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redFury
10-09-2007, 01:47 PM
What's a more impressive in the realm of competitive powerlifting: a 550lb Deadlift in the 148 class or a 700 in the 275 class? Discuss...

Edit: a 550@148 would be top 10 in PLUSA, while a 700@275 would be top 40 in PLUSA (I think) if rankings affect anyones opinion.


I think that 700 might be slightly more impressive simply because many of the 275s have longer limbs so their bar path is way longer (and leverages are worse). Plus of course the idea of having to hold 700 pounds vs 550 is crazy.

drew
10-09-2007, 01:52 PM
Bigger weights are always more impressive.

Bohizzle
10-09-2007, 01:58 PM
i put 700.. that's a lot of weight lol. I think at some point in my training career I'll be able to pull 550 (obviously heavier than 148), but never in my wildest dreams do I think I'll ever pull 700.

deeder
10-09-2007, 02:10 PM
I voted for 550 at 148lbs. Obviously a 700lb deadlift is awesome to watch. But we're talking 3.7 times body weight vs. 2.5 times bodyweight. When I think of it that way I'd say the 550lb deadlift at 148 is MUCH more impressive.

TommyBoy
10-09-2007, 02:28 PM
700. I agree that 3+ times bodyweight is impressive, but I'd much rather see someone rip the heavier weight off the floor. I wish everyone was a SHW so we wouldn't have comparisons like this.

deeder
10-09-2007, 02:57 PM
700. I agree that 3+ times bodyweight is impressive, but I'd much rather see someone rip the heavier weight off the floor. I wish everyone was a SHW so we wouldn't have comparisons like this.

That's what WILKS and other similar coefficients are for :cool:

Chris Rodgers
10-09-2007, 03:19 PM
Of coursen the 550@148 is more impressive...and I'm not just saying that because I am a skinny bastard. :P

My best meet lift is 515@148.

Get Strong
10-09-2007, 03:31 PM
550@148 = more impressive

for you guys who just like to see someone lift a lot of weight
check this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPsum8g0gTY

Guido
10-09-2007, 03:34 PM
I'd have to say the 550 @ 148 is more impressive. The PLUSA ranking is a good guide. Both are very impressive, nonetheless.

Ockhams_Razor
10-09-2007, 04:06 PM
definately gotta go with 550 @ 148

Detard
10-09-2007, 05:31 PM
The 550@148 is more impressive, but i'd rather watch a 700@275

Stumprrp
10-09-2007, 05:41 PM
bigger weights!

RhodeHouse
10-09-2007, 06:29 PM
People go to the circus to see the elephants, not the mice.

vdizenzo
10-10-2007, 05:35 AM
What woman pulled 550@148?

Alex.V
10-10-2007, 05:45 AM
People go to the circus to see the elephants, not the mice.

Agreed.

What's the more impressive lift, as far as spectacle goes? 700. No question.


Not just saying that because I can do it. ;)


What's the more impressive lift, as far as the ATHLETE goes? 550.

redFury
10-10-2007, 08:38 AM
People go to the circus to see the elephants, not the mice.

That's true... but keep in mind that the 148 would be considered best deadlifter among the two in this case, garnishing the extra hardware during the awards ceremony.

Rusty
10-10-2007, 08:52 AM
How about half a ton?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ETi-0DSzZE

If they were both deadlifting at the same time beside each other, I'd be watching the 700lb lift.

Guido
10-10-2007, 09:52 AM
What woman pulled 550@148?Priscilla Ribic has done it.

daved931
10-10-2007, 10:20 AM
550 at 148. That's 3.7 times the lifter's bodyweight. A 700 at 275 is "only" 2.5 times the lifter's bodyweight. Power to weight baby!

RhodeHouse
10-10-2007, 10:47 AM
550 at 148. That's 3.7 times the lifter's bodyweight. A 700 at 275 is "only" 2.5 times the lifter's bodyweight. Power to weight baby!


That's something small weak people say. It's kinda like the "beauty is only skin deep" crap. That's something that ugly people say.

If you lift to just win trophies, IMO, you've missed the point of powerlifting.

TommyBoy
10-10-2007, 10:58 AM
If you lift to just win trophies, IMO, you've missed the point of powerlifting.This is exactly what I've been talking about.

Organichu
10-10-2007, 11:21 AM
Using myself as a starting point,

520@180

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550@148 = +30@-32
700@275 = +180@+95

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So what marks 'impressiveness'? How commonly it's achieved? How amazing it is to view? I think I could do 550@148 with a few years of work. I might go for years and years- a lifetime, maybe- and never hit 700.

redFury
10-10-2007, 11:29 AM
If you lift to just win trophies, IMO, you've missed the point of powerlifting.

I totally agree... my comment was more to show the favoritism among the pling community for the 550 over the 700. Using coefficients, the federations in general would pick the 550. Why else would they give an award if not to show favoritism? Just an interesting thought... and nothing more ;).

TommyBoy
10-10-2007, 11:35 AM
I totally agree... my comment was more to show the favoritism among the pling community for the 550 over the 700. Using coefficients, the federations in general would pick the 550. Why else would they give an award if not to show favoritism? Just an interesting thought... and nothing more ;).
That is the federations....not the lifters. By saying the powerlifting community, you are assuming that the lifters agree.

redFury
10-10-2007, 11:41 AM
That is the federations....not the lifters. By saying the powerlifting community, you are assuming that the lifters agree.

That's not what I meant at all.... of course I just meant the feds. If the lifters do not agree, this should be changed. Gosh guys, give me the benefit of the doubt here! :)

Sumorai
10-10-2007, 11:59 AM
If I my lend my humble newbie opinion to this thread:

I think they are both equally impressive. I cannot choose because as I see it, it seems like there are simply too different of goals, but each equally admirable. One person wants to be as strong as he/she is for their body weight, and another wants to lift as much weight as possible. I do not know exactly how all of the federations work, but I do think there should be one set of awards measuring relative strength with coefficients, and another set measuring pure strength.

jtteg_x
10-11-2007, 12:09 AM
i voted for the 700lb lift. powerlifting is all about that special number.
when you hit records, people refer to you as what you lifted or will lift on stage.

vdizenzo
10-11-2007, 05:23 AM
Priscilla Ribic has done it.

Nobody got my sarcasm. There should be no such thing as a men's 148!

Guido
10-11-2007, 09:02 AM
Nobody got my sarcasm. There should be no such thing as a men's 148!Hey! Midgets need a class, too! :)

Ryano
10-11-2007, 09:34 AM
700 at any weightclass. It's POWERLIFTING. The more weight on the bar, the better.

Lones Green
10-11-2007, 09:34 AM
Nobody got my sarcasm. There should be no such thing as a men's 148!

haha i agree with this vinnie. also, the commentated pic of you on elitefts is great.

Stumprrp
10-11-2007, 09:42 AM
dont copy my sig lones! :P

more weight the better, end of story, not saying 550 @ 148 isnt impressive though.

Lones Green
10-11-2007, 09:52 AM
dont copy my sig lones! :P

more weight the better, end of story, not saying 550 @ 148 isnt impressive though.

hahaha. i must say, i did model mine after yours.

RhodeHouse
10-11-2007, 10:23 AM
Lones - If I haven't told you that ou're in my cult - you're in. I appreciate the glass of hot fat quote. Good times

Lones Green
10-11-2007, 10:54 AM
Lones - If I haven't told you that ou're in my cult - you're in. I appreciate the glass of hot fat quote. Good times

haha thanks dude. just joined the 300 club not too long ago. now i'm attempting to get out of it, gonna try for 242 by dec. 1st, and get a state record squat.

Max Thunder
10-11-2007, 02:17 PM
550@148 is probably rarer because that's a very light weight, very few people are that light. What's the average non-fat male weight, 165? And that's for people that don't carry much muscle mass. At my height (6') and frame I'd be dead before reaching that weight, I'd be even smaller than Christian Bale in El Maquinista. The competition is going to be a lot weaker at that weight imo.

275 is quite heavy, and at that kind of weight, the strength/mass ratio kinda loses its significance. But deadlifts seem to be an exercise in which size doesn't matter that much, so 700 pounds is 700 pounds.

So both are impressives and equal accomplishments imho.

MPB
10-11-2007, 03:04 PM
A lot of short people have really hard time even getting to 148~165. While maintaining an ideal bodyfat %, it takes years of traininig to get there.

My opinion, both are equally impressive.

TommyBoy
10-11-2007, 03:15 PM
i voted for the 700lb lift. powerlifting is all about that special number.
when you hit records, people refer to you as what you lifted or will lift on stage.F'n right!

Nobody got my sarcasm. There should be no such thing as a men's 148!Exactly. My right leg weighs 148.

Hey! Midgets need a class, too! :)My training partner is a midget, and he's gonna go for the 275's in 3 weeks.

700 at any weightclass. It's POWERLIFTING. The more weight on the bar, the better.Good call.

Lones - If I haven't told you that ou're in my cult - you're in. I appreciate the glass of hot fat quote. Good times
Fat FTW.

haha thanks dude. just joined the 300 club not too long ago. now i'm attempting to get out of it, gonna try for 242 by dec. 1st, and get a state record squat.I just lost a bit of respect for you lones. The only way to keep my respect, is to drop 58lbs overnight, then gain it back in 24 hours and lift on the platform @ 300.

275 is quite heavyWhat? 275 is light. If I cut down to 275, my chin would have a 6 pack.

Guido
10-11-2007, 03:56 PM
Damn, Tommy. You must really think I'm small!

TommyBoy
10-11-2007, 05:46 PM
Damn, Tommy. You must really think I'm small!You're f*****g tiny dude.

Chubrock
10-11-2007, 05:51 PM
Ya'll big ****ers don't eat me alright?

TommyBoy
10-11-2007, 05:55 PM
Ya'll big ****ers don't eat me alright?
If you cross the border....I can't promise anything.

Chubrock
10-11-2007, 05:58 PM
If you cross the border....I can't promise anything.

I never give up without a fight, so fully expect to be choked TFO before you can eat more than a leg or so.

TommyBoy
10-11-2007, 06:00 PM
I never give up without a fight, so fully expect to be choked TFO before you can eat more than a leg or so.
Generally, when I eat small animals, I get them in a tight sleeper hold; then I begin to knaw on the back of the neck until amble blood loss occurs. By the time I need a break from eating, there is no pulse. So yeah, I've got a system for these things.

redFury
10-11-2007, 06:04 PM
What? 275 is light. If I cut down to 275, my chin would have a 6 pack.

Haha... niiiice.

Stumprrp
10-11-2007, 06:18 PM
im the only one tommy is afraid of.

TommyBoy
10-11-2007, 06:23 PM
im the only one tommy is afraid of.You think that I'm affraid of you? You're dreaming.

Guido
10-12-2007, 01:29 PM
im the only one tommy is afraid of.I'm thinking you'd be considered small prey to Tommy, as well.

