Never going to a ****ing club again

[BFGUITAR]

I was at a club tonight and just had one horrible experience after another. I dont want to say exactly what they were as it pisses me off every time I think about it. I got **** from someonethere and just wanted to give him what he deserved. I know for a fact that it was good that I didnt as getting charged with assault is never a good idea, but feeling dissatisfied is horrible. As well there was some stupid girl issues. But tonight has deterred me from every going to a ****ing club again. I dont understand what people like about it anyways... Im too ****ing analytical when it comes to music anyways that the music just sounds like COMPLETE FREAKIN ASS. You would have to be a dumbass in a musical sense to like this ****. Its horrible, simple and extremely corny... Imagine eating rotten food all your life. This crappy music is like rotten food, once you eat good food the rotten food is just horrible. It pains me to hear it, as alcohol is the only way to make it SOMEWHAT likable. I try too hard to be "normal" but ive always known that I haven't been since middle school.

I just realized now im not a clubber, im not that ****ing ******ed. Im sorry if I offend anyone but dancing/grinding to horrible music is not a good reflection of ones intellect. I dont care if your getting ****ing 90s in school, there's more to intellect than school. Its my personal opinion that talking with people is a lot more fun than going out to a club and dancing.The place was littered with dumb blondes and guys who think theyre the ****. No wonder STDs are so rampid... there are so many idiots out there its not funny. I walk around and listen to people speak and im just thinking... "Omg can they be serious? How dumb of a person does one have to be to actually listen to such a ****** let alone believe them?".

Of course this is a rant I made after a crappy night. Im just wondering what realistic people do for a night out?

BTW if your going to argue with me about how going to a club and listening to crappy music represents idiocy (at least musically) dont bother as the fun gained from clubs is an foreign to me as how one can conceptualize gravity and its properties in a geocentric-accepted solar system. Ive tried to have fun at a club but I cant. Im outgoing just not club-friendly. IIm entitled to an opinion and im not trying to convince people otherwise, its just my view upon the world.

[mikey4402]

i didnt read all of your post becaue im drunk and the words are going together. i agree with you on the music. and because of the music i no longer go to clubs. Now if there was an 80s night or something i might go.


when i go out. i like to eeitehr go to dive bars/pubs or get fancied up and go to an up scale martini bar of sorts. I cant go from one to the other, i have to have set mind frame.

cheers

[tomv]

Firstly though I've never studied music I do not believe that music has to be complex to be good. Rock and roll wasn't necessarily that complex when it got off the ground, neither is a lot of Blues stuff... But man is it good. If you don't like it that's groovy though.

I usually don't like clubs either. A bunch of people trying to be hot and cool and **** is all I really see most of the time however some night I do just seem to really enjoy myself and have a lot of fun. My lack of drinking alcohol may have something to do with it.

I prefer Pubs to Clubs to be honest. Can still be out and about in a more adult environment yet you can chat with friends and not have to put up with as many dickheads. Not everyone likes clubs, you are not alone. :)

I personally feel you may be getting a bit too fired up perhaps but your views are yours to have I guess.

[drew]

You should have gotten into it. At least when there's a fight in the club it's halfway interesting. Plus, the bouncers get to hurt someone.

I'm so glad this part of my life has ended. It's mentally and physically draining.

So... you wanna go to the club tomorrow night?

[-Superman-]

I like clubbing. I am actually clubbing Friday and Saturday night this weekend hehe. I'd be grinnnnnnnnnndinnn' - The Clipse

[Unholy]

Sounds like you didn't take your Ecstasy before going out.

Shame on you.

[BilltheButcher]

Go to a pub something more laid back. I always felt that the people who go to pubs were a little more down to earth, were there to drink, have a relaxing evening and meet some interesting people. Granted the chicks aren't always the hottest but there are always a few.

As for the clubs, I don't get the dancing guy. I don't have a bunch of guy friends that call me up on Friday or Saturday night and say lets go dance our arses off tonight at the club. However, I did have a bunch of guy friends that would say lets go to the club and pick up some chicks.

I personally didn't like the club much, since I use to have a chip on my shoulder about getting disrespected, so any little thing would set me off and I couldn't let it go and therefore the rest of the evening I would be looking for things to piss me off more and I couldn't have a good time and so my entire evening was ruined and I would come home with no chick b/c I sat around the club looking pissed off and would have to get on the internet and vent in a forum about how much I hate clubs.

[Genacide]

I like the music at strip clubs..... o ya and the hot wings.

[growthrep]

Go to a pub something more laid back. I always felt that the people who go to pubs were a little more down to earth, were there to drink, have a relaxing evening and meet some interesting people. Granted the chicks aren't always the hottest but there are always a few.

As for the clubs, I don't get the dancing guy. I don't have a bunch of guy friends that call me up on Friday or Saturday night and say lets go dance our arses off tonight at the club. However, I did have a bunch of guy friends that would say lets go to the club and pick up some chicks.

I personally didn't like the club much, since I use to have a chip on my shoulder about getting disrespected, so any little thing would set me off and I couldn't let it go and therefore the rest of the evening I would be looking for things to piss me off more and I couldn't have a good time and so my entire evening was ruined and I would come home with no chick b/c I sat around the club looking pissed off and would have to get on the internet and vent in a forum about how much I hate clubs.


Bill and OP, totally agree with both of you.

Just saw your sig, bill. ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!! But why no flyes PR?

[Invain]

Did you try getting out there and havin a good time? I realize your night was ****ed so you probably didn't care anymore, but I'm not the dancing type and even I can get into the mood at a club.

Sure, the music isn't the type I'd ever listen to, but damn BF, not sure what you expected. I can't see poeple dancing and grinding to rock. It doesn't take intelligence to go dance, who cares what the music sounds like.

[clipse]

I like clubbing. I am actually clubbing Friday and Saturday night this weekend hehe. I'd be grinnnnnnnnnndinnn' - The Clipse

I never said that. :D

[blackboard]

You sure some guy didn't steal your girl BFGUITAR?

[Cirino83]

yea I agree clubs do suck....if you don't like gettin laid

[Unholy]

Not now Chief, I'm in the *****in zone.

Yea my collar is popped, cause I'm the man and everyone has to know it.

