah]

University professors are not real doctors despite how often they correct you when you don't address them as such. REAL medical doctors have done research on Creatine, show your parents the real research.

[mikey4402]

University professors are not real doctors despite how often they correct you when you don't address them as such. REAL medical doctors have done research on Creatine, show your parents the real research.

they are real doctors, they have their PHD just not a MD.

[leetuck]

Don't they put Creatine in some facial products nowadays? I'm sure I saw an advert recently about it.

[thor310]

University professors are not real doctors despite how often they correct you when you don't address them as such. REAL medical doctors have done research on Creatine, show your parents the real research.

I'm pretty sure that univ. profs do more research on how supplements work than medical doctors (they usually do the clinical validation). Most people who design supplement blends aren't medical doctors either, they usually have someone on the staff with a phd (like univ. profs).

99% of profs I now (I know a lot) preferred to be called by their first names. this might be different at a small liberal arts school.
I'm not saying her prof isn't an idiot providing incorrect information. Unless it was a nutrition class, the prof should be teaching biochemistry/physiology more than his bias anyway. Majority of times, I find that it's the student who has misunderstood correctly presented info.

the fact that Keith tried to explain muscle composition to his sister but she was resistant to new info tells me that her bias towards workout supplements influences her more than real facts, while basing her bias with her prof's credentials instead of facts of her own. tuttut

[HahnB]

I stopped taking it all together. I don't think the benefits, which seem to be pretty small, are worth the money-regardless of how cheap it may be. Has anyone actually started taking it and said "oh **** man, this creatine is crazzzy, my lifts are going through the roof"! I never noticed any type of significant result from it to justify spending any money on it.

[Built]

Keith - a few things.

First off, it's good for your brain, heart, muscles (http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showpost.php?p=1019174&postcount=19)... and if she balks, tell her she's hardly one to talk, since birth control pills are oral anabolic steroids (assuming she's on them... )

[Bikkstah]

they are real doctors, they have their PHD just not a MD.

PHD is not a doctor to me, sorry. The majority of PHD's probably don't even know CPR.

[Keith]

Tell your sister to read about it on PubMed and see what real researchers have to say.

Chris

Keith - a few things.

First off, it's good for your brain, heart, muscles (http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showpost.php?p=1019174&postcount=19)... and if she balks, tell her she's hardly one to talk, since birth control pills are oral anabolic steroids (assuming she's on them... )

Thanks guys. I posted those links to her in an email. I figured if she wasn't going to listen to me in person, I can do this in a calm manner and send her credible facts from other people.

[thor310]

hmm, can't delete posts?

[SpecialK]

Keith - a few things.

First off, it's good for your brain, heart, muscles (http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showpost.php?p=1019174&postcount=19)... and if she balks, tell her she's hardly one to talk, since birth control pills are oral anabolic steroids (assuming she's on them... )

BC pills are AAS? I thought they were a high dose of progesterone? That's not anabolic, is it?

[dudeman1056]

im not against creatine but i wanna learn about it so i gotta question:

When you take creatine for a certain amount of time then stop using it do you go back to regular size?

[Detard]

I stopped taking it all together. I don't think the benefits, which seem to be pretty small, are worth the money-regardless of how cheap it may be. Has anyone actually started taking it and said "oh **** man, this creatine is crazzzy, my lifts are going through the roof"! I never noticed any type of significant result from it to justify spending any money on it.

I'm with you on that. I only noticed about 1-2 rep increase on weights I had done the previous week. However, I got 2 free jars of Kre-Alkaline from a buddy so I figure I might aswell take it... even if the gains are minimal.

[Holto]

University professors are not real doctors despite how often they correct you when you don't address them as such. REAL medical doctors have done research on Creatine, show your parents the real research.

Most University teachers aren't even professors. I can't think of the correct term for it but if you look at a schools 'roster' you'll see that each department only has a few actual professors.

If she is claiming to be so smart and educated tell her to produce some research. Tell her that referencing her teacher is heresay and not in any way scientific.

[thor310]

Most University teachers aren't even professors. I can't think of the correct term for it but if you look at a schools 'roster' you'll see that each department only has a few actual professors.


what school did you go to?!

[Holto]

what school did you go to?!

Well I've looked at the faculty listing for UofT and Trent.

Each department only had a few actual profs. I have a friend that has 3 degrees who pointed this out to me.

Here is a listing for Harvard:

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/faculty/

Most are either Prof, Associate Professor, Assistant Prof, some are referred to as lecturer.

