The most optimal shake?

[beachmuscles]

I work at busy night club in South Beach, FL...I'm there most of the night and I'm lucky if I have time to take a piss. I just started recently...Usually I eat a solid meal before I go in (in the car) then to hold me over til I get out I have a shake.

Right now I'm doing:

1 scoop ON whey
1 scoop ON casien

with some almonds or walnuts on the side...I pretty much chug the shake and snack on the nuts whenever I get a spare second.

My question is...Is this the best shake for optimal growth/anabolic state? I need to state anabolic for atleast 3 hours, sometimes 4-4.5 hours until I can eat again...Is there anything that would be more suffient? Should I do 1 scoop Egg white protein with 1 scoop casein?

[Adam]

Your overcomplicating a simple task.

Your doing fine as is, having the big shake in the 4 hour span.
Relax and enjoy the sights going in;)

[beachmuscles]

Your overcomplicating a simple task.

Your doing fine as is, having the big shake in the 4 hour span.
Relax and enjoy the sights going in;)

Not really overcomplicating anything...If there is a more optimal shake I could have, why not have it? Money isn't much of an option when it comes to my body, and I'm looking to compete this year...I do relax, and enjoy it...Considering I make about $500 for a 5 hr shift there!

[Adam]

Okay, if you wanna get technical
How much do you weight and BF%
When do you workout in the day?
Is your goal just to promote muscle growth or just lean muscle gain or maintain muscle while cutting?
Whats your macro breakdown for the day?

[Unreal]

May want to add some carbs if you want to promote muscle growth.

[beachmuscles]

May want to add some carbs if you want to promote muscle growth.

This is my meal #5, I just do protein/fat for this meal.

[chris mason]

MAXIMUS would be a better shake for the purposes you have described.

A close second would be Opticen.

[beachmuscles]

MAXIMUS would be a better shake for the purposes you have described.

A close second would be Opticen.

I have Protein/Fat for this meal. How would 74g be better for my purposes? I just need a protein. Not a mix of random carbs/fats. If I want to add carbs I will just toss oats in there, and fats I just use natural pb. I'm trying to find the best mix of proteins to use for shake or companies...

[jdeity]

It seems as if you know exactly what you need to be honest. If you're just looking for a protein / fat mix, and you're currently using a whey/casein shake couple with almonds/nuts, that's pretty damn solid. If you wanna be sure it's still digesting (protein) while you're there, and you may be there for 5 hours or close to it, maybe switching in more casein instead of whey could help (although the casein and the nuts should be slowing the digestion of the whey anyways). Either way I think it'd be splitting hairs, sounds like it's already exactly where you want/need it to be.

[beachmuscles]

It seems as if you know exactly what you need to be honest. If you're just looking for a protein / fat mix, and you're currently using a whey/casein shake couple with almonds/nuts, that's pretty damn solid. If you wanna be sure it's still digesting (protein) while you're there, and you may be there for 5 hours or close to it, maybe switching in more casein instead of whey could help (although the casein and the nuts should be slowing the digestion of the whey anyways). Either way I think it'd be splitting hairs, sounds like it's already exactly where you want/need it to be.

Alright I guess I'll stick to a 50/50 whey/casien mix, with walnuts :) Not to mention ON Casein tastes awesome.

[chris mason]

I have Protein/Fat for this meal. How would 74g be better for my purposes? I just need a protein. Not a mix of random carbs/fats. If I want to add carbs I will just toss oats in there, and fats I just use natural pb. I'm trying to find the best mix of proteins to use for shake or companies...


Random???

Anyway, our protein blends are the best on the market. Each of them incorporate various fractions of whey, casein, and egg proteins.

You can keep asking and try something else, but you will be missing the boat.

[jdeity]

Random???

Anyway, our protein blends are the best on the market. Each of them incorporate various fractions of whey, casein, and egg proteins.

You can keep asking and try something else, but you will be missing the boat.

Missing what boat? Didn't you refer him to a product with carbs when he was looking for a fat/protein meal? I would agree though that an egg/casein/whey would be superior, the more sources the better!!

