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CaLLmeAhNuLd
01-09-2008, 11:38 AM
Is it ok on a PSMF to throw in a refeed day or two on the weekends to help restore glycogen? I go out on the weekends and wouldn't mind being able to eat a few extra carbs :-). Figured it would be kind of the same concept as DiPasquele had with the anabolic diet (also very low-carb)

BBB
01-09-2008, 12:59 PM
Depends on if you are a Cat. 1 or Cat. 2 dieter. If you're Cat. 1, no. If you are Cat. 2 - you get one free meal and one 5 hour refeed per week.

BFGUITAR
01-09-2008, 01:26 PM
If you read the book you would know the answer.

Over 25% bf you dont need to, under 12% you do, in between not really. I dont know if my numbers are perfect but read the book!

BBB
01-09-2008, 01:47 PM
If you read the book you would know the answer.

Over 25% bf you dont need to, under 12% you do, in between not really. I dont know if my numbers are perfect but read the book!


Um, no.

As a Category 3 - above 34% bf you get two free meals and no refeeds.

As a Category 2 - which is 25%-34% bf you get one free meal and one 5 hour refeed.

As a Category 1 - which is under 25% bf you do the PSMF straight 11-12 days and you get a UD2.0 style refeed at the end - but that's it.

phatmike
01-09-2008, 02:22 PM
Um, no.

As a Category 3 - above 34% bf you get two free meals and no refeeds.

As a Category 2 - which is 25%-34% bf you get one free meal and one 5 hour refeed.

As a Category 1 - which is under 25% bf you do the PSMF straight 11-12 days and you get a UD2.0 style refeed at the end - but that's it.

FYI, these percentages are for women. The mens percentages are different (lower), basically subtract 10 from the numbers above. The rest of the info is accurate. Though you should really read the book (and buy it).

phatmike
01-09-2008, 02:26 PM
Also, you could look into UD2, it could fit a little better given your weekend setup. Same author.

BFGUITAR
01-09-2008, 03:41 PM
Um, no.

As a Category 3 - above 34% bf you get two free meals and no refeeds.

As a Category 2 - which is 25%-34% bf you get one free meal and one 5 hour refeed.

As a Category 1 - which is under 25% bf you do the PSMF straight 11-12 days and you get a UD2.0 style refeed at the end - but that's it.

Yeh im talking about men here. A man around 25% doesnt really need a refeed... I dont think ive ever been above 20% bf and I was quite chubby.

BBB
01-09-2008, 05:48 PM
I'm sorry. I'm used to dealing with a board full of women, lol.

RhodeHouse
01-09-2008, 05:59 PM
Here's some advice, put the fork down and exercise more. It's really that simple.

CaLLmeAhNuLd
01-09-2008, 10:15 PM
Edit: Rhodes can be a dick but the man's right. -infraction for disrespect.`~Hatred

RhodeHouse
01-11-2008, 11:49 AM
you cn stick a fork up your ass for all i care

Well, keep making this stuff more complicated than it is. I don't care if you're fat your whole life.

deeder
01-11-2008, 11:56 AM
Here's some advice, put the fork down and exercise more. It's really that simple.

I'm with Rhodes on this one...

I see all the posts about UD2.0, PSMF, and other extreme dieting techniques and I just don't get it. Unless you're trying to step on stage I HIGHLY doubt this **** is necessary.

You're torturing yourself when you could probably achieve pretty similar results with a standard diet (aka slight calorie reduction) and a little added cardio.

RhodeHouse
01-11-2008, 12:24 PM
I'm with Rhodes on this one...

I see all the posts about UD2.0, PSMF, and other extreme dieting techniques and I just don't get it. Unless you're trying to step on stage I HIGHLY doubt this **** is necessary.

You're torturing yourself when you could probably achieve pretty similar results with a standard diet (aka slight calorie reduction) and a little added cardio.