[BFGUITAR]

Did you try getting out there and havin a good time? I realize your night was ****ed so you probably didn't care anymore, but I'm not the dancing type and even I can get into the mood at a club.

Sure, the music isn't the type I'd ever listen to, but damn BF, not sure what you expected. I can't see poeple dancing and grinding to rock. It doesn't take intelligence to go dance, who cares what the music sounds like.

It was my friend's bday and he wanted me to go out with him, I didnt want to say no for selfish reasons. I knew I wouldnt have fun but I didnt expect it to be a crappy night.

The thing is, I care. This may sound arrogant but after studying music, simple "catchy" rhythms that you hear at clubs just dont thrill me. I cant get into the music. I know no one can grind to rock, but im not asking them to. Im just looking at the situation and wondering how people can do what they do, nothing more.

[jdeity]

yea I agree clubs do suck....if you don't like gettin laid
great summation, seriously. It seems a great place to go to get girls (drunk, easy girls especially), but for someone like me who is engaged it always seems completely pointless. I go, overpay like crazy for drinks, people usually try to start fights with me, and then I go home - quite boring. I could definitely see it in a different light if I was single tho


It was my friend's bday and he wanted me to go out with him, I didnt want to say no for selfish reasons. I knew I wouldnt have fun but I didnt expect it to be a crappy night.

The thing is, I care. This may sound arrogant but after studying music, simple "catchy" rhythms that you hear at clubs just dont thrill me. I cant get into the music. I know no one can grind to rock, but im not asking them to. Im just looking at the situation and wondering how people can do what they do, nothing more.
I could be wrong, but I don't think going for the music is really high up on anyone's list.

[blackboard]

I could be wrong, but I don't think going for the music is really high up on anyone's list.

:withstupi:

[Hatred]

Likewise. However I agree BFG. I spent three years watching the mechanics of how a club works from (mostly) sober bouncer's perspective. It's nauseating. Learn,Adapt, get ass elsewhere.

[BigCorey75]

you may just not be a club person.

plus u gotta find one with better music as well.


the older i get the more im becoming a fan of bars with good music, but from time to time you gotta go out and cut that rug a litte, just try and find one that has better music and a better environment ive been in clubs like that before, and yeah it is pretty ridiculous. the only thing left to do in a situation like that is get **** faced drunk and try to get laid by some dumb blonde and make it in well hopefully then go home and think about what you just did...lol

[McVein]

Clubs are fun, Im hitting it up tonight.

[GuitarGuru]

Im 18 and am just hitting the college scene but wtf is up with this obsession with going to clubs. Thats all anyone ever does...i want to blow my brains out after 10 minutes of being there. Not to mention if you do find someone to talk to you cant hear them half of the time so you just nod in agreement at anything. I am not single but still even if i was I dont think a club is where id find girls at. Im sorry but anyhting but breakdancing ( i cant i just think its badass) is so boring to me and coupled with the music and wasted idiots reverberating throughout the places, Id rather jam with a couple of friends or pwn teh n00bz (haha) in some COD4. Oh, and work out of course!:strong:

[Hatred]

Because it's shooting fish in a barrel as far as getting laid goes.

[Mission]

Go bowling with a couple of your buddies dude.

http://image.guim.co.uk/Guardian/arts/gallery/2007/jul/22/comedy.films/big_lebowski_kobal-3262.jpg

If you do it regularly you become good and can compete in tournaments.

(Granted, a bowling ally is not the best place to go if all you're doing is looking to pick up ass).

[jdeity]

Because it's shooting fish in a barrel as far as getting laid goes.
exactly. If I were looking for an easy lay I'd have little doubt I wouldn't hit my goal at a club lol.

Being engaged makes it seem utterly pointless to me. At best, I'd overpay and get drunk, at worst I'd overpay, get drunk, and get my ass beat lol.


Go bowling with a couple of your buddies dude.

http://image.guim.co.uk/Guardian/arts/gallery/2007/jul/22/comedy.films/big_lebowski_kobal-3262.jpg

If you do it regularly you become good and can compete in tournaments.

(Granted, a bowling ally is not the best place to go if all you're doing is looking to pick up ass).

****ing awesome!!

[bjohnso]

I've never been to a club, and probably never will. That lifestyle is incredibly unappealing to me.

[Cirino83]

^^ I'm the opposite...I like drinking...I like looking for girls...I like dancing (only when I'm loaded and think I dance good) I generally like the music (mostly when I'm drunk)....I like drunk girls if I'm looking for fun for the night...it's extremely easy to meet girls at a club whereas a bar you haveto approach them and initiate conversation. A club you dance near them, then on them...if they take bang there is your conversation starter...if not...do a circle off her to the next one :D

[Ockhams_Razor]

seems like almost everyone on here hates clubs. i for one love going to them, but there is a catch. it sounds like you guys have found the ****ty ones. i'm in college and there are tons of clubs/bars around here, and i only go to a few. most are filled with idiots, and i get in fights everytime i go to those, not cause of me, but drunk frat idiots think they can fight with a guy who works out. but honeslty you just gotta find the ones that are good, and go with a fun group of people, that makes all the differance.

not to mention, friends that can back you up in a fight would be a good addition.

[BG5150]

(Granted, a bowling ally is not the best place to go if all you're doing is looking to pick up ass).
It is if you like picking up big, white-trashy chicks who could probably out-drink you.

(Although, one of the hottest one night stands I had was a chick I met in a bowling alley. Well, the bar at the bowling alley. Not sure if she was bowling that nite.)

[Jorge Sanchez]

I like going to clubs. I only have a couple problems with them:

1) The drunken idiots who try to start a fight over everything. I can here to have a good time, not to fight. I know you think fighting will impress some girls, but it won't.

2) The drunken idiots who swarm girls on the dance floor. If I'm dancing with a girl, you're not invited to come over and grind with/on us.

And come to think of it, (3) girls who think they are better than everyone just because their shirt plunges down to their belly button. I guess you could call it a love-hate relationship...

It depends on what kind of mood I'm in, but clubs can be a lot of fun.

[WBBIRL]

Some of you need to lighten up. You go to these places to have a good time, go to ones where you know you will have a good time. I went to one and I didn't even drink (but I was there with a lovely young lady) and I had an amazing time. It was a sports bar type deal, with a live DJ playing all kinds of music. Then we went to her house and enjoyed a hot tub.