[chris mason]

Missing what boat? Didn't you refer him to a product with carbs when he was looking for a fat/protein meal? I would agree though that an egg/casein/whey would be superior, the more sources the better!!

His question:

"My question is...Is this the best shake for optimal growth/anabolic state? I need to state anabolic for atleast 3 hours, sometimes 4-4.5 hours until I can eat again...Is there anything that would be more suffient? Should I do 1 scoop Egg white protein with 1 scoop casein?"

My response:

"MAXIMUS would be a better shake for the purposes you have described.
A close second would be Opticen."


The OPTIMAL meal, as proven in the lab, to keep the body in an anabolic state is one which contains protein, carbs, and a small amount of fat. This meal taken in a liquid state is even better. Both of the products I mentioned will meet his needs very well.

'Nuff said...

[Leeman]

The best shake is one that tastes good, because you can have good results with just about any protein shake as long as it has alot of carbs protein and calories.

[Talking_God]

His question:

"My question is...Is this the best shake for optimal growth/anabolic state? I need to state anabolic for atleast 3 hours, sometimes 4-4.5 hours until I can eat again...Is there anything that would be more suffient? Should I do 1 scoop Egg white protein with 1 scoop casein?"

My response:

"MAXIMUS would be a better shake for the purposes you have described.
A close second would be Opticen."


The OPTIMAL meal, as proven in the lab, to keep the body in an anabolic state is one which contains protein, carbs, and a small amount of fat. This meal taken in a liquid state is even better. Both of the products I mentioned will meet his needs very well.

'Nuff said...

You're missing deity's point. OP stated this is a shake that he only wants proteins & fats, you recommended Maximus or Opticen, which contains quite a bit of carbs.

[Adam]

Chris was replying to his original question: Providing optimal conditions for muscle growth.
It was later stated that he only wants protein and fat for the shake. Little conflict in those statements.

Thats why I posted my questions.......that weren't answered, to find out specifically what he wanted.

[jdeity]

Chris was replying to his original question: Providing optimal conditions for muscle growth.
It was later stated that he only wants protein and fat for the shake. Little conflict in those statements.
It was stated that he wanted fat/protein only b4 chris recommended that, although I think one of the recommendations was a protein only powder anyways.


Thats why I posted my questions.......that weren't answered, to find out specifically what he wanted.

but he stated what he was looking for specifically, and it sounds to me like he doesn't need to rehash any of his stats, he seems pretty solid on what he's looking for (I actually don't understand what he was hoping to find in this thread, seems he knows what he needs and is currently doing it. Guess he may've just been making sure it was a good mix maybe).

[chris mason]

Perhaps what he is looking for is not optimal for him?

Perhaps I work with some of the best minds and athletes in the business on these matters and know a few things myself and thus my input might just be of value...

Perhaps...

[Paul Stagg]

I think Adam is trying to get to the why. Why just protein and fat? Why that mix of proteins?

In other words, questioning that the OP actually knows what he needs.

[jdeity]

Perhaps what he is looking for is not optimal for him?

Perhaps I work with some of the best minds and athletes in the business on these matters and know a few things myself and thus my input might just be of value...

Perhaps...

I wasn't trying to say you were wrong, just that he *seemed* like he knew exactly what he wanted / needed. Your assertations seemed to be based solely on what's best for anabolism, whereas he seemed concerned with anabolism PLUS had restrictions for what could be in it. Without knowing more of his stats I really don't see how anyone could say your recommendation or his current shake is better, but given teh way he talks of his shake, I'm banking that he's counting macros and has this pinned down properly.


I think Adam is trying to get to the why. Why just protein and fat? Why that mix of proteins?

In other words, questioning that the OP actually knows what he needs.

Totally get that, and am kinda curious too, but that's just because I like seeing what people do and how people here respond. To me, after his 3rd post, he sounded like he knew what he needed (which kinda negated a thread being generated, but oh well).