TommyBoy
10-12-2007, 03:21 PM
im the only one tommy is afraid of.

I'm thinking you'd be considered small prey to Tommy, as well.Stump is Italian, so I'd probably get some mad heartburn.

2PACMAN2
10-13-2007, 05:31 AM
700 is more impressive to me by about 150lbs

Levantar
10-15-2007, 12:19 AM
I voted for 550 @ 148. Just think about how small a 148lb man is for a minute. It's like watching Spud Webb dunk a basketball!

RhodeHouse
10-15-2007, 08:16 AM
One of the phrases in your post struck me as, odd.

"Just think about how small a 148lb man is..." That's funny. It's an oxymoron. There's no such thing as a 148lb man. Anyone that's 148lbs is a girl or a metrosexual. I had hoped that craze had passed. Metro's are gay, they just don't know it yet. Therefore, making them a "girl" as well.

redFury
10-15-2007, 09:42 AM
One of the phrases in your post struck me as, odd.
"Just think about how small a 148lb man is..." That's funny. It's an oxymoron. There's no such thing as a 148lb man. Anyone that's 148lbs is a girl or a metrosexual. I had hoped that craze had passed. Metro's are gay, they just don't know it yet. Therefore, making them a "girl" as well.

Ouch... and to think I'm not even 148...

RhodeHouse
10-15-2007, 11:17 AM
Start eating, dude. If you wanna be strong, you gotta get big. I know you're young, so that's ok, for now. Hit the buffets and the weights

vdizenzo
10-15-2007, 12:17 PM
It's kind of ok to be 148 and be a kid as long as you are around 8 years old. Seriously, much of this talk is just kidding around. A lot of you guys are young and coming up. Just keep eating, training, and grow. As an adult there is no excuse for a man to be under 148 unless he's 3'3" Brian Siders told me at 5'8" I should weigh at least 365. My wife almost killed him. So see, we big guys get it too.

Lones Green
10-15-2007, 12:26 PM
It's kind of ok to be 148 and be a kid as long as you are around 8 years old. Seriously, much of this talk is just kidding around. A lot of you guys are young and coming up. Just keep eating, training, and grow. As an adult there is no excuse for a man to be under 148 unless he's 3'3" Brian Siders told me at 5'8" I should weigh at least 365. My wife almost killed him. So see, we big guys get it too.

hahaha, i'm 6'2.......

RhodeHouse
10-15-2007, 12:47 PM
Lones - you could be 400lbs

TommyBoy
10-15-2007, 01:04 PM
Ouch... and to think I'm not even 148...
1. Baconators
2. double whoppers
3. McD's dollar menu

hahaha, i'm 6'2.......

Lones - you could be 400lbsIt's true. I was 6'0" and 355 at one point. If I had an extra 2" I could be easily 50lbs heavier (25lbs per extra inch of height).

Lones Green
10-15-2007, 01:14 PM
tommy, thats badass. what did your lifts look like at 355? after my meet on dec 1st i'm gonna go for SHW status, and to lift as much weight as possible. im not sure if im gonna be able to make the 242s or not, not eating as much carbs is hard. oh well, 259 is still acceptable.

TommyBoy
10-15-2007, 01:33 PM
tommy, thats badass. what did your lifts look like at 355? after my meet on dec 1st i'm gonna go for SHW status, and to lift as much weight as possible. im not sure if im gonna be able to make the 242s or not, not eating as much carbs is hard. oh well, 259 is still acceptable.My lifts were ok, but I gained way too much weight back then. I did Tommy Fannon's Outlaw meet in Dec. '04 and while driving over to Washington on the way to the weigh-in, I ate at Denny's 3 times. It was rough. I only stepped on the scale at 344. My dad nearly had a heart attack; he thought I was 250 LOL! I'm most comfortable at 308. I think my best lifts were at around 310-312. I feel a bit too heavy right now. I wanna get to 308 and stay put. It's all in how you hold the muscle. I wanted to go 275, I'm pretty sure I can get there by cutting the baconators....but why?


F*** it, I'm a SHW 4 Life :burger: !

redFury
10-15-2007, 02:17 PM
1. Baconators
2. double whoppers
3. McD's dollar menu


Too expensive... I can buy a large pizza at ALDIs for $2 and it has 1600 cals, 70g of protein. That of course is before I put the extra cheese, pepperoni and whatever else I want on there. Drink it with milk and thats a working man's dinner right there.

Edit: :D.

TommyBoy
10-15-2007, 02:31 PM
Too expensive... I can buy a large pizza at ALDIs for $2 and it has 1600 cals, 70g of protein. That of course is before I put the extra cheese, pepperoni and whatever else I want on there. Drink it with milk and thats a working man's dinner right there.

Edit: :D.Damn....I stand corrected. Go get on that bro, and report back once you've gained 50lbs.

Guido
10-15-2007, 03:17 PM
Damn....I stand corrected. Go get on that bro, and report back once you've gained 50lbs.He'd still only be about 185-190lbs then, which you'd still consider small. At about 5'8, he'd have to gain about 230 lbs by your's and Rhode's logic!

TommyBoy
10-15-2007, 03:20 PM
He'd still only be about 185-190lbs then, which you'd still consider small. At about 5'8, he'd have to gain about 230 lbs by your's and Rhode's logic!Good point Guido. redFury: please refer to what Guido said.

Chris Rodgers
10-15-2007, 03:20 PM
You fat guys are funny.

Wade Hooper is weak
Kutcher is weak.
Brian Schwab is weak.
Tony Conyers is weak.

Sure.....



<---- ate fast food 3 times in the last two days so shaddap.

RhodeHouse
10-15-2007, 05:36 PM
Chris, we're not fat, we just haven't grown into our bodies yet.

Tommy, have I told you lately, that I love you? You're a freakin' genius. You know you're in my cult.

TommyBoy
10-15-2007, 06:13 PM
Chris, we're not fat, we just haven't grown into our bodies yet.Yeah, I'm due for a growth spurt anytime now.

Tommy, have I told you lately, that I love you? You're a freakin' genius. You know you're in my cult.Thank you, and much respect my SHW brother. It is an honour to be in your cult!
:bang: :strong: :burger:

redFury
10-15-2007, 09:41 PM
Yeah, I'm due for a growth spurt anytime now.
I've been trying to convince myself of that since I was 14....

I take on your challenge of 230 pounds... at my current rate I'll be 42 years old when I hit 370 pounds @ ~10% bf. I'll bench ~800lbs RAW just to prove to Tbone and Rhodes I'm not a puss... then cut down 308, 275, all the down breaking every raw and geared record imaginable in every weight class until I get to 148... at this point I will deadlift 550 and be an incredibly impressive person according to several people on this board.

vdizenzo
10-16-2007, 05:16 AM
Wade Hooper is weak
Kutcher is weak.
Brian Schwab is weak.
Tony Conyers is weak.



Especially at the buffet table.

1mmort4l
10-16-2007, 05:57 AM
Especially at the buffet table.


Hahaha, thats not bad... :bow:

RhodeHouse
10-16-2007, 07:54 AM
I've been trying to convince myself of that since I was 14....

I take on your challenge of 230 pounds... at my current rate I'll be 42 years old when I hit 370 pounds @ ~10% bf. I'll bench ~800lbs RAW just to prove to Tbone and Rhodes I'm not a puss... then cut down 308, 275, all the down breaking every raw and geared record imaginable in every weight class until I get to 148... at this point I will deadlift 550 and be an incredibly impressive person according to several people on this board.

I think I've pin-pointed your problem. You mention being 10% BF. Why? Who cares? Bodyfat is irrelevant. Strength is the key to victory as a powerlifter.

blackboard
10-16-2007, 08:16 AM
Iím going with 700 just because its more weight.

vdizenzo
10-16-2007, 09:26 AM
Iím going with 700 just because its more weight.

Welcome to Rhodes' cult.

RhodeHouse
10-16-2007, 09:31 AM
He's right. You could be in. I may have to come up with some criteria for being involved in my cult. I think too many people just want to be involved in something I'm in.

brihead301
10-16-2007, 09:57 AM
About the woman thing....So you say anyone who is under 200 lbs. is a woman right? Well I weigh 190 lbs. so that would classify me as a woman right? But how is that possible when I have this giant pair of balls?

Chubrock
10-16-2007, 10:41 AM
About the woman thing....So you say anyone who is under 200 lbs. is a woman right? Well I weigh 190 lbs. so that would classify me as a woman right? But how is that possible when I have this giant pair of balls?

Because there is no penis with those balls.

redFury
10-16-2007, 10:44 AM
I think I've pin-pointed your problem. You mention being 10% BF. Why? Who cares? Bodyfat is irrelevant. Strength is the key to victory as a powerlifter.

Because at my current growth rate, I will remain 10% and weigh 370lbs man when I'm 42... simple mathema-matics. :D You're right though, bodyfat is irrelevant... but there's a smart way to go about it. You won't see me trying to gain 50lbs in 6 months... why? Have I plateaued yet? Not even close... so why change things drastically? Keep it simple... isnt that what you're always saying?

In any case, I'm patient with my strength gains... which have continued to go up at my nutrition level. That's my mentality anyways... I'm totally focused on getting stronger. Not a doubt with hard work I can be 198 benching 600+ pounds, deadlifting 700+ one day. Just not in the next year...

brihead301
10-16-2007, 11:14 AM
Because there is no penis with those balls.

I wouldn't necessarily say no penis, I'd just say that pound for pound, my 5 lb. d*** is kind of negligable in comparison to my 30 lb balls. biotch.

Guido
10-16-2007, 12:44 PM
I've been trying to convince myself of that since I was 14....

I take on your challenge of 230 pounds... at my current rate I'll be 42 years old when I hit 370 pounds @ ~10% bf. I'll bench ~800lbs RAW just to prove to Tbone and Rhodes I'm not a puss... then cut down 308, 275, all the down breaking every raw and geared record imaginable in every weight class until I get to 148... at this point I will deadlift 550 and be an incredibly impressive person according to several people on this board.Sounds like a plan to me, man! :thumbup:

RhodeHouse
10-16-2007, 01:01 PM
Bri - accoding to the criteria, you would be classified as a woman at 190lbs. How old are you? How tall are you? These are a few things that may change the your classification. Before you get excited, if you're taller than a midget, you're tall enough to be at least 200lbs. If you're at least 18, you're old enough to be at least 200lbs.

I realize that to some, my logic seems flawed. As a former woman until I was 21, I can empathize with your plight. However, the classification stands until I come up with a better rating system.

Mr Fury, as I will now refer to you in all posts, you haven't plateaued yet? That's good. At your age, you shouldn't plateau for another 8-10 years. I agree with your idea of slow and steady wins the race, theory. It's very true. My theory, that has been stolen and reused to prove most of my points, is, Mass moves Mass. You wanna lift big, you gotta get big. No 2 ways about it. I know you can point out the FEW who are exceptions to the rule, but my guess is, you're not the exception (no offense). So, to summarize:

- mass moves mass GFH!

brihead301
10-16-2007, 01:32 PM
Bri - accoding to the criteria, you would be classified as a woman at 190lbs. How old are you? How tall are you? These are a few things that may change the your classification. Before you get excited, if you're taller than a midget, you're tall enough to be at least 200lbs. If you're at least 18, you're old enough to be at least 200lbs.