If clubs of any kind, as hard as it is to imagine, don't appeal to you... then find something that does. Life's too short to be focused on being pissed off all the time. You can if you want to though, no one is going to stop you.

[jdeity]

Life's too short to be focused on being pissed off all the time.

is that verbatim from american history x?

[-Superman-]

is that verbatim from american history x?

Yaya (wrote ya twice because 4 characters were required)

[BFGUITAR]

Your right im not a club person at all. I just dont know how to have fun.

[-Superman-]

Your right im not a club person at all. I just dont know how to have fun.

Next time start off with a LIT, then slow down to some screwdrivers and then some domestic beer. If you reach the beer, you will be dancing with everyone. If you don't reach the beer, you will still be getting crunk!

[Phenom]

This ass is going out tonight, maybe to a club...maybe to a night club

[Keith]

Can't stand 'em. Piss me off like nothing else. The amount of 'tuff' guys that put more effort in looking like a thug then they'll put into their career just blows me away. Far too many, in Toronto and my area at least. Even in the line up, I go crazy listening to the conversations certain people have and the attitudes they have. I have no patients for that anymore.

But as someone else has mentioned, higher class clubs/bars while you get all dressed up and feeling like a million bucks is where it's at, with the right friends of course. I like doing that. And that is where you can find yourself a real woman.. or real ass.

[Keith]

You miss that ass? That's the ass of a free man.


This ass is going out tonight, maybe to a club...maybe to a night club

[VikingWarlord]

I'm not a club kind of guy. I know that may come as a shock to some. That said, I went last March with some of these wingnuts and had a hell of a good time. Granted, I can't remember much of the first night, but I stepped outside my comfort zone and had a blast just chilling and watching people do their thing.

BF, sounds like you went to a ****ty place. If you've only been to one place and automatically say everything sucks based on that one experience, that's pretty narrow minded thinking. It's precisely the same sort of twisted-ass logic that's the basis for any sort of bigotry, a prejudice based on a statistically insignificant sample.

In addition, questioning the intellect of people that like to go listen to club music and dance is pretty lame and makes you seem like a grade A prick. That kind of thing can happen when you've had a ****ty night and that's why you shouldn't post when you're angry.

[MrWebb78]

Likewise. However I agree BFG. I spent three years watching the mechanics of how a club works from (mostly) sober bouncer's perspective. It's nauseating. Learn,Adapt, get ass elsewhere.

where did/do you bounce at?

[bjohnso]

Your right im not a club person at all. I just dont know how to have fun.

Yes you do. What you think is fun doesn't necessarily mean others will find it entertaining. There's nothing wrong with that.

[GuitarGuru]

is that verbatim from american history x?

It is funny you bring up that movie. I watched it last night with my gf. Edward Norton is so badass in it. What a great movie. The curb stomp though....that smartz. :bash:

oh and just to make this post on topic: I can see how clubs are appealing but they are not appealing to me. I think that makes sense. Id rather go rockclimbing or canoing with my gf.

[Rock]

I can be a club guy, if its a good club with good music and the atmosphere is great.

If its a cheap ass club for trashy people, I hate it.

[WBBIRL]

Your right im not a club person at all. I just dont know how to have fun.

Just lighten up man, and let it go. Chill out and go be happy however it is you get happy. Being angry is one thing, but coming on the intraweb to express that is not only anger but work on top of it!

So the bar/club scene isn't for you and thats ok. Everyone doesn't have to love/like everything.

[BFGUITAR]

I'm not a club kind of guy. I know that may come as a shock to some. That said, I went last March with some of these wingnuts and had a hell of a good time. Granted, I can't remember much of the first night, but I stepped outside my comfort zone and had a blast just chilling and watching people do their thing.

BF, sounds like you went to a ****ty place. If you've only been to one place and automatically say everything sucks based on that one experience, that's pretty narrow minded thinking. It's precisely the same sort of twisted-ass logic that's the basis for any sort of bigotry, a prejudice based on a statistically insignificant sample.

In addition, questioning the intellect of people that like to go listen to club music and dance is pretty lame and makes you seem like a grade A prick. That kind of thing can happen when you've had a ****ty night and that's why you shouldn't post when you're angry.

Insignificant sample? Im talking population, not sample. Ive had one ****ty night after the other. I went to a bar, met this girl who led me on the whole night to shut me out. I got over it really fast as girls are idiots. Three weeks later she wanted me to speak to her afterwards but she was just playing again. I cant even visit my old don at his place because I really dont want to see her (shes on his floor). Than I met another girl whos friend said she wanted to speak to me, but again it was a complete joke. This combined with pretty crappy nights over and over all at different clubs. Is it me? Very well could be and am inclined to think it is. But my actions shouldnt be the reason why im getting led on by girls I meet at clubs. Statistically things are ****ty but im not one to give up.

Perhaps I was over zealous about the music and intellect thing. I like music that makes me think as well as feel. I view dance music as something physical. I listen to it and am thinking "Ok its a cool beat... but what else is there?". I cant relate to it very well as its not the type of music I am exposed to. Everyone sees the dumbasses at the clubs who think theyre the ****... these are the kinds of people who like this music. Im just putting two and two together.

[jdeity]

It is funny you bring up that movie. I watched it last night with my gf. Edward Norton is so badass in it. What a great movie. The curb stomp though....that smartz. :bash:

oh and just to make this post on topic: I can see how clubs are appealing but they are not appealing to me. I think that makes sense. Id rather go rockclimbing or canoing with my gf.

ya that movie is right up there in my favorites!

I noticed you mentioned a gf - same reason here I'd rather do a night watching whatever movie I want in my own personal movie theater at home than go and spend much more on booze, likely get in a fight (and hopefully win or not get beaten too badly - for some reason people start with me, likely because I'm short / don't look big with clothes lol. Also been told I give off a conceded/dickhead vibe at times). I'd so much rather take it easy and do fun **** with my fiance, but I'm not a club hater per se. If I were single I'd love to just go grab girls and feel like a pimp lol, but at this point there's just nothing redeeming about clubs to us. If the situation ends up with us at one, I basically just try to get **** faced so that if **** goes down I'll either be crazy enough to win, or not feel myself get trampled :thumbup:

[jdeity]

Being angry is one thing, but coming on the intraweb to express that is not only anger but work on top of it!


seldom disagree with anything you say, but sometimes it's good to vent ****, especially if most of his friends love clubs and he's the only one who doesn't. The work of posting probably lessened some of the anger.