Whatevs!!!! I think he's got his shake, although if he'd like to share his daily macros/calories, current weight/bf%, and goals, I'd be curious!

[Talking_God]

Perhaps what he is looking for is not optimal for him?

Perhaps I work with some of the best minds and athletes in the business on these matters and know a few things myself and thus my input might just be of value...

Perhaps...

You also own the company of the products you recommended as more optimal, so even if there's a better product or mixture you're not likely to recommend it. Not trying to pick a fight or anything, I'm just saying. As far as the anabolism, I don't know what your lab tests look like, but if it's valid then that sounds like it would be optimal for him, except he said that he doesn't want a shake with carbs. If he gave you a breakdown of his meals and it proved that carbs were needed in that shake, then maybe you could definitely say that one of ALN's products would be the best for him at this point in time.

[beachmuscles]

I was basically just wondering if I should do Egg/Whey, Egg/Casien, Casien/Whey, etc...Or if it really made a huge difference.

And I'm getting so tired of hearing about Nitrean, almost every thread I read that has anything to do with protein...I hear you shamelessly plug your products.

But anyways maybe I should try some Nitrean? How much is it? And exactly how much of each protein is in there? Is it 33/33/33? Or 50/25/25? Do you have these #'s?

I may buy some of that to try...I probably won't have room in my kitchen since I have whey, casien, and egg white protein seperately, but I guess I can toss it in my room somewhere.

[beachmuscles]

You also own the company of the products you recommended as more optimal, so even if there's a better product or mixture you're not likely to recommend it. Not trying to pick a fight or anything, I'm just saying. As far as the anabolism, I don't know what your lab tests look like, but if it's valid then that sounds like it would be optimal for him, except he said that he doesn't want a shake with carbs. If he gave you a breakdown of his meals and it proved that carbs were needed in that shake, then maybe you could definitely say that one of ALN's products would be the best for him at this point in time.

Even then...I guarantee plain oats + whey + casien/egg, that you made yourself would still be better than the premade mix.

Carbs in Maximus:

Pure granulated complex carbohydrates (glucose polymers, maltodextrin)

Plain rolled outs mixed in the shake is far superior then maltodextrin. If the carbs we're more similar to a VPX complex, then it would be pretty good. And who the heck needs 62g of protein in a shake?

It seems like the products by AtLarge are ok at best. Of course Chris is going to agree they are the best, with his "non-biased" advice.

[jdeity]

Carbs in Maximus:

Pure granulated complex carbohydrates (glucose polymers, maltodextrin)

____________________________________________________________

It seems like the products by AtLarge are ok at best. Of course Chris is going to agree they are the best, with his "non-biased" advice.




Wait - maximus uses malto as carbs and calls it complex carbohydrates? NOOOOO!!!!! Please tell me that's not the truth!!! Please!

And atlarge has 1 thing (well, malto hurts that a TON in my eyes) going for them that not many supplement companies do - they only bring products out that are legit - I'd give 10000:1 odds that they'll never tote tribulus in their arsenal lol!! But their product line, as far as I was aware, was designed to be a simple/good tasting/decently priced line of the basics that we know work - multis, weight gainers, protein powders, creatine mono, and also their ETS (which I can personally vouch for working - too expensive for me to want to use regularly, but I gave it a chance and it did work).

[beachmuscles]

I don't know if somethings main source is malto I put it the same category as the lame Met-rx meal replacements.

[mikey4402]

I was basically just wondering if I should do Egg/Whey, Egg/Casien, Casien/Whey, etc...Or if it really made a huge difference.

And I'm getting so tired of hearing about Nitrean, almost every thread I read that has anything to do with protein...I hear you shamelessly plug your products.

But anyways maybe I should try some Nitrean? How much is it? And exactly how much of each protein is in there? Is it 33/33/33? Or 50/25/25? Do you have these #'s?

I may buy some of that to try...I probably won't have room in my kitchen since I have whey, casien, and egg white protein seperately, but I guess I can toss it in my room somewhere. Just stick with the whey/casien.

i see no point in going out and buying a blend, when you have everything seprate in your kitchen. There isnt an advantage to a preblend product compared to what you are currently doing.