I realize that to some, my logic seems flawed. As a former woman until I was 21, I can empathize with your plight. However, the classification stands until I come up with a better rating system.


Lol, you are a d***!!!

It's cool though. I'm 5'10, 190 lbs, and I'm 25 years old. My goal is to be around 225 with relatively low bodyfat (about 12%). I've only been lifting big and properly for 4 1/2 months now (I've been lifting the wrong way for 6 years before that - mostly isolations, no squats, no deadlifts, no diet whatsoever).

I just finally realized the concept of eating to get big 4 1/2 months ago too. Although it's obvious that you need to eat a lot to get big, I used to just lift weights (by doing lots of isolations) and take a few protien shakes everyday along with my no breakfast, pizza for lunch, taco bell for dinner, and lots of beer at night diet, thinking that was the way to get big. It was the NROL book that got me into training properly, and bodybuilding forums that taught me the importance of eating.

But I know I'm not a woman because my balls keep growing and growing, and they keep getting hairier and hairier too. I even gained 2 lbs. in my balls between the start of this reply and now. But, if you do happen to come across a 190 lb. woman that has balls as big and hairy as mine, let me know, because I will definately stay away from her ugly a**.

Guido
10-16-2007, 01:41 PM
Bri - accoding to the criteria, you would be classified as a woman at 190lbs. How old are you? How tall are you? These are a few things that may change the your classification. Before you get excited, if you're taller than a midget, you're tall enough to be at least 200lbs. If you're at least 18, you're old enough to be at least 200lbs.

I realize that to some, my logic seems flawed. As a former woman until I was 21, I can empathize with your plight. However, the classification stands until I come up with a better rating system.

Mr Fury, as I will now refer to you in all posts, you haven't plateaued yet? That's good. At your age, you shouldn't plateau for another 8-10 years. I agree with your idea of slow and steady wins the race, theory. It's very true. My theory, that has been stolen and reused to prove most of my points, is, Mass moves Mass. You wanna lift big, you gotta get big. No 2 ways about it. I know you can point out the FEW who are exceptions to the rule, but my guess is, you're not the exception (no offense). So, to summarize:

- mass moves mass GFH!That's interesting. I guess I was a woman will I was about 28, only 2 years ago. Good thing my wife never discovered this before she married me!

Oh, and I'd say that of anyone, Mr. Fury actually IS an exception to the rule. Anyone who benches 280 raw and deadlifts 455 at a bodyweight of barely 135 lbs is a freak of nature no matter how you cut it, regardless of gender.

redFury
10-16-2007, 01:49 PM
Mr Fury, as I will now refer to you in all posts, you haven't plateaued yet? That's good. At your age, you shouldn't plateau for another 8-10 years. I agree with your idea of slow and steady wins the race, theory. It's very true. My theory, that has been stolen and reused to prove most of my points, is, Mass moves Mass. You wanna lift big, you gotta get big. No 2 ways about it. I know you can point out the FEW who are exceptions to the rule, but my guess is, you're not the exception (no offense). So, to summarize:

- mass moves mass GFH!
Lol @ Mr Fury... I'm a mere child compared to you big man. Just wanted to share my position at this young stage in my lifting career, which will no doubt change as time goes by. Maybe it is a pipe dream to consider myself an exception to the rule, but heck I'm skinny so a man can have hopes and dreams haha. Check out my journal sometime man... I sure could use some input from an experienced lifter such as you. I agree with most everything you say on this board, and I'm working on getting massive... but first I have to learn the ropes. :D

TommyBoy
10-16-2007, 02:15 PM
I'm working on getting massive... but first I have to learn the ropes. :DThe ropes = eat baconators

Guido
10-16-2007, 02:35 PM
The ropes = eat baconatorsLOL That's almost quotable, man.

JHarris
10-16-2007, 02:55 PM
As long as we are talking about people being women here, I'd like to point something out. The winner of the 69kg (151lbs) Women's class of this year's world championships in Olympic lifting clean and jerked 342 lbs. So I guess, in some sense, if you can't clean and jerk that, you fit into the Olympic-lifting definition of a woman. Well, as long as you don't weigh less than 151 lbs, that is.

redFury
10-16-2007, 04:50 PM
The ropes = eat baconators

Haha... you know, I wish we had a wendy's in my county so I could get some. How sad is that, 200,000 people and not a single friggin Wendy's :swear:

redFury
10-16-2007, 05:00 PM
As long as we are talking about people being women here, I'd like to point something out. The winner of the 69kg (151lbs) Women's class of this year's world championships in Olympic lifting clean and jerked 342 lbs. So I guess, in some sense, if you can't clean and jerk that, you fit into the Olympic-lifting definition of a woman. Well, as long as you don't weigh less than 151 lbs, that is.

To be fair... in street clothes I have not met a single person that thinks that I lift weights (especially being a Ph.D student in Engineering). Not a *single* person... once I tell them they are always like "right, of course most people go to the gym, he probably runs on the treadmill too". It doesn't matter how strong I am, most people still see me as a skinny short kid at my weight. I doubt I'll ever get any respect from these people until I'm at least 180lbs. No matter which way you slice it, size matters... even to the untrained eye.

TommyBoy
10-16-2007, 05:10 PM
Haha... you know, I wish we had a wendy's in my county so I could get some. How sad is that, 200,000 people and not a single friggin Wendy's :swear:My god, how do you live?

To be fair... in street clothes I have not met a single person that thinks that I lift weights (especially being a Ph.D student in Engineering). Not a *single* person... once I tell them they are always like "right, of course most people go to the gym, he probably runs on the treadmill too". It doesn't matter how strong I am, most people still see me as a skinny short kid at my weight. I doubt I'll ever get any respect from these people until I'm at least 180lbs. No matter which way you slice it, size matters... even to the untrained eye.Oh s***, not another engineer:windup:

vdizenzo
10-16-2007, 06:18 PM
This is a great thread. You are all awesome. The comments are being taken in the nature as intended--as a joke with just a little slice of truth. Alright, maybe a big slice. Keep training hard everyone. SFW and GFH!

RhodeHouse
10-16-2007, 06:42 PM
To be fair... in street clothes I have not met a single person that thinks that I lift weights (especially being a Ph.D student in Engineering). Not a *single* person... once I tell them they are always like "right, of course most people go to the gym, he probably runs on the treadmill too". It doesn't matter how strong I am, most people still see me as a skinny short kid at my weight. I doubt I'll ever get any respect from these people until I'm at least 180lbs. No matter which way you slice it, size matters... even to the untrained eye.

Dude, there is hope for you! CPop, who posts here every so often is also an engineer. He works on nuclear subs. He started his quest to be jacked at 5' 10" 165lbs. He's still 5' 10", but now he's up to 275 and has benched 650 in competition and 705 in the gym.He started his quest at 24-25 years old. Now, I think he's 29?

You're doing fine. I'm busting balls because I'm good at it. Keep training and eating and learning how to achieve your goals.

Fuzzy
10-21-2007, 07:42 AM
They are both awesome!

I like watvhing a guy in the 115's snatch close to 300,

but I love seeing the 350+ supers put 550+ overhead.

smokinHawk
10-22-2007, 07:23 AM
hmm i dont get this thread, fat doesnt move weight, so why do you need it?

vdizenzo
10-22-2007, 07:34 AM
hmm i dont get this thread, fat doesnt move weight, so why do you need it?

Have you ever seen Jeff Lewis lift? He has put up over 800 in the bench and 1200 in the squat and weighed over 520 (It's not all muscle just to let you know). Guys, I could care less if some people want to look great. Good for them. I don't want to be a huge mess either. However, powerlifting is about strength. If looking at nice male bodies is your thing that's cool, just try to seperate that desire from powerlifting.

RhodeHouse
10-22-2007, 07:57 AM
hmm i dont get this thread, fat doesnt move weight, so why do you need it?

At 165, I can see why you don't get it.

smokinHawk
10-22-2007, 12:52 PM
At 165, I can see why you don't get it.

:cry: no i dont get it, I wanna lift what you do, but without the weight:D
to me powerlifting is about power to weight.
you dont get in the record books unless your a freak lifting allot of weight per bodyweight.
biggest i will get is probably 210 so i can get down to the 198lb class were id like to do a 600lb raw bench, and to acheive that ill probably have to be around a 10% body fat.

KevinStarke
10-22-2007, 04:04 PM
600 raw at 198 would be pretty epic, shootin high hawk.

vdizenzo
10-22-2007, 04:43 PM
Smokin, you never responded to my post about Jeff Lewis. I wonder why? Good luck on your 600 raw bench at 198.

RhodeHouse
10-22-2007, 05:50 PM
:cry: no i dont get it, I wanna lift what you do, but without the weight:D
to me powerlifting is about power to weight.
you dont get in the record books unless your a freak lifting allot of weight per bodyweight.
biggest i will get is probably 210 so i can get down to the 198lb class were id like to do a 600lb raw bench, and to acheive that ill probably have to be around a 10% body fat.

Pretty lofty expectations. If you're 3' 2" at 210lbs you may have a chance. Vincent benched 600 unequipped at 5' 8" 328. Thinking you'll do it a 200lbs is an insult and shows your ignorance. But, you're young.

Here's a very simple rule to follow. Mass moves mass. It doesn't get any simpler than that. Powerlifting is not about strength to weight. It's about moving weights, period. People gp to the circus to see the elephants, not the mice.

redFury
10-22-2007, 05:54 PM
600 raw at 198 would be pretty epic, shootin high hawk.

No doubt man... I looked on powerlifting watch and according to them 600@198 would break the world record by 38 pounds. Thatd be pretty special.

RhodeHouse
10-22-2007, 08:21 PM
Actually, the World Record is 715lbs by Scot Mendelson. I had to break out my calculator to do the math on this one, but I actually came up with a 600lb bench to be 115lbs LESS than the World Record.

Somebody else check my math to make sure. Powerlifting is about weight lifted - PERIOD! No one asks me "how much did you weigh when you squatted 955 in training?"

I know you little guys wannabebig (nice plug for the website, huh?)

It's like a guy with a little "thingy" saying, "it's not the size of the ship. It's the motion in the ocean."

Chubrock
10-22-2007, 08:24 PM
It's like a guy with a little "thingy" saying, "it's not the size of the ship. It's the motion in the ocean."



Dammit Rhodes, don't you tell me otherwise.

redFury
10-22-2007, 09:53 PM
[QUOTE=RhodeHouse;1810409]Actually, the World Record is 715lbs by Scot Mendelson. I had to break out my calculator to do the math on this one, but I actually came up with a 600lb bench to be 115lbs LESS than the World Record.