I'd bet most of the Assistant Prof's students call them Professor.

[thor310]

Well I've looked at the faculty listing for UofT and Trent.

Each department only had a few actual profs. I have a friend that has 3 degrees who pointed this out to me.

Here is a listing for Harvard:

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/faculty/

Most are either Prof, Associate Professor, Assistant Prof, some are referred to as lecturer.

I'd bet most of the Assistant Prof's students call them Professor.

Oh, i see what you're saying.
There are like 10+ levels of professorship positions. Being a prof isn't a ceiling, there are technical names to dictate which pay grade one is in, and whether they have tenure etc. I'm pretty confident that even associate profs at harvard have done very successful phd's and maybe even postdocs. Don't let the title confuse you.

Initially I thought you meant teaching assistants who are just grad students.

[Built]

BC pills are AAS? I thought they were a high dose of progesterone? That's not anabolic, is it?


I'm pretty sure the mini-pill is progesterone-only. Regular birth control pills are estrogen or estrogen with progesterone, right? Regardless, both are oral steroids.

I'm pretty sure estrogen is anabolic to fat and bone, yes? That would mean that regular bc pills are oral anabolic steroids, but not AAS - they're not androgenic.

[Sharkxx]

so let me get this str8 lol.. creatine is like a steriod, but a good one? Doesn't really hurt your body just helps you get enegry when u work out?

[DeterminatioN13]

Its not really a steriod, creatine is in meats, its more of a larger amount. Here's from the AtLargeNutrition website about Creatine though:

"Creatine is a naturally occurring substance which can be found most predominantly in meats. If we ate enough of the right foods, we could be certain to consume a sufficient amount of creatine to achieve an ergogenic effect. The phrase "if we ate enough of the right kinds" is the key. It would be difficult to obtain the amount of creatine needed from our diet on a daily basis. It would require the consumption of 3 pounds of beef, 3 pounds of salmon, or 3 pounds of tuna

If you ate the beef, that is a lot of unhealthy fat as well. AtLarge's creatine monohydrate is a much simpler, healthier, cheaper method of obtaining the creatine you need.

"Creatine is not only an athletic supplement. Recent studies have indicated it may be a potent antioxidant."

Antioxidants are substances which protect other substances from the changes caused by oxidation. Antioxidants are thought to help keep the bodily damage caused by free radicals in check. Creatine has also been shown to increase the strength of patients with neuromuscular disease.

Creatine has also been proven to be safe, both in the short and long-term. Studies have shown that long-term creatine use does not impair renal (kidney) function in healthy adults who use it. It has been noted in the press that creatine can cause cramping. According to a study performed with division 1A football players by the University of Memphis, creatine does not lead to cramping. As noted above, creatine is the most studied sports supplement ever; there is a literal mountain of scientific studies which prove it safe and effective."

[Built]

so let me get this str8 lol.. creatine is like a steriod, but a good one?


No! Steroids are hormones.

[chris mason]

so let me get this str8 lol.. creatine is like a steriod, but a good one? Doesn't really hurt your body just helps you get enegry when u work out?


Creatine is NOTHING like a steroid!!!!!!!

I HATE that confusion that is so pervasive in our society!

[unj]

lol my parents have no clue i take any supplement after my dad threw away my whey which makes me laugh! hes a doctor and he thinks they might put like steroids into it to make u grow and keep buying it haha cracks me up! but yeah hiding it is best... i wish they put sterois in that **** btw lol

[ucla_climber]

PHD is not a doctor to me, sorry. The majority of PHD's probably don't even know CPR.

the actual etymology of the word doctor means teacher. it comes from the latin meaning to teach. in english the term doctor was applied first and foremost to learned men in the chuch (see an oxford dictionary). it wasn't until later that term started to be applied to medical practitioners as well. so the title of doctor being applied to holders of PhDs is older in tradition than the title being applied to holders of an MD.

Secondly most MDs do not conduct real research. That is primarily done by PhDs. The PhD is a research doctorate whereas a MD is a professional doctorate. A person can and normally does earn their MD degree without having contributed at all in any significant way to the knowledge of a particular area. They need to LEARN a lot of stuff but not create new knowledge. A PhD, however, cannot get their degree without conducting research and creating new knowledge.

Unfortunately shoddy research is often done and the results are bad.. ie: claiming that creatine will kill you etc. There is enough poor research happening to make many researchers upset. However to claim that PhDs do not do medical research (completely bogus) or that PhDs are not real doctors is also incorrect.