Nitrean isnt far superior to everything out there. It tastes good and is a decent product. Although around here you would think Nitrean is the 2nd comming of jesus.

[imbroglio]

I think this is the best health forum on the net. I love the fact that people have journals on here that have been going for years. These forums are a reflection of the owners - Atlarge Nutrition. Its also a reflection of the quality of their products. So show some respect. There is nothing wrong with bringing up their products during discussions of supplements. Its good stuff.

[beachmuscles]

Just stick with the whey/casien.

i see no point in going out and buying a blend, when you have everything seprate in your kitchen. There isnt an advantage to a preblend product compared to what you are currently doing.

Nitrean isnt far superior to everything out there. It tastes good and is a decent product. Although around here you would think Nitrean is the 2nd comming of jesus.

Alright, ya I was just checking if there was any new good things going in the protein supplement world :) I'll stick to whey/casien :)

Ya, I figured Nitrean would be pulled off the shelves by now, since it's so good, maybe it even has a little DECA in the blend (that would be sweet)

Anyways, thanks for all the help everyone. No more reason to post in this thread, I don't want to piss Chris off, or anyone else.

Thanks again.

/thread over

[jdeity]

that's not really a fair comparison. A metrx meal packet doesn't, as far as I'm aware, claim complex carbs. If I remember they actually have a good protein blend, vitamins/minerals, etc, they were solid mrp's - I dunno what their deal is though, because they started pricing their 20ct boxes at like $45, and nobody was buying them anymore.

But, working in the supplement industry, I'll never forget the day when I learned that maltodextrin wasn't the 'complex carb' I thought it was, and that calling it a complex carb is a marketing ploy to beef up the carbs with cheap maltodextrin (here's my general recollection of how they can do it - malto still gives an almost equivalent blood sugar spike / GI level that pure dextrose sugar would, but it's two dextrose combined, so because of that it can't be called a simple carbohydrate. Because there's no middle ground, it can be put into the 'complex carbohydrate' category, and then people push it in weight gainers. The customer thinks 'ooh, complex carbs, good, because the other one I looked at was just full of sugar', and has no idea that it's the same thing (although malto's easier to get down, much less sweetness than dextrose).

Maybe chris will chime in with what % malto is of the carbs in there. I wouldn't have assumed they'd use any malto (unless it was a postworkout product - I'm gonna need to check the atlarge info on it)..



Nitrean isnt far superior to everything out there. It tastes good and is a decent product. Although around here you would think Nitrean is the 2nd comming of jesus.

quoted for truth

I think this is the best health forum on the net. I love the fact that people have journals on here that have been going for years. These forums are a reflection of the owners - Atlarge Nutrition. Its also a reflection of the quality of their products. So show some respect. There is nothing wrong with bringing up their products during discussions of supplements. Its good stuff.
Yes, you have found what is quite likely the best site on the web for general bodybuilding.

But, dude you have 2 posts, don't come in here and start telling people what to do.


Anyways, thanks for all the help everyone. No more reason to post in this thread, I don't want to piss Chris off, or anyone else.

Thanks again.

/thread over

Dude, thread has already covered your questions and moved on to discussing atlarge products, thread isn't over til a mod closes it.

And chris won't be pissed off lol, that guy comes here and will explain every detail of his products, just look at all the **** that was thrown his way in the new product survey recently, he still will gladly explain exactly what his products and his company are all about. That's the kind of the 'honor' that sets them apart imo.

[beachmuscles]

Ya exactly...The thread was about an optimal mix, not about AtLarge products. It went off topic. I got my answer...Why keep posting?

[Adam]

The thread side tracked, so what?

If people still want to add to it, go for it. A lot of threads will cover the initial topic then side track, sometimes 2 or more times.

[jdeity]

Ya exactly...The thread was about an optimal mix, not about AtLarge products. It went off topic. I got my answer...Why keep posting?