Somebody else check my math to make sure. Powerlifting is about weight lifted - PERIOD! No one asks me "how much did you weigh when you squatted 955 in training?"
/QUOTE]

Powerlifting is about getting stronger and improving... on top of weight lifted. It's busting a everytime in the gym for that one goal... that's where the respect should be given and not based upon numbers. Powerlifting is an attitude, not a number. It's only about SFW! and that's all... I know that's what you believe to some degree as well. Powerlifting is not only about weight lifted... you know that.

smokinHawk
10-23-2007, 06:50 AM
Smokin, you never responded to my post about Jeff Lewis. I wonder why? Good luck on your 600 raw bench at 198.
what am i suppose to say, sure he is tough, ya he has allot of muscle, at 500lbs though how long is he expected to live? If i am going to conquer the world i need to live to at least 100 years.......

Pretty lofty expectations. If you're 3' 2" at 210lbs you may have a chance. Vincent benched 600 unequipped at 5' 8" 328. Thinking you'll do it a 200lbs is an insult and shows your ignorance. But, you're young.

Here's a very simple rule to follow. Mass moves mass. It doesn't get any simpler than that. Powerlifting is not about strength to weight. It's about moving weights, period. People gp to the circus to see the elephants, not the mice.
Vincent's accomplished goal of 600 unequipped, was a great feat. How can someones else's goal be an insult to that. Yes i am young, and it will be a long road, i would hope to get to that goal or close at about 40-45 years old.

and people go to the circus to see the freaks, and the elephant eating mice.


600 raw at 198 would be pretty epic, shootin high hawk.
yes very epic very high, you have to set high goals, so i dont make it, but come close, least i tried with all i had.
I will do a triple body weight raw in my life though.

LevesqueIsKing
10-23-2007, 07:04 AM
What's a more impressive in the realm of competitive powerlifting: a 550lb Deadlift in the 148 class or a 700 in the 275 class? Discuss...

Edit: a 550@148 would be top 10 in PLUSA, while a 700@275 would be top 40 in PLUSA (I think) if rankings affect anyones opinion.


I think that 700 might be slightly more impressive simply because many of the 275s have longer limbs so their bar path is way longer (and leverages are worse). Plus of course the idea of having to hold 700 pounds vs 550 is crazy.
I weigh 155 and my 5 rep max is 205 on Deads.

500 lbs @ 148 is much better, imo.

RhodeHouse
10-23-2007, 08:02 AM
[QUOTE=RhodeHouse;1810409]Actually, the World Record is 715lbs by Scot Mendelson. I had to break out my calculator to do the math on this one, but I actually came up with a 600lb bench to be 115lbs LESS than the World Record.

Somebody else check my math to make sure. Powerlifting is about weight lifted - PERIOD! No one asks me "how much did you weigh when you squatted 955 in training?"
/QUOTE]

Powerlifting is about getting stronger and improving... on top of weight lifted. It's busting a everytime in the gym for that one goal... that's where the respect should be given and not based upon numbers. Powerlifting is an attitude, not a number. It's only about SFW! and that's all... I know that's what you believe to some degree as well. Powerlifting is not only about weight lifted... you know that.


Sorry dude, powerlifting is about weight lifted. I'm not in the game for a moral victory. I respect people that train hard, no doubt. But, someone who's lifted 500lbs, regardless of how much they weigh, has no idea what it's like to lift 800, 900, or 1000lbs. End of story.

It's like trying to tell me that playing a football game is not about winning. Last time I checked, sports is about winning and losing. All other lessons fall into place after that. In this new era, you young boys haven't been taught that winning is the most important thing. All that crap about, "It's not about winning or losing. It's about how you play the game." was said by a loser.:thumbup:

"Winning isn't the most important thing. It's the only thing."
-Vince Lombardi

smokinHawk
10-23-2007, 08:21 AM
bah whatever dude.
so you have taken a few first place trophies at powerlifting meets?
so have I, shrug.
I really dont care about the trophies, do you?
if so i can send you all of mine, i will probably just throw them out, but if they make you feel better about yourself then i will.
powerlifting is about improving yourself, at least it is for me and most others in the sport,
I take it your the kind of guy that gos around putting down people you meet saying well i am stronger and better then you to everyone you see.

trueedge
10-23-2007, 08:23 AM
thats it a girl can lift more deadliftin than me damn i quit lifting lol

LevesqueIsKing
10-23-2007, 09:13 AM
bah whatever dude.
so you have taken a few first place trophies at powerlifting meets?
so have I, shrug.
I really dont care about the trophies, do you?
if so i can send you all of mine, i will probably just throw them out, but if they make you feel better about yourself then i will.
powerlifting is about improving yourself, at least it is for me and most others in the sport,
I take it your the kind of guy that gos around putting down people you meet saying well i am stronger and better then you to everyone you see.
Seconded. I may not be able to lift too much but I'd take a moral victory over a competition victory any day.

brihead301
10-23-2007, 09:33 AM
S*** I finally can bench with 2 plates on the bar, I'm happy as all hell. Next step - 3 plates.

vdizenzo
10-23-2007, 09:47 AM
what am i suppose to say, sure he is tough, ya he has allot of muscle, at 500lbs though how long is he expected to live? If i am going to conquer the world i need to live to at least 100 years.......




You keep changing the subject. Powerlifting is not about how long someone lives. You asked how does fat move weight. I showed you how.

smokinHawk
10-23-2007, 10:06 AM
i dont see how that proves fat moves weight?

RhodeHouse
10-23-2007, 10:18 AM
bah whatever dude.
so you have taken a few first place trophies at powerlifting meets?
so have I, shrug.
I really dont care about the trophies, do you?
if so i can send you all of mine, i will probably just throw them out, but if they make you feel better about yourself then i will.
powerlifting is about improving yourself, at least it is for me and most others in the sport,
I take it your the kind of guy that gos around putting down people you meet saying well i am stronger and better then you to everyone you see.

You don't know me you little punk. F#$K YOU and your trophies. You have no idea what you're talking about. You just don't get it. It's that simple. And all of your other little bitches that don't get, sorry. your life will fall short. Not only in lifting.

Like I said earlier, you don't know me at all. If you came to train with me, I'd be the first person helping you out. You're too much a know it all punk to get it.

Daddy needs to beat you a little harder.

RhodeHouse
10-23-2007, 10:19 AM
Seconded. I may not be able to lift too much but I'd take a moral victory over a competition victory any day.

Have fun with moral victories. I feel so sorry for you guys. GFY

brihead301
10-23-2007, 10:58 AM
I know you're envious over my 235 lb. bench press rhodehouse, don't lie.

Mike G
10-23-2007, 11:12 AM
Rhodes, you are seriously a cool dude. I don't always agree with what you say, but atleast you have the balls to stand behind it. Too many people are too sensitive on here anymore.

Considering they have made many offers to help anyone who wants to train with them, I doubt they go around mocking out those looking to improve. If you're happy with your weight, why do you need to argue with Rhodes and his view? Obviously there is something more to it than just one guy saying gain weight.

I want in the cult, but I'm only 210 and pretty weak right now. I'm also a Giants fan and hate the Yankees.

smokinHawk
10-23-2007, 11:54 AM
You don't know me you little punk. F#$K YOU and your trophies. You have no idea what you're talking about. You just don't get it. It's that simple. And all of your other little bitches that don't get, sorry. your life will fall short. Not only in lifting.

Like I said earlier, you don't know me at all. If you came to train with me, I'd be the first person helping you out. You're too much a know it all punk to get it.

Daddy needs to beat you a little harder.

i dont get you, you say you'd be the first person helping anyone out, why cant you do that on the interweb then?
I have no problem with people in the SHW divisions, why do you mock those in the lightweight divisions?
sure if i was close id defiantly try to get some training sessions with you, there is allot i need to learn and improve, i just have different goals then you do, as allot of other people here have
you seriously sound like you have some insecurity issues, which are evident in the last set of statements.

Cirino83
10-23-2007, 12:05 PM
550 @ 148 if FAR more impressive. Hands down.

vdizenzo
10-23-2007, 12:20 PM
i dont see how that proves fat moves weight?

Because he has one of the best squats in the world. End of story. Typical of the internet--another person who just cannot admit he is wrong.

vdizenzo
10-23-2007, 12:22 PM
I want in the cult, but I'm only 210 and pretty weak right now. I'm also a Giants fan and hate the Yankees.


Is that you in your avatar?

Rocket Reidy
10-23-2007, 12:45 PM
550@148

way better... it is 3.7 times his body weight... much more impressive then 2.5times

Cirino83
10-23-2007, 12:47 PM
i just have different goals then you do, as allot of other people here have


I agree. One day people will realize that not everyone wants to be 300 lbs. Some actually *gasp* want to sit around 210ish with a low bf. I personally would take 215 at sub 10% rather than weigh 250+ with high bf and be able to move triple the weight.

LevesqueIsKing
10-23-2007, 01:06 PM
Have fun with moral victories. I feel so sorry for you guys. GFY
I will.

Immaturity's a bitch.

Chubrock
10-23-2007, 01:59 PM
A 700lbs DL is far more impressive. This is coming from a 5'11 172lbs guy as well. The last meet I was at, to help HomeYield, there were MANY 500lbs DLs. Obviously >3 times BW is impressive, but 700lbs is gettin pretty crazy.

Some of ya'll need to actually read what Rhodes is saying. He, as well as Vin, have said numerous times that it's cool if you want to be smaller with lower bodyfat. However, if you want to excel in PLing and be at the very top, you've got to GFH.

Chris Rodgers
10-23-2007, 03:40 PM
[QUOTE=redFury;1810483]


Sorry dude, powerlifting is about weight lifted. I'm not in the game for a moral victory. I respect people that train hard, no doubt. But, someone who's lifted 500lbs, regardless of how much they weigh, has no idea what it's like to lift 800, 900, or 1000lbs. End of story.

It's like trying to tell me that playing a football game is not about winning. Last time I checked, sports is about winning and losing. All other lessons fall into place after that. In this new era, you young boys haven't been taught that winning is the most important thing. All that crap about, "It's not about winning or losing. It's about how you play the game." was said by a loser.:thumbup:

"Winning isn't the most important thing. It's the only thing."
-Vince Lombardi


So what you are saying is that you are only winning in powerlifting if you lift more weight than everyone? Why do we have weight classes then? I realize that you like to express the fact that you weigh 300+ and it's like being in some cool club, but it's not for everyone. If I could possibly get to 300 lbs, I wouldn't, because I'd be a walking heart attack.


Not for nothing, you are a strong bastard Rhodes, but your PR total wouldn't put you up too high on the all-time total list. Since that is all that matters, you would be a loser yourself. Right?


I think this thread is going in the wrong direction. It is a strong difference of opinion, mostly between fatties and twigs. That is fine, but lets not make it personal so it won't need to be deleted.