[BFGUITAR]

bjohnso, I meant in a club setting but thanks anyways :)

A lot of my friends do like clubbing, I really need to find a place with live good music... Music that isnt blaring and annoying. I do enjoy jazz, but jazz bars are quite seldom and are geared towards older people.

Or I can try something else... as a chemist I love experimenting even though most of the time I know the result. But sometimes the result isnt what you expected, and this is when things get interesting. Im the same with life in a sense... Im friends with one of those pimps who party 4-5 times a week, has sex with random girls left right and center. Its definitely not a lifestyle I want, but he may have something to offer me, insight. I know what the result will be, I will probably just reassure the fact that im not a clubber and not compatible (in a party sense) with the types of people who love it. But who knows? I may discover something I didnt realize before.

[VikingWarlord]

Insignificant sample? Im talking population, not sample. Ive had one ****ty night after the other. I went to a bar, met this girl who led me on the whole night to shut me out. I got over it really fast as girls are idiots. Three weeks later she wanted me to speak to her afterwards but she was just playing again. I cant even visit my old don at his place because I really dont want to see her (shes on his floor). Than I met another girl whos friend said she wanted to speak to me, but again it was a complete joke. This combined with pretty crappy nights over and over all at different clubs. Is it me? Very well could be and am inclined to think it is. But my actions shouldnt be the reason why im getting led on by girls I meet at clubs. Statistically things are ****ty but im not one to give up.

That's why I made the "if" statement. If you've been out a lot and consistently don't have fun, then it's not for you. It sounds like you've got expectations that you know won't be met, so are just setting yourself up to get angry.

The women thing...you just need to get some game. Follow the Tao of Steve. Be desireless, be excellent, be gone. Genuinely don't give a **** and you can get broads willing to lick your shadow off the sidewalk.


Perhaps I was over zealous about the music and intellect thing. I like music that makes me think as well as feel. I view dance music as something physical. I listen to it and am thinking "Ok its a cool beat... but what else is there?". I cant relate to it very well as its not the type of music I am exposed to. Everyone sees the dumbasses at the clubs who think theyre the ****... these are the kinds of people who like this music. Im just putting two and two together.

A lot of people like a lot of music for a lot of reasons, so again I say don't single out an entire group based on a few people, because you're still talking a sample, not an entire population. You speak about an entire population in absolutes and one deviant will destroy your entire argument.

There are people that listen to all kinds of music that are egotistical pricks. Punk, classical, heavy metal, hip hop, Intellectual snobbery is the exact same thing, bro, and that's what you're exhibiting by insinuating that dance music and the people that like it are beneath you. Dance music is meant to be felt, not heard as such. It's meant to cause a primal physical reaction, not an intellectual one. Ok, you're not a club guy. Fair enough, I wouldn't dream about going to any of those kinds of places around here. I'd be willing to go again in Columbus in March because that was a hell of a fun time but it's not something I'm going to do every Friday night.

Get some friends that want to hang at a pool hall or a sports bar or a neighborhood pub or something besides a dance club. Just chill, do what you do, let other people do what they do. Your quality of life will improve, and if what you want to do isn't the same as what other people want to do, c'est la vie.

The main thing is don't sweat it. Save the sweat for the gym.

[VikingWarlord]

But who knows? I may discover something I didnt realize before.

These last two lines express absolutely the right attitude to have. Step outside your comfort zone, toss your preconceptions about what might happen, accept whatever comes, and just let yourself do things you might not otherwise do. More often than not, you'll be happy with the outcome as long as you really let go.

[BilltheButcher]

This ass is going out tonight, maybe to a club...maybe to a night club


You miss that ass? That's the ass of a free man.

You know how I know you guys are gay because you both macramed each other a pair of jean shorts.

[vrizzle]

Im not old enough to go to clubs yet but I already know they're not me.

I feel ya OP with the music thing. I listen to rap, (everyone comes out of the woodworks and bashes rap being legitimately music and the like) but all the rap I listen to is either old or will never be played in a club. The stuff that will get played is basically complete garbage and nauseating to listen to, ex. soulja boy.

I am a music student myself and I enjoy many genres that many my age have no idea exist, ex. they would likely call music from Baroque to Romantic just "classical", though in a sense they wouldn't really be wrong.

I forgot where I was going with this but basically I know I'll prolly never like clubs and I could see myself disliking them for the same reasons as you. (OP)

[TwiloMike]

I was at a club tonight and just had one horrible experience after another. I dont want to say exactly what they were as it pisses me off every time I think about it. I got **** from someonethere and just wanted to give him what he deserved. I know for a fact that it was good that I didnt as getting charged with assault is never a good idea, but feeling dissatisfied is horrible. As well there was some stupid girl issues. But tonight has deterred me from every going to a ****ing club again.
Meh. Perhaps an adjustment of expectations, a better choice of venue, or better luck are in order. Let's see what the rest of the post reveals besides high drama.


I dont understand what people like about it anyways... Im too ****ing analytical when it comes to music anyways that the music just sounds like COMPLETE FREAKIN ASS.
What kind of music was it? Different clubs have different kinds of music, you know, and not every DJ is equally skilled.


You would have to be a dumbass in a musical sense to like this ****.
Hold the indignity wagon, pls. Just because you don't like it or don't get it doesn't mean that it's ****. Music taste is subjective, bro.


Its horrible, simple and extremely corny... Imagine eating rotten food all your life. This crappy music is like rotten food, once you eat good food the rotten food is just horrible. It pains me to hear it, as alcohol is the only way to make it SOMEWHAT likable. I try too hard to be "normal" but ive always known that I haven't been since middle school.
Again, whom were you listening to? You are very much coming across as an outsider who knows nothing about a certain industry/activity, accidentally stumbles on a ****ty example, and are disavowing the entire industry/activity due to your own ignorance. It's not an uncommon thing to do, but you're doing it (fyi).