I see all the reason in the world for YOU to stop posting. I guess I'm very against stifling civilized discourse, there's still unanswered questions (though not yours) in here, for someone to want to close it just doesn't feel right with me. You're free to leave tho!

The thread side tracked, so what?

If people still want to add to it, go for it. A lot of threads will cover the initial topic then side track, sometimes 2 or more times.

Exactly! I need to go check the maximus ingredients because I'm very interested if at large is calling malto a complex carb - and if they are, how much is in there, why they do that, etc. I'll be checking it out soon, I just pop in to the PC on breaks from working (oh yeah, gotta love working at your residence!) to cool off and sip some gatorade. Rain's coming in a couple hours, I'll check it out then

[Talking_God]

I checked the ingredients..this is quoted from the other ingredients portion of the nutrition label

" Pure granulated complex carbohydrates (glucose polymers, maltodextrin), "

[chris mason]

I was basically just wondering if I should do Egg/Whey, Egg/Casien, Casien/Whey, etc...Or if it really made a huge difference.

And I'm getting so tired of hearing about Nitrean, almost every thread I read that has anything to do with protein...I hear you shamelessly plug your products.

But anyways maybe I should try some Nitrean? How much is it? And exactly how much of each protein is in there? Is it 33/33/33? Or 50/25/25? Do you have these #'s?

I may buy some of that to try...I probably won't have room in my kitchen since I have whey, casien, and egg white protein seperately, but I guess I can toss it in my room somewhere.


The shake you are currently using, the mix of ON whey and casein, is just fine for the purposes you have outlined. If you want an optimal shake to remain in an anabolic state you need to add carbs and a small amount of fats to the mix.

Is that better? :nod:

Oh, and Opticen is a ready-made product which does just that.

[chris mason]

I checked the ingredients..this is quoted from the other ingredients portion of the nutrition label

" Pure granulated complex carbohydrates (glucose polymers, maltodextrin), "

Spelled out pretty well, eh?

[chris mason]

Just stick with the whey/casien.

i see no point in going out and buying a blend, when you have everything seprate in your kitchen. There isnt an advantage to a preblend product compared to what you are currently doing.

Nitrean isnt far superior to everything out there. It tastes good and is a decent product. Although around here you would think Nitrean is the 2nd comming of jesus.

Yes, there is an advantage:

1) Ease of use. It is pre-made and ready for you to use. It tastes good and mixes well. A home-brew may not meet that criteria.

2) A specific formula and mixture. Sure, you can replicate it, but why hassle? Oh, and if you want to replicate it go to Trueprotein.com and have them blend you something.

Anyway, I agree, our product is excellent and there are other excellent products on the market.

[jdeity]

Yes, there is an advantage:

1) Ease of use. It is pre-made and ready for you to use. It tastes good and mixes well. A home-brew may not meet that criteria.

2) A specific formula and mixture. Sure, you can replicate it, but why hassle? Oh, and if you want to replicate it go to Trueprotein.com and have them blend you something.

Anyway, I agree, our product is excellent and there are other excellent products on the market.

1) Totally agree with you on that, but only for the majority (which is what you'd care about anyways). I'm the kind of person who always prefers home brews. Weightgainers, proteins, pre/post workout stuff, stimulant mixes, etc etc. I just like the control of mixing everything my way - but my sense of taste is pathetic, so I'm not gonna pretend my stuff tastes great or anything (it doesn't taste bad, but it isn't muscle milk, for example!).



Chris, regarding maximus, I will say off the bat that it seems a solid weightgainer. I like the protein/carb ratio (some products have damn near a 10:1 carb:protein ratios). I like that it has microlactin, and actually has it in a real dose - the same dose as your ETS product (which I've used and liked). That is cool, given how so many companies add an ingredient for label's sake, I like seeing you put a full dose in there.