Guido
10-23-2007, 03:55 PM
I think this thread is going in the wrong direction. It is a strong difference of opinion, mostly between fatties and twigs. That is fine, but lets not make it personal so it won't need to be deleted.Agreed. No need for personal attacks here. It's like debating two different religions. Everyone has their beliefs and goals so there is no need to mock the others. It's all OPINION and if some guy wants to be 300lbs and another guys wants to be 180 then it's not going to affect the other guy anyway.

RhodeHouse
10-23-2007, 04:15 PM
I know you're envious over my 235 lb. bench press rhodehouse, don't lie.

No, I'm proud of you for going after it. In a few years it'll be 435 and so on.

RhodeHouse
10-23-2007, 04:16 PM
Rhodes, you are seriously a cool dude. I don't always agree with what you say, but atleast you have the balls to stand behind it. Too many people are too sensitive on here anymore.

Considering they have made many offers to help anyone who wants to train with them, I doubt they go around mocking out those looking to improve. If you're happy with your weight, why do you need to argue with Rhodes and his view? Obviously there is something more to it than just one guy saying gain weight.

I want in the cult, but I'm only 210 and pretty weak right now. I'm also a Giants fan and hate the Yankees.

Dude, I appreciate that. Are you TRYING really hard to be 275. If so, I'll waive the Giants thing. :alcoholic:

RhodeHouse
10-23-2007, 04:23 PM
[QUOTE=RhodeHouse;1810635]


So what you are saying is that you are only winning in powerlifting if you lift more weight than everyone? Why do we have weight classes then? I realize that you like to express the fact that you weigh 300+ and it's like being in some cool club, but it's not for everyone. If I could possibly get to 300 lbs, I wouldn't, because I'd be a walking heart attack.


Not for nothing, you are a strong bastard Rhodes, but your PR total wouldn't put you up too high on the all-time total list. Since that is all that matters, you would be a loser yourself. Right?


I think this thread is going in the wrong direction. It is a strong difference of opinion, mostly between fatties and twigs. That is fine, but lets not make it personal so it won't need to be deleted.

You missed my point like all the other skinny guys. I know where my total stands. It's sad that so many kids just don't get it, nowadays. What happened to your parents?

RhodeHouse
10-23-2007, 04:24 PM
A 700lbs DL is far more impressive. This is coming from a 5'11 172lbs guy as well. The last meet I was at, to help HomeYield, there were MANY 500lbs DLs. Obviously >3 times BW is impressive, but 700lbs is gettin pretty crazy.

Some of ya'll need to actually read what Rhodes is saying. He, as well as Vin, have said numerous times that it's cool if you want to be smaller with lower bodyfat. However, if you want to excel in PLing and be at the very top, you've got to GFH.

Chubby - YOU GET IT! YOU'RE IN! You just have to promise that you're trying really hard to get to 275.

RhodeHouse
10-23-2007, 04:26 PM
I also notice it's all the little guys that say 550@148 is more impressive. Don't get me wrong, it's awesome. It really is. But it's ONLY 550lbs. 700lbs is 700lbs at any bodyweight.

I know some of you think I have insecurity issues, but it's 550lbs. When you point the finger at me, you're pointing 3 more back at yourself. Validating yourselves with 550@148 is, well, insecure.

I'm BIG!

Chris Rodgers
10-23-2007, 04:46 PM
LOL. You are a funny guy Rhodes, simple-minded, but funny.


We'll agree to disagree. I agree with you that gaining weight typically means moving more weight, but that is not all about what powerlifting is(though that is what you believe in). That's fine, but you have to understand some people who train just as hard or harder don't share that same idea.


PS- I'm not a kid. I may be tiny, but I'm not some 16 year old 165 lb newbie.

I'm a 27 year old, 165 lb powerlifter who has been competing for about 6 years. Small compared to some, but I lift with a bunch of guys who have been powerlifting for 10, 15 and 20+ years.



Just as a side note. My good friend and training partner, Chris Taylor, had ballooned all the way up to 305ish. He was hitting huge weights, but his health was no good. He had a heart attack. He cleaned things up, got his bodyweight back down and started training hard. He is as strong as I've ever seen him and he is going to compete now @242.


I don't know about you, but I am in this for the long run. I want to be doing this 20+ years from now and I have no problem moving up the weight classes slowly to avoid screwing myself up(whether it be health-wise or physically). I have goals I have set for myself that involves different weight classes, so I'm not gonna give up on them because I'm being told powerlifting is all about being friggin ginormous at any cost. That's not me.

vdizenzo
10-23-2007, 05:24 PM
Big guys don't have to be unhealthy. Whoever said good things come in small packages lied. Haha. Just have fun guys.

WillKuenzel
10-23-2007, 07:05 PM
700 at 275 for how many reps?

redFury
10-23-2007, 07:13 PM
Chubby - YOU GET IT! YOU'RE IN! You just have to promise that you're trying really hard to get to 275.

I think my bone-head finally gets what you are saying too Rhodes.

RhodeHouse
10-23-2007, 09:58 PM
LOL. You are a funny guy Rhodes, simple-minded, but funny.


We'll agree to disagree. I agree with you that gaining weight typically means moving more weight, but that is not all about what powerlifting is(though that is what you believe in). That's fine, but you have to understand some people who train just as hard or harder don't share that same idea.


PS- I'm not a kid. I may be tiny, but I'm not some 16 year old 165 lb newbie.

I'm a 27 year old, 165 lb powerlifter who has been competing for about 6 years. Small compared to some, but I lift with a bunch of guys who have been powerlifting for 10, 15 and 20+ years.



Just as a side note. My good friend and training partner, Chris Taylor, had ballooned all the way up to 305ish. He was hitting huge weights, but his health was no good. He had a heart attack. He cleaned things up, got his bodyweight back down and started training hard. He is as strong as I've ever seen him and he is going to compete now @242.


I don't know about you, but I am in this for the long run. I want to be doing this 20+ years from now and I have no problem moving up the weight classes slowly to avoid screwing myself up(whether it be health-wise or physically). I have goals I have set for myself that involves different weight classes, so I'm not gonna give up on them because I'm being told powerlifting is all about being friggin ginormous at any cost. That's not me.

Dude, I know you're not a kid. I also understand that you don't have to be 300lbs. But, the GREATEST MIND IN POWERLIFTING HISTORY, Louie Simmons told me, "Gain weight until gaining weight doesn't help your lifts increase."

Young kids, even yourself, no disrespect, don't always have a great base of strength to work with. The only way to build that base is to GAIN WEIGHT. If you move more weight, you'll build more muscle. We all know that. It only made sense when Louie said to gain weight. Here's another favorite of mine, "You can't flex bone." At 32, I would say that I still don't have a great base to work with, yet. I will always believe that gaining weight will always improve your strength. And, you should do that untill it doesn't help you. Now, you don't need to go to 300lbs, but a bigger muscle has the potetial to be a stronger muscle. It only makes sense to put more muscle on. Once you've developed a great base of strength, when you drop weight, you'll be able to retain most of it.

Ask your boy Chris Taylor why he gained all that weight. I would bet his answer is similar to mine.

Mike G
10-24-2007, 05:23 AM
Is that you in your avatar?

Yes.

noahfor123
10-24-2007, 05:49 AM
I'm more impressed by whichever took more, harder work to achieve. I would not be impressed by Superman deadlifting 100,000 pounds because it didn't take any work for him to be able to do it. Likewise, I'm impressed by rock climbers, because I know what the average person is capable of, and it's the difference between that and what the climber is doing that makes it impressive, but I'm not impressed by a monkey, even though a monkey will put any rock climber to shame. I can be awed by the spectacle of Superman or a climbing monkey, but it's not the same as being impressed; it's more like awe of seeing a lightning strike or a tornado. Those things to impress me. It has to be this way because somewhere there is a 50 pound alien warming up with your max.

WillKuenzel
10-24-2007, 07:01 AM
I can't speak for everyone but from my own personal experience, sometimes the higher numbers are almost too hard to comprehend. They can only look at where they are. They've not been around big guys lifting big weights. They don't understand the intensity, the determination, the dedication, the drive, nor the ferocity, much less the pure comprehension that somebody can lift that much. So in terms that they can understand, 550 is more impressive. 700 is just incomprehensible and thus not impressive.

This was at least my own perspective for years. That is until I went to South Carolina Barbell and saw Marc Bartley deadlift 700 for 3 reps. I had already made several trips up there by then so while it was mildly impressive, I was used to it. 700 doesn't impress me. 800 is cool, but 900 and up is impressive. That is moving weight.

I don't care what you weigh or what your goals are. I know what mine are and it's to out lift anyone else regardless. You want to go by coefficient, fine, come the end of the day, I've still lifted more weight. Bite my ass.

LevesqueIsKing
10-24-2007, 07:04 AM
PS- I'm not a kid. I may be tiny, but I'm not some 16 year old 165 lb newbie.
And what is that supposed to mean? :( :)

Keep in mind that Knowledge+Maturity>Age the next time you judge someone. I know that with age comes experience, but I like to think that those boundaries can be broken in certain circumstances.

Chubrock
10-24-2007, 07:15 AM
I can't speak for everyone but from my own personal experience, sometimes the higher numbers are almost too hard to comprehend. They can only look at where they are. They've not been around big guys lifting big weights. They don't understand the intensity, the determination, the dedication, the drive, nor the ferocity, much less the pure comprehension that somebody can lift that much. So in terms that they can understand, 550 is more impressive. 700 is just incomprehensible and thus not impressive.






That's a good point. Up until I lifted with you, and went to the meet I probably would've said the 550lbs DL was more impressive. I then went to that meet and saw >700lbs come up from the floor on several different occasions. Heck, you aren't THAT far from a 700lbs DL and you're ~230lbs. We've got a member on here that is pulling over 700lbs at 242, unequipped. 550lbs is impressive at that weight, but I suppose after you see people use it as the last warmup in the back, it just kinda loses its shine.

Guido
10-24-2007, 09:07 AM
Dude, I know you're not a kid. I also understand that you don't have to be 300lbs. But, the GREATEST MIND IN POWERLIFTING HISTORY, Louie Simmons told me, "Gain weight until gaining weight doesn't help your lifts increase."

Young kids, even yourself, no disrespect, don't always have a great base of strength to work with. The only way to build that base is to GAIN WEIGHT. If you move more weight, you'll build more muscle. We all know that. It only made sense when Louie said to gain weight. Here's another favorite of mine, "You can't flex bone." At 32, I would say that I still don't have a great base to work with, yet. I will always believe that gaining weight will always improve your strength. And, you should do that untill it doesn't help you. Now, you don't need to go to 300lbs, but a bigger muscle has the potetial to be a stronger muscle. It only makes sense to put more muscle on. Once you've developed a great base of strength, when you drop weight, you'll be able to retain most of it.

Ask your boy Chris Taylor why he gained all that weight. I would bet his answer is similar to mine.Ah, I understand what you are saying Rhodes. I just don't know why you didn't explain it that way earlier.