I just realized now im not a clubber, im not that ****ing ******ed. Im sorry if I offend anyone but dancing/grinding to horrible music is not a good reflection of ones intellect.
Neither is being a whiny bitch. So you're not a clubber, as though you have a firm grasp on what a clubber is (in a general sense). You lack experience, but thanks for your underinformed opinion.

Do you think that I lack intellect?


I dont care if your getting ****ing 90s in school, there's more to intellect than school. Its my personal opinion that talking with people is a lot more fun than going out to a club and dancing.
Learn to dance, go with friends, and don't go if that particular music scene isn't something that you enjoy. You tried it, you don't like it, don't do it again or be the analytical genius that you are and try clubbing in a different way to a different music type and with a different crowd. I don't see why you are brining intellect into this.


The place was littered with dumb blondes and guys who think theyre the ****.
Try a different crowd. I highly recommend gay and mixed crowd clubs as they are typically known for better music and a much more fun and relaxed clubbing experience.


No wonder STDs are so rampid... there are so many idiots out there its not funny.
Correlate and assume much? You're not exactly showing intellect in this post so far. You are showing plenty of snobbishness, however.


I walk around and listen to people speak and im just thinking... "Omg can they be serious? How dumb of a person does one have to be to actually listen to such a ****** let alone believe them?".
LOL some people get by on being pretty. It's not a new phenomenon.


Of course this is a rant I made after a crappy night. Im just wondering what realistic people do for a night out?
Go to a club, have a great time with friends and whoever I happen to meet, recover the following day. :)


BTW if your going to argue with me about how going to a club and listening to crappy music represents idiocy (at least musically) dont bother as the fun gained from clubs is an foreign to me as how one can conceptualize gravity and its properties in a geocentric-accepted solar system. Ive tried to have fun at a club but I cant. Im outgoing just not club-friendly. IIm entitled to an opinion and im not trying to convince people otherwise, its just my view upon the world.
I don't care whether you like clubs or not. What I take issue with is your hurling of insults at club goers as I am one of them. The insults were personal and entirely uncalled for.

[TwiloMike]

I'm not a club kind of guy. I know that may come as a shock to some. That said, I went last March with some of these wingnuts and had a hell of a good time. Granted, I can't remember much of the first night, but I stepped outside my comfort zone and had a blast just chilling and watching people do their thing.

BF, sounds like you went to a ****ty place. If you've only been to one place and automatically say everything sucks based on that one experience, that's pretty narrow minded thinking. It's precisely the same sort of twisted-ass logic that's the basis for any sort of bigotry, a prejudice based on a statistically insignificant sample.

In addition, questioning the intellect of people that like to go listen to club music and dance is pretty lame and makes you seem like a grade A prick. That kind of thing can happen when you've had a ****ty night and that's why you shouldn't post when you're angry.
Haha Jesse said everything that I said. Awesome!

[Bikkstah]

Clubs suck, 1000 "my new haircut" dudes running around. I prefer a bar with the game on TV and a pint.

[TwiloMike]

Insignificant sample? Im talking population, not sample. Ive had one ****ty night after the other. I went to a bar, met this girl who led me on the whole night to shut me out.
Hey, Mr. Analysis, what are your thoughts on judgments tainted by unrelated unpleasant experiences?


I got over it really fast as girls are idiots.
Ooohhh... respect for women and a fierce showing of intellect! :clap:


Three weeks later she wanted me to speak to her afterwards but she was just playing again. I cant even visit my old don at his place because I really dont want to see her (shes on his floor).
So much for getting over it "really fast". :rolleyes:


Than I met another girl whos friend said she wanted to speak to me, but again it was a complete joke. This combined with pretty crappy nights over and over all at different clubs. Is it me? Very well could be and am inclined to think it is. But my actions shouldnt be the reason why im getting led on by girls I meet at clubs. Statistically things are ****ty but im not one to give up.
What makes your nights at clubs crappy besides girl trouble? It seems to me that your expectations could use a tune up. At clubs, bars, gyms, schools, and everywhere else that people interact, there are connections made and broken. Don't take it out on clubs that you are experiencing common social phenomena found everywhere in life.


Perhaps I was over zealous about the music and intellect thing. I like music that makes me think as well as feel. I view dance music as something physical. I listen to it and am thinking "Ok its a cool beat... but what else is there?". I cant relate to it very well as its not the type of music I am exposed to. Everyone sees the dumbasses at the clubs who think theyre the ****... these are the kinds of people who like this music. Im just putting two and two together.
What makes the people who like dance music "dumbasses"? What kind of dance music have you been listening to? Served up by which DJs? I like house music, more specifically progressive/tribal/vocal/NY house. In me it evokes an emotional response and I love it. It moves me more than just physically, and the artful mixing that my favorite DJs perform is very much an exercise in artistry and intellect imo.

[Mission]

Aside from bowling, how about a biker bar where you can play some good billiards?

[BFGUITAR]

I dont think ive ever been to a club where I liked the music. I would like to hear a DJ mix music, would be interesting and I can clearly see the intellect involved in improvising with mixing equipment. Although I do not have enough knowledge in that specific style to make a concrete judgment.

And Twilo, just because music is subjective doesnt mean a person cant be musically stupid. Ever since I was a kid "pop" music never appealed to me. When I listened to Bach my mind opened up. Its pretty obvious that Bach is more complex than pop and/or dance music. I needed more to feel music, others may not. Take that at face value.

Respect for women? I dont like following the lifestyle of a clubber in respect for women. Perhaps I should have worded differently.. rather than "are" I really meant "can". I was speaking in context.

Music I listen to? I listen to different styles for different reasons but they all share the same thing, emotion and depth.

Blues- In blues people express their soul and what they truly feel. A guitarist's riffs are lyrical as if a person was singing. Large vibratos in the voice with repetition to make their statement.

Classical, Baroque...- Speaks for itself theres so much going on that I often lose myslelf.

Flamenco- Can be considered the blues of Spain in a sense. Improvising on simple chord progressions but changing it up to keep it interesting. This is exciting dance music with soul and depth, something which lacks today in dance music IMO.

[HahnB]

Aside from bowling, how about a biker bar where you can play some good billiards?

My entire purpose in going out is to be around women. I never understood the guys that go to these bars. I go where the good looking women are, there's no reason to go anywhere else.