Now, that being said, it seems the product is being promoted in 2 ways that don't quite seem in harmony with your company's rep. "Explosive Growth"... I never thought I'd see that listed on an atlarge product. And, more important in my eyes, is the listing of those carbs as complex, giving the impression that they're much different than sugar. This is a well known (hmm, maybe well known isn't the expression, but you get the point) trick that companies will do to fill up their weightgainers with cheap filler, but allows them to do it with something that looks like it's better than sugar - which malto isn't. I do see some redemption for that, and that's the fact that there is a ton of fiber in there (and the other things like inulin and the gums - do those count in a fiber count? I do know they will slow absorbtion though), but still can't help disliking a product that says complex carbs when, in reality, your body isn't getting complex carbs, it's getting simple sugars. (perhaps I'm missing something, so hopefully you'll explain it - otherwise the product looks solid, you've got good fats in there, the microlactin, good carb/fat/protein ratios, etc)

[HahnB]

"Explosive Growth"... I never thought I'd see that listed on an atlarge product.

At the end of the day they are a business. You can't blame them for trying to make a buck.

[Talking_God]

At the end of the day they are a business. You can't blame them for trying to make a buck.

Exactly. That's the same reason that they list maltodextrin as a complex carb, because I believe it's two bonded dextrose molecules (my memory may be off, but I believe that's what I read) and since there's no real middle ground, it can be truthfully listed as a complex carb instead of a simple carb. (That comment was geared more towards Deity since he was so surprised seeing malto in the ingredients list).

Chris, I'm not sure what you meant by your comment..I merely posted that because Diety was asking about the malto thing and said he'd check the ingredients later, so I just posted them up for him to see.

[jdeity]

At the end of the day they are a business. You can't blame them for trying to make a buck.

I don't blame them for trying to make a buck, I'll be the first to admit that if I owned a supplement company, I'd be in it solely for profits and would emulate muscletech, not atlarge. I just always regarded them as straightforward, no-bull****, no hype, etc, and it seems that they're swaying from that. Again, it's not that I disagree with that, or that I wouldn't be doing it much worse than they are, I was just noting it.

[jdeity]

Exactly. That's the same reason that they list maltodextrin as a complex carb, because I believe it's two bonded dextrose molecules (my memory may be off, but I believe that's what I read) and since there's no real middle ground, it can be truthfully listed as a complex carb instead of a simple carb. (That comment was geared more towards Deity since he was so surprised seeing malto in the ingredients list).

Chris, I'm not sure what you meant by your comment..I merely posted that because Diety was asking about the malto thing and said he'd check the ingredients later, so I just posted them up for him to see.

Yeah my memory on the specifics of malto are off a lil, but that's how I remember it - just two dextrose together. So, when you drink 100g of carbs, whether it's malto or whether it's dextrose, the only real difference is how sweet it is. The blood sugar spike should be almost identical. "Complex carbs" typically denote the opposite - slowly digested carbohydrates like whole grain oats, etc, which is a positive in a weightgainer. As a supplement manufacturer (or advertiser), you can have the best of both worlds by using malto - it's cheap like dextrose, yet you can now call your carbs 'complex', even though in reality it may as well just be sugar.
I'm not against malto, hell, I've purchased raw malto many times for my home made shakes. Malto is nice because it gives me what I want from dextrose, yet I don't have to have the ridiculously sweet taste dextrose gives. If you're making / advertising a product with malto, the benefit of malto should be that it's not as sweet, not that it just happens to technically/semantically fit into the 'complex carbs' category - doing so is misleading to the majority of customers who don't understand the situation. I went quite a while using a weight gainer I thought was great because it had almost zero sugar, and the carbs were all 'complex carbs'. I was extremely pissed and felt lied to when I learned that, for all intents and purposes in a bodybuilding context, malto=dextrose.

[chris mason]

Exactly. That's the same reason that they list maltodextrin as a complex carb, because I believe it's two bonded dextrose molecules (my memory may be off, but I believe that's what I read) and since there's no real middle ground, it can be truthfully listed as a complex carb instead of a simple carb. (That comment was geared more towards Deity since he was so surprised seeing malto in the ingredients list).

Chris, I'm not sure what you meant by your comment..I merely posted that because Diety was asking about the malto thing and said he'd check the ingredients later, so I just posted them up for him to see.