You are totally right. I was a deadlift only meet this past weekend. There were a lot of guys there deadlifting 500-600lbs. Nobody took much notice until a guy deadlifted 715 lbs, then another guy (Ernie Lilliebridge) DL'ed 735 RAW as a first attempt and got it easily. Then he went up to 805 for his next attempt, also RAW. Believe when I say people all stood up and cheered and took pictures as he pulled up that weight. He dropped it at the top only because his grip slipped so it didn't count, but he still got a standing ovation. THAT is the difference between sfw and SFW!

Rocket Reidy
10-24-2007, 09:34 AM
Rhode House
people dont always lift just to see how much they can lift... i lift to make me faster...
some people lift for other reasons... i would rather be lighter and lift alot more times my body weight, but that is beacause if i was 275pounds i would lose loads of my speed, quickness, and mobility..


you can say wefeel insecure so we say that it doesnt matter how much weight u life as much as it matters how much times your weight you lift...
but we probably can move faster thanyou, and be more agile... but you probably dont care about being fast and agile, so to each his own.

RhodeHouse
10-24-2007, 09:44 AM
Rhode House
people dont always lift just to see how much they can lift... i lift to make me faster...
some people lift for other reasons... i would rather be lighter and lift alot more times my body weight, but that is beacause if i was 275pounds i would lose loads of my speed, quickness, and mobility..


you can say wefeel insecure so we say that it doesnt matter how much weight u life as much as it matters how much times your weight you lift...
but we probably can move faster thanyou, and be more agile... but you probably dont care about being fast and agile, so to each his own.

Dude, this is a powerlifting forum. Not an athletic forum. The point of powerlifting is to lift the most weight you can.

You should move faster than me, you're tiny. Just don't let me get my hands on you. No matter how, quick or fast you are, an a$$-whoopin' will follow.

BTW - this fat-kid can still dunk a basketball at 315. Tried it the other day, just to see. So don't cry about getting big and losing speed, mobility, and quickness. If you do, you suck at training yourself. Sorry.

RhodeHouse
10-24-2007, 09:46 AM
Ah, I understand what you are saying Rhodes. I just don't know why you didn't explain it that way earlier.

You are totally right. I was a deadlift only meet this past weekend. There were a lot of guys there deadlifting 500-600lbs. Nobody took much notice until a guy deadlifted 715 lbs, then another guy (Ernie Lilliebridge) DL'ed 735 RAW as a first attempt and got it easily. Then he went up to 805 for his next attempt, also RAW. Believe when I say people all stood up and cheered and took pictures as he pulled up that weight. He dropped it at the top only because his grip slipped so it didn't count, but he still got a standing ovation. THAT is the difference between sfw and SFW!

When I was up and coming, and someone bigger, stronger, and older than me said, "Do this..." I did it, because he was bigger, stronger, and had been there before me. You young kids don't get it today. Don't ask - shut up and do it.

RhodeHouse
10-24-2007, 09:54 AM
And what is that supposed to mean? :( :)

Keep in mind that Knowledge+Maturity>Age the next time you judge someone. I know that with age comes experience, but I like to think that those boundaries can be broken in certain circumstances.

Knowledge+Maturity>Age? WTF? Where did you come up with this nonsense? :scratch: :alcoholic: Sorry dude, time under the bar is what matters. If you spend your time listening to someone that tells you they know what they're doing because they read about it, you'll never make any progress.

As an example, that's like me listening to you tell me how to squat properly. Until you can do what I can do, I don't care how much knowledge you have or what kind of maturity you have. My experience far outweighs ALL of that.

smokinHawk
10-24-2007, 10:50 AM
BTW - this fat-kid can still dunk a basketball at 315. Tried it the other day, just to see. So don't cry about getting big and losing speed, mobility, and quickness. If you do, you suck at training yourself. Sorry.

Oriely?
how tall are you? just wondering.

RhodeHouse
10-24-2007, 11:13 AM
Shorter than Michael Jordan, but taller than Spud Webb.

6' 4" And don't have any snappy comebacks like, "you should be able to. You're halfway to the hoop."

I'm the size of an NFL lineman, except way better looking, especially around the eyes.

smokinHawk
10-24-2007, 11:39 AM
ah-ok,
at 6'4" you dont sound as bulky as i first though.

i need to be able to dunk, but am just a few inches away, i am just a hair taller then mr. spud web.

TommyBoy
10-24-2007, 12:03 PM
Big guys don't have to be unhealthy.Good call Vin-man. I'm 25 years old, 6'0", and currently 336lbs. The last time I got a check up, my cholesterol is perfect, and my blood pressure is normal. Sure I may sweat more than the average man, but it's all part of my lifestyle--the GFH lifestyle. I have said in the past that my ultimate goal was to total 2200 @ SHW, but now that I think about it, that's small potatoes. I don't think I'll be the least bit satisfied until I can total 2500 minimum.

LevesqueIsKing
10-24-2007, 01:09 PM
Knowledge+Maturity>Age? WTF? Where did you come up with this nonsense? :scratch: :alcoholic: Sorry dude, time under the bar is what matters. If you spend your time listening to someone that tells you they know what they're doing because they read about it, you'll never make any progress.

As an example, that's like me listening to you tell me how to squat properly. Until you can do what I can do, I don't care how much knowledge you have or what kind of maturity you have. My experience far outweighs ALL of that.
I dont doubt that you know more than me, you seem like a very credible source. However, assuming that you are a human being, you need to atleast take other people's opinions into consideration before absolutely trashing them. Thats where the 'maturity' aspect comes into play. Just because you can lift more weight than me doesn't mean you are a better person than me and it certaintly doesn't mean you have any more authority than me. Next time, try listening to the person:

That is my exact point. You know so much more than me about lifting, so, by coming onto these forums and gaining information (knowledge) from experienced people I can become a better lifter. This way, I speed up the process of experience, because I no longer have to experience something on my own to know about it.
Its not like you listening to me because I am not always a credible source in this field. Would you rather me change the equation to Knowledge (from a credible source) + Maturity= Age? Because I can if that makes more sense...

Example:

I could have done isolation exercises for years with minimal results before realizing that compound exercises are more efficient. By gaining knowledge from experienced people, I learned that my first day on here.

Killa Kurt
10-24-2007, 04:53 PM
Dude, this is a powerlifting forum. Not an athletic forum. The point of powerlifting is to lift the most weight you can.

You should move faster than me, you're tiny. Just don't let me get my hands on you. No matter how, quick or fast you are, an a$$-whoopin' will follow.

BTW - this fat-kid can still dunk a basketball at 315. Tried it the other day, just to see. So don't cry about getting big and losing speed, mobility, and quickness. If you do, you suck at training yourself. Sorry.

What height was the hoop at?

I say both lifts are impressive.

RhodeHouse
10-24-2007, 08:16 PM
I dont doubt that you know more than me, you seem like a very credible source. However, assuming that you are a human being, you need to atleast take other people's opinions into consideration before absolutely trashing them. Thats where the 'maturity' aspect comes into play. Just because you can lift more weight than me doesn't mean you are a better person than me and it certaintly doesn't mean you have any more authority than me. Next time, try listening to the person:

That is my exact point. You know so much more than me about lifting, so, by coming onto these forums and gaining information (knowledge) from experienced people I can become a better lifter. This way, I speed up the process of experience, because I no longer have to experience something on my own to know about it.
Its not like you listening to me because I am not always a credible source in this field. Would you rather me change the equation to Knowledge (from a credible source) + Maturity= Age? Because I can if that makes more sense...

Example:

I could have done isolation exercises for years with minimal results before realizing that compound exercises are more efficient. By gaining knowledge from experienced people, I learned that my first day on here.

Yes it does.

LevesqueIsKing
10-25-2007, 06:45 AM
I rest my case.

brihead301
10-25-2007, 07:54 AM
elohel.

WillKuenzel
10-25-2007, 09:16 AM
But if he knows more about lifting (and has even proven it, both on and off the platform) doesn't that make him more of an authority about lifting? Isn't that what the definition of an "authority on the subject" is? Somebody who's been there, done that and can teach it?

By realizing that and understanding that, yet continuing to argue with him, that makes you less of a person because you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. So in essence, he is a better person because he's not being hypocritical.

If someone is inexperienced and knows next to nothing on lifting, what can they offer me? What are they an authority of, being pesky? Cause that's what this is turning out to be.

brihead301
10-25-2007, 09:26 AM
I thought that there's nothing really to know about lifting to get big other then lift big, eat big, get big....

I thought that was the cardinal rule around here.

RhodeHouse
10-25-2007, 10:22 AM
Bri - it's that simple sometimes. Everyone wants to make it more than it has to be.

LevesqueIsKing
10-26-2007, 06:48 AM
But if he knows more about lifting (and has even proven it, both on and off the platform) doesn't that make him more of an authority about lifting? Isn't that what the definition of an "authority on the subject" is? Somebody who's been there, done that and can teach it?

By realizing that and understanding that, yet continuing to argue with him, that makes you less of a person because you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. So in essence, he is a better person because he's not being hypocritical.

If someone is inexperienced and knows next to nothing on lifting, what can they offer me? What are they an authority of, being pesky? Cause that's what this is turning out to be.
So you are saying that because he lifts more than me he has the authority to treat me like dirt? Typical seniority.

I'm just saying that he should take our opinions into consideration, because I'm here to learn and I'd prefer to get my answers without being cursed at.

sharkall2003
10-26-2007, 07:00 AM
So you are saying that because he lifts more than me he has the authority to treat me like dirt? Typical seniority.

I'm just saying that he should take our opinions into consideration, because I'm here to learn and I'd prefer to get my answers without being cursed at.

I'm sure they know what it feels like to be 148 and deadlifting 550. They're both good feats.

Chubrock
10-26-2007, 07:17 AM
So you are saying that because he lifts more than me he has the authority to treat me like dirt? Typical seniority.

I'm just saying that he should take our opinions into consideration, because I'm here to learn and I'd prefer to get my answers without being cursed at.

You can get your questions answered. Nobody has said they won't answer questions. However, your opinion on lifting carries no weight (no pun intended). You haven't been where Rhodes is at. You don't have any insight into where Rhodes wants to go.

Ryano
10-26-2007, 07:57 AM
I was going to stay out of this bickering, but here goes. Just because lifter A lifts more than lifter B, doesn't mean lifter B can't have an opinion or make valid points about any lift. Just because lifter A lifts more doesn't mean he has the right to belittle newcomers. Rhodes treats people like **** because he is an *******, from what I've read because I've never met him. Not because he lifts so much. I've seen his log. The #'s are NOT that impressive for a person of his size. You can give someone advice without belittling them. Rhodes, I assume you can read this with your good remaining eye, so you, and the Rhodes nut swingers can have at it. Good luck.