[nhlfan]

And Twilo, just because music is subjective doesnt mean a person cant be musically stupid. Ever since I was a kid "pop" music never appealed to me. When I listened to Bach my mind opened up. Its pretty obvious that Bach is more complex than pop and/or dance music. I needed more to feel music, others may not. Take that at face value.


I hate to be a dick, but fine. Swirl your brandy, sit in your easy chair, and masturbate to the complex and "musically superior" Bach. Stay out of the clubs, no one is forcing you to go.

I'll agree, most pop is crap, but your attitude is even crappier.

[BilltheButcher]

I dont think ive ever been to a club where I liked the music. I would like to hear a DJ mix music, would be interesting and I can clearly see the intellect involved in improvising with mixing equipment. Although I do not have enough knowledge in that specific style to make a concrete judgment.

Dude, come on. Now your just getting crazy. You've been to more then one club obviously, you can go to any club across the country and they are all playing the same stuff. You either like it or you don't. I really don't think people go to a club, where girls putting on there come F me gear and the dudes try to find their tightest tshirt, and decide they are going to analyze why playing Akon right before Justin Timberlake ruins the flow of the evening. They're there to get down and have fun. If that isn't your scene don't go, if you ahve to go, know what your getting into do shots and have fun.

Life is what you make of it, if you want to get pissed off over the little things your in for a crappy ride.

[Stumprrp]

Personally i dont feel id be one for a club also, my girlfriend and some of my friends want to go to one when they are home from college this thanksgiving break but i really dont want to go, ill probably go just for her and to kick some ass if she gets hit on, i have a slight jealousy issue but only if i were to see a guy hitting on her haha...but anyways back on topic...

honestly dude try some upscale coffee shops, there ALWAYS some slamming college chicks that will deffinatly talk to you and its a nice relaxing place.

[Cirino83]

My entire purpose in going out is to be around women. I never understood the guys that go to these bars. I go where the good looking women are, there's no reason to go anywhere else.

This man speaks the truth. The only time I intentionally go somewhere where there is a good chance it's a sausage fest is when sporting events are on (UFC) or during the week if I just want to get an appetizer and a drink.

[TwiloMike]

I dont think ive ever been to a club where I liked the music. I would like to hear a DJ mix music, would be interesting and I can clearly see the intellect involved in improvising with mixing equipment. Although I do not have enough knowledge in that specific style to make a concrete judgment.
Come out to NYC and I'll take you to some good clubs.


And Twilo, just because music is subjective doesnt mean a person cant be musically stupid.
True. However, you didn't call people "musically stupid" in your posts earlier. You bashed people's intelligence in general.


Ever since I was a kid "pop" music never appealed to me. When I listened to Bach my mind opened up. Its pretty obvious that Bach is more complex than pop and/or dance music. I needed more to feel music, others may not. Take that at face value.
Bach is vintage pop music. Yes, he's more complex, yes, I like Bach and many other classical composers, but when going to a night club that plays dance music why would you even try to compare it to Bach? This is what I meant when I said that your expectations need adjustment: when you go to a one-man comedy show, don't get all pissed off for not getting a huge multi-actor musical production.

Also, your reaction about your mind opening up- not everyone's mind opens up with the same stimulus. This has nothing to do with musical stupidity.


Respect for women? I dont like following the lifestyle of a clubber in respect for women.
That doesn't even make sense. Did you mean that you don't think that clubbers respect women or did you mean that you don't respect women who are clubbers?


Perhaps I should have worded differently.. rather than "are" I really meant "can". I was speaking in context.
Attempt at backpedaling #2. You may have meant something different that what you wrote: you clearly made a blanket statement about women. You did not apply context in the post where that comment about women appeared, and you weren't even truthful in the claim that you get over women quickly... seeing how you right after that wrote about being bitter enough about a girl's lack of interest that you can't even visit your friend with whom she shares and apartment.


Music I listen to? I listen to different styles for different reasons but they all share the same thing, emotion and depth.
Try some house music as mixed by Junior Vasquez. Plenty of emotion and depth.


Blues- In blues people express their soul and what they truly feel. A guitarist's riffs are lyrical as if a person was singing. Large vibratos in the voice with repetition to make their statement.
Dance music very much makes a statement, even if it's a statement you don't care to hear. DJs express their mood, their feeling toward the crowd, they push the crowd along or calm it down (the manipulation can be masterful or juvenile) with their beats and choice of tracks. Listening to a DJ shouldn't be judged by one song but by the entire set.


Classical, Baroque...- Speaks for itself theres so much going on that I often lose myslelf.
So "more = better"?


Flamenco- Can be considered the blues of Spain in a sense. Improvising on simple chord progressions but changing it up to keep it interesting. This is exciting dance music with soul and depth, something which lacks today in dance music IMO.
You haven't been exposed to good dance music IMO.

[RedSpikeyThing]

I'm not a fan of clubs either. Not only am I incapable of dancing, I don't like trying. That makes it really hard to be comfortable in a club and if I'm going for a good time, I want to relax and be comfortable. That said, I've had some good nights at clubs, although they generally involved a ton of alcohol.

Someone mentioned finding a club with a gay/mixed crowd. I accidently (I swear!) ended up at a campus club on "Gay Bash" and it was possibly one of the greatest club experiences I've had. Aside from the different varieties of music, the crowd was awesome and everyone was super friendly. On the intellect note, I ended up in a philosopical debate with a very drunk lesbian. And no, not like the lesbians in the movies, a REAL lesbian :(

Anyways, it's all about finding somewhere you feel comfortable. I gurantee there are women with similar tastes to you and they'll be found at the venues you like. It sounds like a lounge may be more up your ally - somewhere with a dance floor, but lots of places to chill too.

FYI I've heard of a couple of good young(ish) jazz bars in Toronto, but can't think of what they are off the top of my head..

[TwiloMike]

Dude, come on. Now your just getting crazy. You've been to more then one club obviously, you can go to any club across the country and they are all playing the same stuff.
There are hip-hop clubs, house clubs, trance clubs, techno clubs, pop clubs, drum & base clubs, trip-hop clubs, etc., and none of those sound anything alike. These have their own sub-genres also: not every house club is the same- the music you'll hear in a house club is different by region of the country, by DJ, by crowd, etc. When someone says "I went to a club and I never want to go again" it means they don't understand and maybe don't care to understand the finer points and distinctions between clubs and this kind of music. I don't go to "clubs", I go to hear specific DJs, and the experience is never the same twice because a DJs set is a live performance.