Nothing negative, I was just pointing out there is no attempt to hide what it is. It is spelled out clearly.

[chris mason]

I don't blame them for trying to make a buck, I'll be the first to admit that if I owned a supplement company, I'd be in it solely for profits and would emulate muscletech, not atlarge. I just always regarded them as straightforward, no-bull****, no hype, etc, and it seems that they're swaying from that. Again, it's not that I disagree with that, or that I wouldn't be doing it much worse than they are, I was just noting it.

I think this would be a case of you can't please everyone all of the time. The product is quite effective and with the proper circumstances can promote explosive stength and growth. For example, Twan has been using the product and has increased his bench over 30 lbs in just a couple of weeks of its use. If that isn't "explosive" I don't know what is.

Advertising has to mention the best of your product in all respects. We do that. We don't like or make bogus claims. We only sell what works.

Chris

[mikey4402]

The product is quite effective and with the proper circumstances can promote explosive stength and growth. For example, Twan has been using the product and has increased his bench over 30 lbs in just a couple of weeks of its use. If that isn't "explosive" I don't know what is.

Advertising has to mention the best of your product in all respects. We do that. We don't like or make bogus claims. We only sell what works.

Chris

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In one groundbreaking clinical study at McMaster University, weight-training subjects in an 8-week study had the following astounding strength gains: 32 pounds on their max bench...-muscletech

[lonesXedge]

I was basically just wondering if I should do Egg/Whey, Egg/Casien, Casien/Whey, etc...Or if it really made a huge difference.

And I'm getting so tired of hearing about Nitrean, almost every thread I read that has anything to do with protein...I hear you shamelessly plug your products.

But anyways maybe I should try some Nitrean? How much is it? And exactly how much of each protein is in there? Is it 33/33/33? Or 50/25/25? Do you have these #'s?

I may buy some of that to try...I probably won't have room in my kitchen since I have whey, casien, and egg white protein seperately, but I guess I can toss it in my room somewhere.


WBB and atlarge work clsoe together, even sponsor each other, why would you post on this forum if you're tired of hearing about nitrean? if you would try any atlarge products, i think you'd agree they are the best on the market.

[jdeity]

I think this would be a case of you can't please everyone all of the time.
Agreed, absolutely.


The product is quite effective and with the proper circumstances can promote explosive stength and growth.
I'd beg to differ. I know 'explosive strength and growth' is a subjective term, and don't want to have a semantical battle, but we all know that the only thing that we can all agree promotes 'explosive strength and growth' isn't going to be legal.


For example, Twan has been using the product and has increased his bench over 30 lbs in just a couple of weeks of its use. If that isn't "explosive" I don't know what is.
Dunno who twan is, and 1 anecdotal report is incredibly insufficient for making claims like that. If the average user added 30lbs to their bench in 2 weeks, yeah, I'd agree with you. But we all know, short of test, that isn't gonna happen (unless you're talking noobs who've never benched - but if that's the case, then even w/o supplements you can show them how to add 30lbs to their bench just by teaching them the mechanics of the lift).



Advertising has to mention the best of your product in all respects. We do that. We don't like or make bogus claims. We only sell what works.
Chris
I agree that you only sell what works (and as we all know, that's what sets you guys apart from a lot of other companies, hell, most other companies). However, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on bogus claims, as I don't see how the terms you used are fair terms to use for a weightgainer powder. Those terms more accurately describe steroids, not weightgainer.

[jdeity]

WBB and atlarge work clsoe together, even sponsor each other, why would you post on this forum if you're tired of hearing about nitrean? if you would try any atlarge products, i think you'd agree they are the best on the market.
I've gotta disagree with you on both of your points (damn, I'm sure I'm getting lots of hatred in this thread).

This forum is awesome, so regardless of how sick someone is of hearing about nitrean every other post in the supplement section, why should they leave? Much better to hear about nitrean and tune it out if you don't like it, and continue to enjoy the advice of the vast, knowledgable community we have here, than to say 'sick of hearing about nitrean, maybe I'll try bodybuilding.com for my needs'.