It seems to me from the literature that creatine for most people has no negative side affects but for a few it does.. as is true for any substance. It is up to the taker to make sure that they are using the substance correctly, and to monitor their reaction to it to ensure that they are not one of the few who might have a negative side affect.

[pbal17]

lol my parents have no clue i take any supplement after my dad threw away my whey which makes me laugh! hes a doctor and he thinks they might put like steroids into it to make u grow and keep buying it haha cracks me up! but yeah hiding it is best... i wish they put sterois in that **** btw lol

remind me never to go to your dad if i ever need any doctor'ing

[SpecialK]

the actual etymology of the word doctor means teacher. it comes from the latin meaning to teach. in english the term doctor was applied first and foremost to learned men in the chuch (see an oxford dictionary). it wasn't until later that term started to be applied to medical practitioners as well. so the title of doctor being applied to holders of PhDs is older in tradition than the title being applied to holders of an MD.

Secondly most MDs do not conduct real research. That is primarily done by PhDs. The PhD is a research doctorate whereas a MD is a professional doctorate. A person can and normally does earn their MD degree without having contributed at all in any significant way to the knowledge of a particular area. They need to LEARN a lot of stuff but not create new knowledge. A PhD, however, cannot get their degree without conducting research and creating new knowledge.

Unfortunately shoddy research is often done and the results are bad.. ie: claiming that creatine will kill you etc. There is enough poor research happening to make many researchers upset. However to claim that PhDs do not do medical research (completely bogus) or that PhDs are not real doctors is also incorrect.

It seems to me from the literature that creatine for most people has no negative side affects but for a few it does.. as is true for any substance. It is up to the taker to make sure that they are using the substance correctly, and to monitor their reaction to it to ensure that they are not one of the few who might have a negative side affect.

I think the debate here is doctor by education vs. doctor by profession. Both the PhD and MD are doctorate degrees, but if you go up to the average person on the street and say you are "a doctor", they will assume you mean "doctor of medicine" rather than a PhD in whatever field.

[mikey4402]

PHD is not a doctor to me, sorry. The majority of PHD's probably don't even know CPR.

you dont have to know CPR to have a PHD. And a doctor doesnt have to be medical doctor.

[jfitty]

Im doing an herbalst course at the moment and all the literature I have from my uni is for it, it does state side effects but thats only if used incorrectly or abused.... I guess it all depends on the lectures and their way of thinking.

[mikey4402]

Im doing an herbalst course at the moment and all the literature I have from my uni is for it, it does state side effects but thats only if used incorrectly or abused.... I guess it all depends on the lectures and their way of thinking.

do you mean side effects from injesting too much creatine? or indirect side effects from dehydration?

either way i would be interested in seeing such literature. do you have a link?

[Jinkies]

I really can't believe so many people are still so ignorant on creatine, in a recent magazine I read them using it to now ease the effects of parkinsons disease.

All this talk is gonna send me into the dreaded creatine rage




Edit: Sorry I guess I was ignorant, just read a informative article that led me to believe creatine is the leading reason for global warming and infact creatine led the dinosaurs to extinction.

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

Edit: Sorry I guess I was ignorant, just read a informative article that led me to believe creatine is the leading reason for global warming and infact creatine led the dinosaurs to extinction.That is indeed a great concern. ;)

[Talking_God]

I really can't believe so many people are still so ignorant on creatine, in a recent magazine I read them using it to now ease the effects of parkinsons disease.

All this talk is gonna send me into the dreaded creatine rage




Edit: Sorry I guess I was ignorant, just read a informative article that led me to believe creatine is the leading reason for global warming and infact creatine led the dinosaurs to extinction.


Wel duh Jinkies...I think it's pretty common knowledge that Creatine also goes by the name DinoBain. I thought this was pretty common stuff...:read:






:angel:

[deeder]

I stopped taking it all together. I don't think the benefits, which seem to be pretty small, are worth the money-regardless of how cheap it may be. Has anyone actually started taking it and said "oh **** man, this creatine is crazzzy, my lifts are going through the roof"! I never noticed any type of significant result from it to justify spending any money on it.

Probably not... But I have come off it and after about 2-3 weeks I start to notice my endurance in the gym has gone down. I just spend 40$ on 1000g of creatine mono. That's 200 servings of 5 grams. That's about a 6 month supply.

So at 20cents a day I'm sure it's worth the money :thumbup:

[PhilsterT]

I agree with HahnB. Creatine is no miracle drug. I do just as well without it.