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kAiXuan
03-09-2002, 01:49 AM
IMO, i only consider people who can do this "strong"
that is what i strive for, and eventually will achieve.
of course, squats and deadlifts should also be atleast 2-3x-

body
03-09-2002, 03:30 AM
I would consider that strong.
But if a 15 year old was benching 1.5 times their bodyweight I would consider that very strong. the 15 year old, say 5 years later may be doing twice there weight. then 10 years later doing over three times there body weight. It take time to get to 2*biodyweight bench.
the vast majority people appear to be late teens early 20's. with a couple of old people like W8_4_me. So have not been trianing long enough to get to that kind of level.

howsertrading
03-09-2002, 03:39 AM
Body.3x bodyweight benchpress is some serious weight.I doubt many people can do that wether they have been working 5 10 15 or 20 years :eek:,especially considering that you would expect someone thats been training that long to be pretty big.thats like a 600lb bench for a 14 stone guy.

I think my best was 160kg 352lb at roughly 13 stone 182lb ,and thats not even 2x bodyweight.

I would consider anyone who can do 2x very strong.

big
03-09-2002, 03:42 AM
yea, this are my current goals:

BP *1.5
SQ *2
DL *2.5

Although I dont train for strength at all. Hope to reach those within a year. Dont think I will reach the squat, but the others should be ok.

Hellrazor
03-09-2002, 05:35 AM
ermmm. did u mean for just one rep or a full say..8 - 10 reps, a friend of mine can lift 140k about 3 times and he weighs about 70k..however he`s juicing so.... I am nowhere near 2 x bw on bench, but u never know..one day

Hitsuraptor
03-09-2002, 06:01 AM
I can't :(
Can't even do my own Bodyweight :cry:
im aiming for my own bodyweight by mid year (as a max)

chrislehr
03-09-2002, 06:22 AM
that would be 440. no frickin way!

chris mason
03-09-2002, 06:28 AM
Originally posted by kAiXuan
IMO, i only consider people who can do this "strong"
that is what i strive for, and eventually will achieve.
of course, squats and deadlifts should also be atleast 2-3x-


Well, I tend to think of lifting more in a sense of total lbs lifted, as opposed to percentage of bodyweight. The bodyweight thing is very deceptive to me (to a point), because you could have a guy who is 5'2" and weighs 160 lbs. That person would be a very thick guy (if it was muscle). So, if he benched 320 lbs it would not be all that surprising (very thick, shorter ROM etc.). That being said, a 320 lb bench is very good, no matter how you slice it.

body
03-09-2002, 06:37 AM
howser- these would be more goals for powerlifters.

howsertrading
03-09-2002, 06:55 AM
I think you are talking a handfull of people in the world that can bench 3x bodyweight,and that would be with wrist wraps and a super suit on.the lightest lifters prolly have the best chance.Hiroyki Isagawa benched 192.5kg weighing 60kg for the world record.3x bodyweight is getting into the realms of the elite of the elite.

IceRgrrl
03-09-2002, 07:01 AM
For women, benching your BW is a good accomplishment...I'm getting there...

syntekz
03-09-2002, 08:30 AM
Originally posted by kAiXuan
IMO, i only consider people who can do this "strong"


I'm guessing that you aren't 'strong' than, eh?

musclemania
03-09-2002, 09:17 AM
well i'm a living example you don't have to be big to be strong i'm 16 weigh 110 and bench pressed 185lb yestarday(march 8 2002)

Alex.V
03-09-2002, 09:26 AM
There's relative strength, and absolute strength. A little guy lifting under 200 may be strong for his size, but overall I would not consider him a strong person.

notSoBig Guy
03-09-2002, 09:32 AM
Hmm, so I guess not many people out there are strong according to you huh? I don't bench press (I think it's an ego excercise; I do flat DB presses instead), but 2x my bodyweight would be 440 lbs, and there is now way I could do that.

Jane
03-09-2002, 09:46 AM
Originally posted by notSoBig Guy
I don't bench press...I do flat DB presses instead

That's what I do :)

Haven't benched in a long time. I ought to see what my max is by now. How much poundage difference do you think there is b/w the two? I am expecting the bar to allow me at least 10-20 more pounds than the DBs.

the doc
03-09-2002, 10:43 AM
i do db presses as well. No way i can do twice body weight- that would be like 400 lbs

Jane i think i dropped around 40 lbs when i switched to db from bb. I started out with 65s and now am up to 90s!

IceRgrrl
03-09-2002, 11:25 AM
I do DB presses as well...I'll test myself on the BB every once in awhile, but I'm making more progress on my chest with the DB's.