[BilltheButcher]

There are hip-hop clubs, house clubs, trance clubs, techno clubs, pop clubs, drum & base clubs, trip-hop clubs, etc., and none of those sound anything alike. These have their own sub-genres also: not every house club is the same- the music you'll hear in a house club is different by region of the country, by DJ, by crowd, etc. When someone says "I went to a club and I never want to go again" it means they don't understand and maybe don't care to understand the finer points and distinctions between clubs and this kind of music. I don't go to "clubs", I go to hear specific DJs, and the experience is never the same twice because a DJs set is a live performance.

You live in NYC.

Come to Syracuse. Also I got a wife and two kids so I haven't gone to a club in probably 8 years.

[HahnB]

There are hip-hop clubs, house clubs, trance clubs, techno clubs, pop clubs, drum & base clubs, trip-hop clubs, etc., and none of those sound anything alike. These have their own sub-genres also: not every house club is the same- the music you'll hear in a house club is different by region of the country, by DJ, by crowd, etc. When someone says "I went to a club and I never want to go again" it means they don't understand and maybe don't care to understand the finer points and distinctions between clubs and this kind of music. I don't go to "clubs", I go to hear specific DJs, and the experience is never the same twice because a DJs set is a live performance.

Speaking of NYC, have you ever been to the Manor?
(http://www.manornyc.com/) It's probably my favorite spot so far in the city that I've been to so far. I think all the best spots are in the meat packing district.

[jdeity]

I really don't think people go to a club, where girls putting on there come F me gear and the dudes try to find their tightest tshirt, and decide they are going to analyze why playing Akon right before Justin Timberlake ruins the flow of the evening.

****ing LOL

[TwiloMike]

You live in NYC.
I party there, that's for sure. :)


Come to Syracuse.
Haha no thanks.


Also I got a wife and two kids so I haven't gone to a club in probably 8 years.
I hear ya. I don't now how Syracuse was 8 years ago but in NYC the clubs scene was as diverse as I described it in my earlier post. I really don't know what it's like to live really far from a place with good night life.

[TwiloMike]

Speaking of NYC, have you ever been to the Manor?
(http://www.manornyc.com/) It's probably my favorite spot so far in the city that I've been to so far. I think all the best spots are in the meat packing district.

I've heard of it but haven't been there. It's more of a lunge than a club, though. Right? My top spot in the Meatpacking District is Cielo (when Junior or Boris spin there). The Manor is very low capacity (< 500 people). I still prefer partying at the former Crobar or Roxy (1500+ capacity clubs). I love seeing a huge dancefloor packed with partiers (mostly male). Crobar is supposed to reopen under a different name, I forget which. It's like the invasion of the Miami clubs... lol.

[CrazyK]

Strip Club > Dance Club

[KingWilder]

all I saw was

whine whine whine bitch bitch bitch

[BilltheButcher]

I party there, that's for sure. :)


Haha no thanks.


I hear ya. I don't now how Syracuse was 8 years ago but in NYC the clubs scene was as diverse as I described it in my earlier post. I really don't know what it's like to live really far from a place with good night life.

Ya, I lived in Hoboken for about two years. So, I'm not against clubs, hell I worked in them for a big part of my life, all I was trying to point out to him that whereever he is unless he's in a decent size city, most likely its the same crap and you got to make the best of it and you don't go to clubs to listen to the music, or at least I don't. I'm not real big into getting in my car or flipping on my IPOD and hearing, boom, boom, boom, boom.

Ya, in Syracuse there isn't much variety from what people tell me. But its a pretty ok city to raise a family, but my wife and I love NYC and visit at least 3-4 times a year, tough to get away from the kids though. Gonna be hitting FAO Schwarz and going to see the Xmas Tree in a couple of weeks.

[BFGUITAR]

Honestly I would like to go to a good club. It may not be for me but I would try it.

And twilo I never said more=better, if you could see my connections you will realize that its about depth and not complexity.

Youtube me some good dance music. You seem to know a lot about it and I will judge for myself. Billthebutcher believes that all clubs are generally the same. Im inclined to think so right now, but please, prove me wrong.

And NHL fan, what is so crappy about my attitude? Is it the fact that I realized that I need more from music than the average person? Does that make me arrogant?

[nhlfan]

And NHL fan, what is so crappy about my attitude? Is it the fact that I realized that I need more from music than the average person? Does that make me arrogant?

What's crappy about your attitude is that you bashed the intelligence of people who know how to have a good time at a club.

I appreciate Bach, Aphex Twin, jazz, etc. But, I also can enjoy a fast, simple hard punk song, and house music. If you can't..well, I just feel sorry for you.

[BilltheButcher]

Youtube me some good dance music. You seem to know a lot about it and I will judge for myself. Billthebutcher believes that all clubs are generally the same. Im inclined to think so right now, but please, prove me wrong.


Let me clarify. In smaller towns and cities they can only have one type of club and usually its the same top 40/rap dance music. Now in places like NYC, Miami, LA, Vegas, there is some good clubs. Granted I still hate the music, but thats just me. I bounced at this club and I swear thursday, friday and saturday i could predict what song was coming next no matter who was Djing.

[BFGUITAR]

I can enjoy simple hard punk. It has attitude and depth. I think the same for good rap, although rap is more about poetry than the music.
And ive been talking about musical intellect. I noticed that you said appreciate instead of enjoy.

[TwiloMike]

Ya, I lived in Hoboken for about two years. So, I'm not against clubs, hell I worked in them for a big part of my life, all I was trying to point out to him that whereever he is unless he's in a decent size city, most likely its the same crap and you got to make the best of it and you don't go to clubs to listen to the music, or at least I don't. I'm not real big into getting in my car or flipping on my IPOD and hearing, boom, boom, boom, boom.
I'm actually not a big fan of the boom boom boom in my car either. I do play house music more than any other, though: I totally enjoy the mixes and variations in mixing that good DJ's produce. When it comes to the pinnacle of the house DJ world, most of their remixes happen at the club, live, not in the studio. I get chills just thinking about it. :)


Ya, in Syracuse there isn't much variety from what people tell me. But its a pretty ok city to raise a family, but my wife and I love NYC and visit at least 3-4 times a year, tough to get away from the kids though. Gonna be hitting FAO Schwarz and going to see the Xmas Tree in a couple of weeks.
Are you going to hit the Disney store? How old are your kids?

