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cujo1
09-13-2007, 07:45 PM
If i keep my calories the same on everyday but just modify the ratios so on lifting days i have more carbs and less fat and on non lifting days less carbs more fat. But my calories are the same through the week like they do not increase on workout days. Also do you even need starchy carbs before working out does it make a huggggge difference? Oh yea last question why cant we completely eliminate carbs except for those which are present in other foods.But not directly consume any carbs at all????

Thanks

Built
09-13-2007, 07:51 PM
1) Then why bother?
2) Depends on your body and how you train
3) ???

Do you understand why anybody carb cycles cujo1?

Holto
09-13-2007, 07:52 PM
Oh yea last question why cant we completely eliminate carbs except for those which are present in other foods.But not directly consume any carbs at all????

You could, but can you function. I personally can't. I wanted to step into traffic.

The good thing for me is that I can eat 50%+ carbs and not be hungry as long as I eat clean.

cujo1
09-13-2007, 08:37 PM
built is it because the calorie allowance increases thus your allowed more food? Also most people find carbs to be more beneficial before working out.

Built
09-14-2007, 09:07 AM
built is it because the calorie allowance increases thus your allowed more food? Also most people find carbs to be more beneficial before working out.

I train better on carbs, to be sure - but what do you mean about the calorie allowance increases?

cujo1
09-14-2007, 11:01 AM
i think of it like this. Suppose someone is cutting at 1850. On lifting days they may get to increase their cals by roughly 10% which must be satisfying to some even though on non lifting days the cals must be decreased in order to compensate for the increase on lifting days and thus bringing the average number of cals to 1850 or 12950 cals a week. Correct.

Built
09-14-2007, 11:44 AM
That's how I do it. I get hungrier on higher carbs so I eat more calories those days. Low carb I'm not as hungry, so I leave cals lower.

Right now, these are my approximate targets:

LBM = 115 lbs.

Average daily macros:
159g of protein,
74g of fat, and
114g of carbohydrate,
1,760 calories in total.

(4) Lifting/HIIT days:
167g of protein,
69g of fat, and
146g of carbohydrate,
1,873 calories in total.

(3) Rest/SS Cardio days:
150g of protein,
81g of fat, and
72g of carbohydrate,
1,609 calories in total.

cujo1
09-14-2007, 11:57 AM
yup yup. Thats what i meant. Thanks built. But see how youve increased the cals on your lifting days and decreased on rest days suppose i keep cals the same and just modify the ratios. Would this work?

Built
09-14-2007, 10:19 PM
If you're going to keep the calories the same every day, why bother?

What do you mean "will it work"? What are you expecting it to "do"?

cujo1
09-14-2007, 10:21 PM
cut weight

Built
09-14-2007, 10:23 PM
Cutting means you live on lower calories than you need. It has nothing to do with carb cycling.

Why are you bothering to carb cycle if your calories are the same every day?

theravingphycho
09-15-2007, 04:53 AM
Yes that is carb cycling to a extent

Carb cycling means upping your carbs and lowering them. Other macros stay the same such as protein and fat.

Its a approach John Berardi uses from what ive read out of his articles

RedSpikeyThing
09-15-2007, 09:03 AM
Its a approach John Berardi uses from what ive read out of his articles
No, he raises and lowers calories too. I like his approach, though: throw in an extra Gatorade or two on lifting days.

theravingphycho
09-15-2007, 10:46 AM
Dont remember seeing that red, il have to have another look. Last time i read his articles he had the same cals on WO days and non WO days but dropped carbs on non WO days in favour of a higher fat content to make up the cals

Will investigate, thanks mate :)

RedSpikeyThing
09-15-2007, 11:03 AM
Dont remember seeing that red, il have to have another look. Last time i read his articles he had the same cals on WO days and non WO days but dropped carbs on non WO days in favour of a higher fat content to make up the cals

Will investigate, thanks mate :)

I took that from his book "Scrawny to Brawny", so you may not find it online.

theravingphycho
09-15-2007, 11:13 AM
im pretty sure i have a copy of that somewhere, must go digging :)

cujo1
09-15-2007, 12:06 PM
Dont remember seeing that red, il have to have another look. Last time i read his articles he had the same cals on WO days and non WO days but dropped carbs on non WO days in favour of a higher fat content to make up the cals


precisely thats what im thinking of doing.

Built
09-15-2007, 12:20 PM
For what purpose?

cujo1
09-15-2007, 02:35 PM
well built on carb up days i cant meet my cals sometimes to high.Thats why

Built
09-15-2007, 06:07 PM
Then don't carb cycle. It's just to help manage hunger on a cut. It's not magic.