And I wouldn't say that atlarge's products are the best on the market (and yes, I have personally used them). They're great, they're innovative (at least mildly, microlactin is a big thing with them and it works, and I love that they use full strength microlactin in maximus, as opposed to just listing it as an ingredient and including 0.0001mg of it). But calling a protein better than any on the market is shortsighted. Some proteins are just better for certain people. Atlarge doesn't have that big of an inventory, and some companies offer products that are better suited for particular individuals. For instance, their weight gainer seems awesome, but the macros may not match someone's needs, and therefore there would likely be a better product out there that would be better for them than maximus.

[lonesXedge]

I've gotta disagree with you on both of your points (damn, I'm sure I'm getting lots of hatred in this thread).

This forum is awesome, so regardless of how sick someone is of hearing about nitrean every other post in the supplement section, why should they leave? Much better to hear about nitrean and tune it out if you don't like it, and continue to enjoy the advice of the vast, knowledgable community we have here, than to say 'sick of hearing about nitrean, maybe I'll try bodybuilding.com for my needs'.

And I wouldn't say that atlarge's products are the best on the market (and yes, I have personally used them). They're great, they're innovative (at least mildly, microlactin is a big thing with them and it works, and I love that they use full strength microlactin in maximus, as opposed to just listing it as an ingredient and including 0.0001mg of it). But calling a protein better than any on the market is shortsighted. Some proteins are just better for certain people. Atlarge doesn't have that big of an inventory, and some companies offer products that are better suited for particular individuals. For instance, their weight gainer seems awesome, but the macros may not match someone's needs, and therefore there would likely be a better product out there that would be better for them than maximus.

i can agree with this. you bring up some good points. i'll change my statement "if you're tired of hearing about at large, leave" to "if you're tired of hearing about atlarge, leave, or disregard it." and i agree with you they might not be the best for EVERYONE, and i also agree that microlactin is great.

[chris mason]

WBB and atlarge work clsoe together, even sponsor each other, why would you post on this forum if you're tired of hearing about nitrean? if you would try any atlarge products, i think you'd agree they are the best on the market.


Thank you!:strong:

[DoUgL@S]

Yeah my memory on the specifics of malto are off a lil, but that's how I remember it - just two dextrose together. So, when you drink 100g of carbs, whether it's malto or whether it's dextrose, the only real difference is how sweet it is. The blood sugar spike should be almost identical. "Complex carbs" typically denote the opposite - slowly digested carbohydrates like whole grain oats, etc, which is a positive in a weightgainer.

Complex carbs are sugar polymers, that's it. Pasta, rice, bread, table sugar, etc. all fall into that category. Simple sugars are things like dextrose (glucose) and fructose.

If you want slow digesting carbs i.e oats, you can always add fiber to your dextrose. ;)

[jdeity]

Complex carbs are sugar polymers, that's it. Pasta, rice, bread, table sugar, etc. all fall into that category. Simple sugars are things like dextrose (glucose) and fructose.
Definitely, I was just illustrating that although something can be, technically, called a complex carb (maltodextrin, for example) it can still have the same properties in the body (glycemic index/blood sugar spike) as pure dextrose sugar.


If you want slow digesting carbs i.e oats, you can always add fiber to your dextrose. ;)

Oh yeah! That's what I do, I use a coffee grinder to make my psyllium husk even finer than the way it comes, and mix it into my regular weightgainer buckets (but not post workout buckets!).

[JessWabbit]

I like mixing in oatmeal with my shakes for nutritional value.

[Rodzilla]

have you ever seen the "amazing protein bar" thread? I swear by these bars. If you have time to snack on some nuts, then i guarantee you can cut these bars up to bite size peices and chuck them in a small zip lock.

Check it out, i hope it helps. They are Very easy to make.

[jdeity]

if you're referring to the chocolate peanut butter bars with oats, those things rule!!! That may be one of the longest runs I had with a food during a bulk before getting tired of it!