[TwiloMike]

Honestly I would like to go to a good club. It may not be for me but I would try it.
If you can get your hands on some good CDs you might be able to see what I'm talking about. There are both appreciation of skill and pure enjoyment when it comes to house music (imo). I can make a list of CDs for you to try, or, if you IM me (AIM) I can let you sample some live sets of Junior.


And twilo I never said more=better, if you could see my connections you will realize that its about depth and not complexity.
From your post:


"Ever since I was a kid "pop" music never appealed to me. When I listened to Bach my mind opened up. Its pretty obvious that Bach is more complex than pop and/or dance music. I needed more to feel music, others may not. Take that at face value."

So you need more complexity or just more... something to feel music? I'm taking it at face value.


Youtube me some good dance music.
Not going to for two reasons: the audio quality is ****. You won't be able to hear the finer points of the mixing and you won't hear enough of a set to see what I'm talking about. Consider that a standard progressive house remix is 8-10 minutes long, often longer. Add to that the mixing of songs in and out of each other, transitioning from one song to another, and you need a good half hour to an hour worth of listening. Youtube just isn't right vehicle to show this. I can show you on youtube what a big gay club party looks like, though, but the music you'll hear is a skeleton of the experience.


You seem to know a lot about it and I will judge for myself. Billthebutcher believes that all clubs are generally the same. Im inclined to think so right now, but please, prove me wrong.
Bill believes that clubs in small towns that lack high end DJ talent are the same. Again, I won't let you judge based on a ****ty and too-short audio sample.


And NHL fan, what is so crappy about my attitude? Is it the fact that I realized that I need more from music than the average person? Does that make me arrogant?
What makes you arrogant, imo, is that you think that you need "more", not "different".

[Brawl]

I got a woman now that I dont cheat on ( thats the key phrase ) but like Hatred I bounced and managed bars for about 12 years ... I would have no problem now going into a club and lighting that b*tch up with my AR-15 ... I hate the people , music and the god damn carpet in them ...

I hit pubs or strip joints ...just leave me be ...

[TwiloMike]

I got a woman now that I dont cheat on ( thats the key phrase ) but like Hatred I bounced and managed bars for about 12 years ... I would have no problem now going into a club and lighting that b*tch up with my AR-15 ... I hate the people , music and the god damn carpet in them ...

I hit pubs or strip joints ...just leave me be ...

Awwww.. now tell us how you really feel. ;)

[Brawl]

Awwww.. now tell us how you really feel. ;)

I need some tissue ... sniff .

[TwiloMike]

I need some tissue ... sniff .

There there... want a hug? :evillaugh:

[Brawl]

There there... want a hug? :evillaugh:

Do you reach around ?

[Gunshow]

I haven't been to many clubs, mostly because i'm only 18 and my fake ID is obviously not me lol, but in dominican i went to the clubs, and for sure, If you don't drink alot, don't go, if you're hammered its fun as hell and getting girls in a club is just not fair its too easy, you don't even have to talk to them just rock back and forth haha.

[TwiloMike]

Do you reach around ?

Of course! I'm a pro! I mean... I'm considerate. :D

[BigCorey75]

Mikey this reminds me of something


the other night this guy was balls deep in my ass right, and i asked him for a reach around and he wouldnt do it, can u believe that? what a fag..

[HahnB]

I've heard of it but haven't been there. It's more of a lunge than a club, though. Right? My top spot in the Meatpacking District is Cielo (when Junior or Boris spin there). The Manor is very low capacity (< 500 people). I still prefer partying at the former Crobar or Roxy (1500+ capacity clubs). I love seeing a huge dancefloor packed with partiers (mostly male). Crobar is supposed to reopen under a different name, I forget which. It's like the invasion of the Miami clubs... lol.

The area by the booth usually fills with people dancing, but it's pretty small. I like it-but NYC clubs are totally different than anything around here. Most of the good ones you either have to get there early, know someone, or have at least 2 girls for every guy, or buy a bottle at the door or both. A lot of the clubs have it listed right on their website, guys must come with a 2 to 1 guy to girl ratio.

[Hatred]

Mikey this reminds me of something


the other night this guy was balls deep in my ass right, and i asked him for a reach around and he wouldnt do it, can u believe that? what a fag..

BAAAHAAAHAAAAAAAA.

[Hatred]

I mean... :tuttut:

[TwiloMike]

I mean... :tuttut:

I lawled. hard. :evillaugh:

[TwiloMike]

i asked him for a reach around and he wouldnt do it, can u believe that?
You gotta ask nicer. Ask brawl how to do it right.

[TwiloMike]

The area by the booth usually fills with people dancing, but it's pretty small. I like it-but NYC clubs are totally different than anything around here. Most of the good ones you either have to get there early, know someone, or have at least 2 girls for every guy, or buy a bottle at the door or both. A lot of the clubs have it listed right on their website, guys must come with a 2 to 1 guy to girl ratio.

Hmm... see, I don't like policies like that. They cater to creating the atmosphere of loads of women for a few guys to ogle... it's not a very good mix (as far as laid back clubbing goes). I don't know what most clubs are like where you are, but I try to avoid ones with guy/girl ratios that are actually enforced.

[HahnB]

There are no policies like that around here, and I'm not sure how many of them are enforced at the clubs in NYC but some of them advertise it on their website.

[Brawl]

Corey knows ... I love black guys . My first threesome wasnt two black chicks it was black guys .

[TwiloMike]

Corey knows ... I love black guys . My first threesome wasnt two black chicks it was black guys .
A brawlwich. Nice. :whip:

[BigCorey75]

wow, yeah ive got nothing

[TwiloMike]

There are no policies like that around here, and I'm not sure how many of them are enforced at the clubs in NYC but some of them advertise it on their website.

Hmmm... I guess those would be clubs and lounges I don't go to. lol I go to mostly gay and mixed parties.