That would be too simple and easy. That way, if they fail, they can blame everything else except themselves.

Hatred
01-11-2008, 12:38 PM
What's funny is in Lyle's literature he even says up front:

" Until a certain point anything will work" "No need to overcomplicate things. "

deeder
01-11-2008, 12:52 PM
What's funny is in Lyle's literature he even says up front:

" Until a certain point anything will work" "No need to overcomplicate things. "

Haha that's awesome. :evillaugh:

Slim Schaedle
01-11-2008, 02:34 PM
I am not defending anyone or anything thing when i say this, but it seems as though some people require some sort of complicated, regimented, disciplined diet/training in order to actually stick with something.

I say do whatever is best personally to reach goals.

deeder
01-11-2008, 02:41 PM
I am not defending anyone or anything thing when i say this, but it seems as though some people require some sort of complicated, regimented, disciplined diet/training in order to actually stick with something.

I say do whatever is best personally to reach goals.

What about when they've reached their goals?

They've learned nothing about eating well and maintaining a healthy diet. If they can't function on a normal diet won't they just end up gaining all the weight back anyway?

Slim Schaedle
01-11-2008, 02:51 PM
What about when they've reached their goals?

They've learned nothing about eating well and maintaining a healthy diet. If they can't function on a normal diet won't they just end up gaining all the weight back anyway?

If they do not keep a handle on things, then yes, I see it very likely that they would rebound in the opposite direction.

I don't think extreme diet techniques are bad, but if one isn't familiar with standard dieting and the things you've mentioned, they have no business employing those techniques.

You will see similar philosophy here in our anabolic forums.

Hatred
01-11-2008, 03:26 PM
I 100% totally agree with this. Great post.

CrazyK
01-11-2008, 03:33 PM
A general lifestyle change would better fit this individual. I think PSMF should be reserved to those people who are in immeadiate danger because of their weight and need to lose about in the hundreds of lbs. just to be considered "obese".

BBB
01-11-2008, 06:05 PM
I totally disagree with that. There's nothing wrong with a little stint on a PSMF to kick start a diet, or just get results fast. You don't have to have a ton of weight to loose to make it worthwhile.

Now, if you're already lean, then it's counter productive since the leaner you get the harder it becomes to hold on to lbm.

I do agree that it's probably not the diet of choice for people who just don't know the basics of dieting though.

VikingWarlord
01-11-2008, 07:54 PM
I totally disagree with that. There's nothing wrong with a little stint on a PSMF to kick start a diet, or just get results fast. You don't have to have a ton of weight to loose to make it worthwhile.

I agree with this. If you're fat, an extreme diet would definitely get the ball rolling and provide great results. However, if you don't have a plan for heading into the next phase, you're just ****ing yourself.

BFGUITAR
01-11-2008, 10:05 PM
I did a PSMF on my first cut. I knew how to eat and followed it well. Got decent results but I dont think I had enough muscle to justify it though.

CrazyK
01-12-2008, 12:42 AM
I totally disagree with that. There's nothing wrong with a little stint on a PSMF to kick start a diet, or just get results fast. You don't have to have a ton of weight to loose to make it worthwhile.

Now, if you're already lean, then it's counter productive since the leaner you get the harder it becomes to hold on to lbm.

I do agree that it's probably not the diet of choice for people who just don't know the basics of dieting though.It has its uses in a lot of places. However for this individual I'd still give the advice of changing his lifestyle before attempting extreme diets such as psmf.

VikingWarlord
01-12-2008, 06:57 AM
I did a PSMF on my first cut. I knew how to eat and followed it well. Got decent results but I dont think I had enough muscle to justify it though.

It's probably more likely that you weren't really fat enough than you didn't have enough muscle. The really big results will always come from the chubmonsters..

Fuzzy
01-12-2008, 07:17 AM
I'm on next to no carbs and am dealing with i pretty well.

I just pack my foods when i go out.