Chubrock
10-26-2007, 08:00 AM
I was going to stay out of this bickering, but here goes. Just because lifter A lifts more than lifter B, doesn't mean lifter B can't have an opinion or make valid points about any lift. Just because lifter A lifts more doesn't mean he has the right to belittle newcomers. Rhodes treats people like **** because he is an *******, from what I've read because I've never met him. Not because he lifts so much. I've seen his log. The #'s are NOT that impressive for a person of his size. You can give someone advice without belittling them. Rhodes, I assume you can read this with your good remaining eye, so you, and the Rhodes nut swingers can have at it. Good luck.


Would you take advice about benching from someone who could barely push two plates?

Ryano
10-26-2007, 08:15 AM
Chub, I would listen to his advice to see if it was viable in my opinion. Just like I do when someone who pushes 8 plates gives advice. If I don't agree, I would give him my opinion as to why I didn't agree with him, but not call him names or say "that's the dumbest advice I've ever heard". Maybe we both could learn something then.

Mike G
10-26-2007, 08:46 AM
I will.

Immaturity's a bitch.

This is what started the back and forth. Rhodes has different goals than you, so you call him immature. The fact is Rhodes is trying to move more weight any way he can. If you've read his posts, you'll see that. Sometimes he doesn't explain things in the first few posts, but eventually he does. It's not his style to explain everything he says. I love the fact that you are going to call him immature because he has a different view than you. Go back and read the thread, you do look like a little punk. You cry about Rodgers saying he isn't a little kid, that wasn't in response to you, but you take it as an insult. Sounds like some insecurity issues. It's great that you are on here learning from the guys who are insanely strong, but they don't owe you anything. The fact they are willing to offer advice should be enough, but for some reason kids anymore need all the explanations. How about simply because it worked for them?

You try to make yourself sound mature with your little equation, but are completely missing the point. Rhodes is more of an authority because he has more experience and is stronger. Somehow, he figured things out a little bit. When HomeYield explains that to you without belittling you, you say typical seniority. Every post I have read of yours in this thread screams kid. You want all of this respect like most kids I work with, but don't show any.

Ryano, I completely agree with you on the listening aspect. However, once again, Rhodes and his crew have an open offer to anyone to come train with them. That says a lot about their character, even if it isn't shown in all of their posts. I respect the fact that you are open to listening to anyone's advice, but I don't see why so many people are upset because Rhodes doesn't do that. He has his views and his style, this is only a forum and he has admitted many times he likes to bust balls. I think his willingness to help other liftes outweights some of his posts. Either way, big f'ing bench.

Chubrock
10-26-2007, 08:48 AM
I'm not saying that "weaker" lifters have nothing to offer, but as Rhodes has said, experience under the bar counts for A LOT more than book knowledge. Might that weaker lifter have some gem that he could share with people, yes. However, it's unlikely that the stronger lifter got to the level he's at through dumb luck and has more than likely not only heard of, but experienced anything the weaker lifter could offer.

Ryano
10-26-2007, 09:08 AM
I certainly don't think that any elite lifter got to their level by "dumb luck". It take hard work and dedication, along with knowledge gained by listening to others. Every elite lifter I've ever met seems to know where they came from though, without belittling the less experienced. Also the line, "Well I train with..." doesn't impress me much.

WillKuenzel
10-26-2007, 09:32 AM
I'm certainly not going to respect the less experienced (or anybody) that doesn't give it. I shouldn't get it if it ain't earned either.

Ryano
10-26-2007, 09:38 AM
I'm certainly not going to respect the less experienced (or anybody) that doesn't give it. I shouldn't get it if it ain't earned either.


I agree completely. But I don't automatically disrespect someone just because they can't lift as much as I.

WillKuenzel
10-26-2007, 09:57 AM
...and neither do I expect those that lift more than me to listen to me if I have nothing to offer.

Look, we can argue this all day. I agree with you. If LevesqueIsKing hadn't expected automatic respect from Rhodes, I doubt we would have been quite as big of an ass. He'll always be that way, we can't change that about him. But the younger lifters can learn they're not getting the respect until they've proved it. Nobody just gets **** handed to them. No matter their age, experience or strength.

RhodeHouse
10-26-2007, 10:12 AM
Ryano - Think what you will about me and my numbers. My guess is, all you can do is bench. And a 700 bench, I believe, ain't that special either. Neither is 800 anymore. I don't care how old you are. Come to IPA Nationals and lift with me. As a matter of fact, let me know the next time you do a meet. We can plan to compete together. Show me how bad my numbers are by beating me. Until then you are just another guy who nobody knows on the internet , that holds a few meaningless records in some fed that nobody really cares about. Step on the platform with me and shut my mouth by lifting more than me.

I tell it how I see it. Too many people have sand in their vaginas when they hear the truth or something that is contradictory to what they think or believe.

I mention the people I train with because they are who I've learned from and they are the ones that help me to get to my goals. Like you, I'm not impressed with some dude telling me he holds some WABDL record or APA record, blah, blah, blah. In a few eeks or so, you'll see the group of people that I am involved with. Then, like Eric Cartman says, "suck my balls."

How's that for immaturity?

As for the rest of you guys that have a problem with me, I don't care. There are a few guys that get what I'm trying to say, even if I don't always say it the right way. They will succeed. Not because of me, but simply because they get it.

brihead301
10-26-2007, 10:22 AM
Would you take advice about benching from someone who could barely push two plates?


Yes .. I would take advice from me.

RhodeHouse
10-26-2007, 10:25 AM
Yes ..

WOW! Would you go to a dentist that got his degree online?

brihead301
10-26-2007, 10:28 AM
WOW! Would you go to a dentist that got his degree online?


I'd take advice from you too.

RhodeHouse
10-26-2007, 10:33 AM
Don't. I can't bench to save my life. I just get to help 2 800lb benchers every week.

Advice definately has it's place, from all strength levels. But, unless the methods are tried and true, I won't listen to someone that doesn't know what it's like to lift heavy.

Ryano
10-26-2007, 10:34 AM
Rhodes, I listed my upcoming meets in the other thread before I even read this one again. I'll be bringing my meaningless records with me.

RhodeHouse
10-26-2007, 10:38 AM
Rhodes, I listed my upcoming meets in the other thread before I even read this one again. I'll be bringing my meaningless records with me.

Rock on Brother. Me too. Actually, I have no meaningless records. The May meet is the only one that might fit well into my schedule, unfortunately. The other guys in the gym have meets planned and I'm not sure if the UPA one is one of them. We'll figure it out.

Ryano
10-26-2007, 10:42 AM
See ya there.

C.Pop
10-26-2007, 10:42 AM
Truly the most impressive would be a 550 deadlift at 275. That, coincidentally, is about where my deadlift is. This could be because I am a giant walking vag (although 275 isn't "giant", it's big for a vag), or because of my alligator arms that my deadlift lockout resembles a high pull. Either way, clearly I am a specimen.

I am going to steal Rhodes's lens when it falls out.

TommyBoy
10-26-2007, 10:43 AM
:lurk:


Rhodes, you're still my hero!

Keith
10-26-2007, 10:46 AM
Truly the most impressive would be a 550 deadlift at 275.


That's actually the least impressive out of the options..

C.Pop
10-26-2007, 10:49 AM
That's actually the least impressive out of the options..

Check your sarcasm detector, I believe it's busted.

Keith
10-26-2007, 10:57 AM
Check your sarcasm detector, I believe it's busted.

:scratch:

Actually, it's off and always was.

WillKuenzel
10-26-2007, 01:06 PM
That's actually the least impressive out of the options..
LOL, wow. Just wow. Thank you Captain Obvious, or is it Oblivious?

WillKuenzel
10-26-2007, 01:08 PM
Rhodes, I listed my upcoming meets in the other thread before I even read this one again. I'll be bringing my meaningless records with me.


Rock on Brother. Me too. Actually, I have no meaningless records. The May meet is the only one that might fit well into my schedule, unfortunately. The other guys in the gym have meets planned and I'm not sure if the UPA one is one of them. We'll figure it out.

Will y'all rub bellies and be done with it?

LevesqueIsKing
10-26-2007, 01:32 PM
This is what started the back and forth. Rhodes has different goals than you, so you call him immature. The fact is Rhodes is trying to move more weight any way he can. If you've read his posts, you'll see that. Sometimes he doesn't explain things in the first few posts, but eventually he does. It's not his style to explain everything he says. I love the fact that you are going to call him immature because he has a different view than you. Go back and read the thread, you do look like a little punk. You cry about Rodgers saying he isn't a little kid, that wasn't in response to you, but you take it as an insult. Sounds like some insecurity issues. It's great that you are on here learning from the guys who are insanely strong, but they don't owe you anything. The fact they are willing to offer advice should be enough, but for some reason kids anymore need all the explanations. How about simply because it worked for them?

You try to make yourself sound mature with your little equation, but are completely missing the point. Rhodes is more of an authority because he has more experience and is stronger. Somehow, he figured things out a little bit. When HomeYield explains that to you without belittling you, you say typical seniority. Every post I have read of yours in this thread screams kid. You want all of this respect like most kids I work with, but don't show any.

Ryano, I completely agree with you on the listening aspect. However, once again, Rhodes and his crew have an open offer to anyone to come train with them. That says a lot about their character, even if it isn't shown in all of their posts. I respect the fact that you are open to listening to anyone's advice, but I don't see why so many people are upset because Rhodes doesn't do that. He has his views and his style, this is only a forum and he has admitted many times he likes to bust balls. I think his willingness to help other liftes outweights some of his posts. Either way, big f'ing bench.
I stopped reading after the second sentence, because you were WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY off. If I'm incorrect in this judgement, please tell me and I will read the rest.

I said that because he told me to 'GFY' or "Go **** Yourself" because I disagreed with him that I like moral victories over competition victories. THIS IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. He is forcing his opinions on us as if it is fact. I'm not allowed to like moral victories? Somebody needs to grow up because they're starting to look like a 10 year old girl who gets whatever they want and likes to put pictures of their dad as their avy.

^All of that was directed at Rhode, not you Mike.

WillKuenzel
10-26-2007, 01:46 PM
Now you're trying to argue semantics to save face. And doing a poor job of it.

LevesqueIsKing
10-26-2007, 01:52 PM
^Alright...

So you're saying that GFY doesn't mean Go **** Yourself?

... ... ... ...Good for you?

Either could apply in that situation, but I must say that I post on 4 seperate forums and every single time I've seen those letters its been in referance to "Go **** Yourself." Its use as Good For You has long faded and is very rarely used.

So is that what you meant?

Chubrock
10-26-2007, 02:03 PM
^Alright...

So you're saying that GFY doesn't mean Go **** Yourself?

... ... ... ...Good for you?

Either could apply in that situation, but I must say that I post on 4 seperate forums and every single time I've seen those letters its been in referance to "Go **** Yourself." Its use as Good For You has long faded and is very rarely used.

So is that what you meant?



Face it man. You're 16. You don't know **** about lifting and you got pissed because Rhodes told you that. Rhodes used to be the same way. It's not a bad thing. You've just got to learn to shut your mouth and listen to what's being said.