2xBW would be like 300 lbs. for me, which is a whole helluva lot for a female...maybe someday :p

Chris Rodgers
03-09-2002, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by Belial
There's relative strength, and absolute strength. A little guy lifting under 200 may be strong for his size, but overall I would not consider him a strong person.

What are you trying to say assface?

I don't consider those who make strength gains on juice to be strong people. ;)


Icer- good luck with that. That would be an awesome accomplishment.

Musclemania- congrats on the PR!


Kaxamoron- I guess you wouldn't consider too many people to be strong because it is not common to bench 2 times your bodyweight.

There are tons of factors to consider when deciding who is strong compared to who. Bodyweight, total lbs lifted, equipment used. You have to decide if you are talking about absolute strength or lb for lb. I'm a little guy, so I will always argue for the lb for lb stuff. The big guys who move some serious iron will lean towards the overall lbs lifted category. This is why I think competitions determine strength very well. You compete against those who weigh what you do and just lift as much as you can. You don't have to worry about formulas or %'s.


PS- strength is ace!!

the doc
03-09-2002, 01:56 PM
my goal is to BE USING THOse 105 lb db for sets in the next year
also to get my squat up to 300 for sets

Jim101
03-09-2002, 02:23 PM
Im 15 and I can get 1.5 my bodyweight, I guess thats ok.

kAiXuan
03-09-2002, 02:44 PM
no, syntex i dont bench 2x my bodyweight.............YET
and i read a lot about 3x on bench, i ment for squat and deadlift- not bench. LATMAN, smartguy..........how long did it take you to think of that? if im ever in comedy, ill make sure to give you a call-
icegurl- not in the slightest did i mean that for women, i think it is an excellent accomplishment if a gurl can bench just her bodyweight

PowerManDL
03-09-2002, 02:47 PM
Silly me, I can only bench 1.5x my weight and deadlift 2.4x my weight.

mesmall
03-09-2002, 02:56 PM
2x body weight is very impressive for a natural trainee. I would GUESS that at least 90% of natural trainee's will never accomplish this regardless of how long they have been training.

Adam
03-09-2002, 03:22 PM
A double bodyweight bench is a excellant bench. For heavier guys its even a bigger accomplishment. Not many people have benched over 3xbw in the world. The world record right now is 3.7xbw done by marcus shiek. He weight 165ish and benched 562

howsertrading
03-09-2002, 03:33 PM
not nitpicking but a 562lb bench at 165lb is just over 3.4xbw

Ok...I am nitpicking:D

W8_4_Me
03-09-2002, 04:34 PM
SHOOT, no!

:D

I can't bench 420. I feel pretty priviledged to be able to bench 315!!

Jane
03-09-2002, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by the doc
i do db presses as well. No way i can do twice body weight- that would be like 400 lbs

Jane i think i dropped around 40 lbs when i switched to db from bb. I started out with 65s and now am up to 90s!

That's awesome! haha, I'd look pretty sweet with the 90s. :)
I'm almost using 30s, lol. But in time...in time...

Chris Rodgers
03-09-2002, 04:52 PM
30's are great for skinny lil fooker like you! Good job, you'll be up to the 90's in no time.

Jane
03-09-2002, 04:55 PM
Latty I'm afraid you have missed my announcement of having gained 30+ pounds :)

But, thanks anyway bro.

Adam
03-09-2002, 04:55 PM
I made a semi mistake there Howsertraining. He was in the 165lbs class but he actually weighed 152lbs and benched 562 therefor doing 3.7xbw:)

Rock
03-09-2002, 04:55 PM
I can do the neck pulldown with 120kgs...if thats anygood.

Alex.V
03-09-2002, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by PowerManDL
Silly me, I can only bench 1.5x my weight and deadlift 2.4x my weight.

You get a gold star.

Chris Rodgers
03-09-2002, 05:00 PM
I should get 2 gold stars because my deadlift is better than his.

*pouts* :cry:

Alex.V
03-09-2002, 05:06 PM
You get two because you didn't brag about it first.

Chris Rodgers
03-09-2002, 05:11 PM
ACE!! :study: <------That's me pointing at the gold star on my paper.

PowerManDL
03-09-2002, 11:51 PM
Originally posted by Belial


You get a gold star.

http://216.40.201.240/s/ups/DeNiro/up_yours.gif

And you can quote me on that.

BIG POPPA PUMP
03-10-2002, 03:43 AM
Damn 500lbs seems to be a bit out of my reach for now, but I really only been in the gym for a year and I can get 315 at 250lbs that's not bad right????? Oh yeah I squat 405 for 7 and leg press 830 for 7 thats not bad either???????