LevesqueIsKing
10-26-2007, 02:13 PM
^lol, yes, that is the situation in its entirety [/sarcasm]

Do you want me to explain it as fairly as I possibly can? Here goes: I come into this thread and see that everyone is aguing, so I just post my opinion and try to stay out of it. Then smokin hawk (a respectable member who has taught me a lot) says that he likes moral victories over competition victories, which surprises me, because I would expect strong guys to agree with Rhodes. So I post that I agree with him, still not trying to start anything. Then Rhodes posts that he disagrees, which I'm fine with, and then tells me to **** myself. WTF? So anyway, I know I don't have any seniority around here so I try to make a post that gets my point across without going overboard, which is "Immaturity's a bitch" (which I stand by). The discussion is then ended and I go on to respond to someone else's post, in a joking manner. Rhodes replies to my post (which was not directed at him) and completely trashes my personal opinion, which has absolutely nothing to do with him. Then everything gets blown out of proportion because people think I started something with Rhodes when in reality I wasn't even talking to him in my post. It all starts on page 5, I encourage you to look at what really happened before making another statement.

WillKuenzel
10-26-2007, 02:15 PM
LOL, I wasn't talking about the acronyms. I was talking about the moral vs. competition victories. Do you even know what semantics means? You're not getting your "moral" victory.

The little girl that says, "Well, it's okay. I tried my best," can piss off. Whoever is in the strength game and really thinks they are tring to get better but is just doing your best and getting a "moral" victory (whatever the **** that is), is deluding themselves. Its about getting stronger. Sooner or later is you really are strong, you'll win. It'll show. You'll be the best. You really think that an elite lifter cares about a "moral" victory? What the hell does morale have to do with it? I can guarantee you that their morale is high enough. Don't whine and complain. Doing your best ain't good enough, if you aren't lifting anything heavier than the other guy.

LevesqueIsKing
10-26-2007, 02:23 PM
LOL, I wasn't talking about the acronyms. I was talking about the moral vs. competition victories. Do you even know what semantics means? You're not getting your "moral" victory.

The little girl that says, "Well, it's okay. I tried my best," can piss off. Whoever is in the strength game and really thinks they are tring to get better but is just doing your best and getting a "moral" victory (whatever the **** that is), is deluding themselves. Its about getting stronger. Sooner or later is you really are strong, you'll win. It'll show. You'll be the best. You really think that an elite lifter cares about a "moral" victory? What the hell does morale have to do with it? I can guarantee you that their morale is high enough. Don't whine and complain. Doing your best ain't good enough, if you aren't lifting anything heavier than the other guy.
Alright, alright I misunderstood. To my knowledge, semantics refers to somethings meaning, but correct me if I am wrong.

Anyway, I have no problem with you thinking that, thats fine. Its just that everyone else is having a problem with my liking moral victories. It might be because I've never been in a competition, it might be because I've only been lifting for a few years, but why should my opinion matter to you?

There is no way to prove an opinion wrong, and that is the basis of this argument.

Keith
10-26-2007, 02:30 PM
LOL, wow. Just wow. Thank you Captain Obvious, or is it Oblivious?

Lol what? The dude said a 550lb deadlift at 275lbs is the most impressive. Relax, sorry for pointing something out.

Killa Kurt
10-26-2007, 02:36 PM
LOL, I wasn't talking about the acronyms. I was talking about the moral vs. competition victories. Do you even know what semantics means? You're not getting your "moral" victory.

The little girl that says, "Well, it's okay. I tried my best," can piss off. Whoever is in the strength game and really thinks they are tring to get better but is just doing your best and getting a "moral" victory (whatever the **** that is), is deluding themselves. Its about getting stronger. Sooner or later is you really are strong, you'll win. It'll show. You'll be the best. You really think that an elite lifter cares about a "moral" victory? What the hell does morale have to do with it? I can guarantee you that their morale is high enough. Don't whine and complain. Doing your best ain't good enough, if you aren't lifting anything heavier than the other guy.

A moral victory is what he is saying, seeing some type of improvement, which is a start. Without a moral victory you're kind of being pessimistic about EVERY single gain you make, no? You guys are kind of saying that no matter what type of PR, gain, improvment you make is irrelevant because it's not the best lift ever in that category. The elite lifter has had his moral victories coming up in the game. I'm an all or nothing type of guy myself, but I understand what they are saying.

Guido
10-26-2007, 02:38 PM
Lol what? The dude said a 550lb deadlift at 275lbs is the most impressive. Relax, sorry for pointing something out.Yes. Hence the sarcasm from HomeYield.

Chubrock
10-26-2007, 02:39 PM
Lol what? The dude said a 550lb deadlift at 275lbs is the most impressive. Relax, sorry for pointing something out.



Hahhahaha sarcasm is at a premium in Canadia huh.

WillKuenzel
10-26-2007, 02:51 PM
...but why should my opinion matter to you?It doesn't. This is the internet. I could care less. I just like having fun and arguing.

Keith
10-26-2007, 02:53 PM
It doesn't. This is the internet. I could care less. I just like having fun and arguing.

Lol, don't we all?

Magilla
10-26-2007, 03:30 PM
Killa Kurt stated it best. When you are first starting off, the morale victory is the only victory. As you become experienced, you want the win. You want to be the big man in the meet. I am impressed with the "little" guys that can double their bw in the bench, or triple their bw in the DL. Those are the guys I like to talk training with. But I always remember the guys pushing/pulling huge weights.

While I don't agree with Rhode's delivery, I respect the man's passion. A passion to win, to be big the lifter, to push himself. When someone is that passionate, second place sucks. To succedd in anything, whether powerlifting, work, or family, you must have that passion.

Magilla

TommyBoy
10-26-2007, 03:45 PM
I am impressed with the "little" guys that can double their bw in the bench, or triple their bw in the DL. Those are the guys I like to talk training with. But I always remember the guys pushing/pulling huge weights.I agree with this as well. Well said.

As you become experienced, you want the win. You want to be the big man in the meet.This is true; however, I'd like it even more if I break a huge PR by totaling over 2500, and end up finishing in say 6th place.

I'm not competing to get 1st place, or a trophy; I'm competing to annihilate my own PR regardless of how many competitors finish ahead of me. Hell, I'd love to step on the stage against guys like Rhodes and watch him lift 2x more than I lift, just so he'll push me.

Guido
10-26-2007, 04:00 PM
:withstupi: Competing is great. Setting PR's when competing is better. Setting records when competing is best!

Mike G
10-27-2007, 05:03 AM
Levesque, I took GFY as good for you, not f yourself. Saying you read two sentences and stopped shows a lot of immaturity. As much as you are saying others are showing. Read what I wrote, it might hit home a little bit. I know, because I have been in your shoes, only I was willing to shut up and listen to the guys who were stronger than me. I'm still in your shoes when it comes to listening to Rhodes, Vin, Ryano, Tommy, Rodgers, HomeYield, Anthony and many of the other posters who can do things I can't.

Edited: Read his response again, it was go f yourself. That was also because you seconded SmokingHawk calling him out. You go back and read it. Hawk trashes Rhodes pretty good and then you agree by quoting the whole post, not just the part about moral victories. At this point, you should just say my bad and move on. Anything else just looks like you are trying to save face.

LevesqueIsKing
10-27-2007, 12:42 PM
Alright, I'll go back and read it. Its just that your second sentence was so far off that I took the road of 'If he doesn't want to take the time to read my posts, I won't read his.'

Thanks, and yeah, thats why I stopped posting in this thread.

RhodeHouse
10-28-2007, 04:20 PM
Lev - you're 16? I've been lifting since you were 2 years old! You have NOTHING that could help me. Shut up and listen and maybe you'll make some progress. 16 years old and talking $hit like you've done something? You couldn't hold my ball sweat little boy.

vdizenzo
10-28-2007, 06:36 PM
Rhodes, I assume you can read this with your good remaining eye


Yeah, that proves how mature you are. What a tool!

Organichu
10-28-2007, 07:05 PM
So I just dead'd 535 @ 182.

Yay, deadlifting!

Ryano
10-28-2007, 07:45 PM
Yeah, that proves how mature you are. What a tool!I guess you approve of Rhodes bashing everyone else on this board?

vdizenzo
10-28-2007, 09:26 PM
So I just dead'd 535 @ 182.

Yay, deadlifting!

Nice deadlifting. Congrats.

vdizenzo
10-28-2007, 09:30 PM
I guess you approve of Rhodes bashing everyone else on this board?

I never said that. You try to come off like the better person then made light of the fact that Rhodes blew out the lens in his eye. Perhaps next time you could make fun of a dead relative of his to make your point.

RhodeHouse
10-28-2007, 10:19 PM
Ryano,

I don't bash everyone. I tell it how I see it. There's a big difference. If someone doesn't like it, tough. I'm not gonna rock the little babies to sleep because they didn't like what I had to say.

Hell, I got my ass ripped by Dave Tate this weekend. I didn't want to hear it. But, he's been there longer than I have. He's done more than I have. And, he's right.

I also want to thank you guys who rip me apart. My esteemed collegue pointed out a very interesting fact to me this weekend. He said, "You know you've made it when people bash you on the internet." I just wanted to say thanks. I've made it. Some of you guys just love ripping apart my posts and I think it's great.

All hail, RHODESTOWN!

Ryano
10-28-2007, 10:26 PM
Rhodes, I don't have a problem with someone "telling it like it is". I do the same. It's the manner in which you tell it I don't agree with. I shouldn't have said anything about the eye. It was my feeble attempt at humor and I apologize. I was slightly pissed as I had been PM'd by a young member of this board who stated you told him to kill himself. If that was true, NOT COOL.

RhodeHouse
10-28-2007, 10:38 PM
The eye thing doesn't really bother me too much.

What I told that young member was to stop crying and listen to the advice given to him. He chose to PM me, if I remember correctly, and proceed to cry about his insecurities and things of that nature. I said that he had bigger problems to deal with than lifting weights, etc... I'm not a therapist and don't care to be one. I'm not the rub your belly and tell you everything is gonna be ok, guy. My girlfriend gets that guy. If he took my recommendation to get a therapist that way, that's his problem, not mine.

LevesqueIsKing
10-30-2007, 07:03 AM
Lev - you're 16? I've been lifting since you were 2 years old! You have NOTHING that could help me. Shut up and listen and maybe you'll make some progress. 16 years old and talking $hit like you've done something? You couldn't hold my ball sweat little boy.
Why don't you just drop it?

Honestly, you're the most immature individual I've met on WBB and I had already hated this forum before I met you. Grow up.

RickTheDestroyer
10-30-2007, 07:07 AM
Why don't you just drop it?

Honestly, you're the most immature individual I've met on WBB and I had already hated this forum before I met you. Grow up.
Not to be a douchebag, but if you hate it, then why the **** are you here?

Guido
10-30-2007, 08:09 AM
I think this thread has run it's course.