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mikesbytes
03-02-2008, 02:34 AM
Over the last 18 months the dead lifts I have personally seen / done are;
180kg/396lbs by a 75kg power lifter
160kg/352lbs by me
140kg/308lbs by a bloke in the gym
then there's a chasm with the next one been;
50kg/110lbs by a bloke in the gym
various other even lower weights by blokes in the gym
20kg/44lbs by a girl

1. Hardly anyone does dead lifts

2. Those who do, most don't even get near their own body weight

Which leads to the question - What is the typical weight that the typical guy and girl would dead lift? (as distinct from the sorts of weights that you guys/gals lift).

nhlfan
03-02-2008, 02:37 AM
When I've started beginner weightlifters on deadlifts, I've seen them use anywhere from 115 to 225 for a few reps.

DiViN
03-02-2008, 04:21 AM
I would say a little over body weight for a few reps could be done without any training.

Fuzzy
03-02-2008, 05:07 AM
60-100kg

Uncle Fester
03-02-2008, 05:08 AM
Well, a girl that used to train with us (powerlifting) did 225 after just two or three weeks training. At a bodyweight of right around 130. I was pretty ****ing impressed by that.

noahfor123
03-02-2008, 08:21 AM
My girlfriend did 185 her first time ever lifting weights, at 120 and no athletic background. I think people just don't try hard enough their first time.

andrewnp
03-02-2008, 09:30 AM
some people have better cores than others, and deadlifts go up fast for novices,like me, i went from barely pulling 115 off the floor to a month later pulling 230 for 5.

Detard
03-02-2008, 10:19 AM
My buddy added deads into his training and pulled 185x5 with decent form the very first time.

WBBIRL
03-02-2008, 12:38 PM
I remember not very long at all after I first starting pulling back in about 8th grade I got 365. I was pretty damn big for an 8th grader... probably around 200 pounds and 5'7 or so.

I'd say the average male can't pull much over 225-250
Average female is probably looking at about 95-135

Again these are averages, there are lots of examples on this forum of men and women pulling much heavier then these "averages"

mikesbytes
03-02-2008, 08:11 PM
It's looking the general opinion for the average Joe/Jill is;
Male: bodyweight to bodyweight + 25%
Female: bodyweight - 25% to bodyweight

So everyone I see is either an under achiever or an over achiever.

Darracq
03-02-2008, 08:38 PM
first time i ever tried i got 315 @ around 150 and 6 feet tall, i have only put 100 pounds on that since. And gained some bodyweight

Travis Bell
03-02-2008, 08:57 PM
when I was 15 I pulled 315 second time deadlifting. but I'm kinda on the shorter side of life so my range of motion isn't all that great

jtteg_x
03-03-2008, 12:45 AM
i started off 95lb first time out @180lb bw. i introduced a buddy who was in the mid-high 200's bw who pulled 315lb first time out for 3 reps.

Xellarz
03-03-2008, 01:40 AM
First time I tried deadlifting I warmed up and pulled a little over 315. BW~145. I was with another friend who weighed about the same, he pulled 315. And it's not like we had done much squatting, so we didn't have power from that - we had rarely squatted. I DON'T think it was abnormal or impressive. I think it's completely normal. Another friend of mine who doesn't lift and BW~180 pulled around 405. And a fat friend of mine who can't even bench 150lbs pulled 450 with relative ease. I DO think that there are a lot of really weak people out there that would bring the average down...people who can't even pull 225...BUT...there are also probably quite a few people who can pull over 405 without ever lifting.

Runty
03-03-2008, 03:33 AM
^^ Those numbers sound well above average for some first time lifting. 2-2.5x your bodyweight is impressive any way you look at it.

tomv
03-03-2008, 04:28 AM
I think a lot of people here are an exception to the rule.

If you took your average schlub from the street and asked him to lift the weight with proper form i.e. a textbook deadlift I think a lot of people would fall short of 220lbs. Those who do manual labour as part of their profession obviously will be closer to the max but most office workers and the like I doubt could hold themselves in the correct position.

However if you mean how much weight could someone simply pick up off the floor with no regards to form or safety whatsoever? Then I think you will start to see higher numbers closer to 220lbs.

tomv
03-03-2008, 04:29 AM
Sorry I also forgot to add that it depends again heavily on whether or not they are going for a "1RM" or say a set of 5.

Rock Steady
03-03-2008, 09:00 AM
We have a hex-bar at my gym. Almost every 'jack/jill' wimps out and uses that.

Guido
03-03-2008, 10:03 AM
My girlfriend did 185 her first time ever lifting weights, at 120 and no athletic background. I think people just don't try hard enough their first time.:withstupi: I agree that most people are not - and shouldn't be - going for a max their first time. It's asking for trouble. Also, it takes time for most beginners to realize what a true "max effort" lift feels like. People are often far too easy on themselves because they don't know the meaning of true intensity.

I can say from observation and experience, though, that a typical untrained male trying to deadlift for the first time seems to average between 205-275lbs depending on size. For the average untrained female, more like 135-185 depending on size.

mikesbytes
03-03-2008, 07:30 PM
I can say from observation and experience, though, that a typical untrained male trying to deadlift for the first time seems to average between 205-275lbs depending on size. For the average untrained female, more like 135-185 depending on size.

So that would put it something like
Male: Bodyweight + 25% thru to Bodyweight + 50%
Female: Bodyweight thru Bodyweight + 25%

The other day a female was doing sumo deadlifts without putting the bar down between reps, using a small fixed weight bar. At the end of the sets, she casually carried the bar back to the bar rack.

noahfor123
03-03-2008, 07:54 PM
When I was first learning how to work out, I had no idea how much it was possible to deadlift, and nothing to compare it to. I remember thinking people benching 135 were strong because the plates were so big, so I started deadlifting with like 95 pounds. I just continued to add 5 pounds a week, for months. Then one day I decided to see how much I could do, and when the weight got into the 200s, I quit because I was afraid I would hurt myself. 200 was such a huge number.

Xellarz
03-03-2008, 09:31 PM
I lifted with a new kid about 3 weeks ago. He weighs about 135. He couldn't budge 185 in the deadlift...then I told him to stop being a pussy and pull harder because I KNOW he can do it...he tried again and got 10 reps. People don't realize that the bar wont just move right away...you have to build all of that tension before it moves...

Even deadlifters have to relearn this when they first try rack squats. lol.

shredder
03-04-2008, 02:19 AM
My buddy did deadlifts with me the first time the other morning and he doesnt lift weights often but he wanted to that morning with me for some reason. Anyways i showed him how and he pulled 265 lbs for a single, i was impressed. hes about 170lbs ,very good genetics wide shoulders and everything i think if he wanted to he could become a big mother****er.

garjagan
03-04-2008, 05:48 AM
Well a bodybuilder (machine maniac) in my gym tried them once (conventional) and struggled through a set with 60kg. He's far more muscular than me, yet I can pull sumo nearly 2.5x my BW (though I do have proprtional huge glutes). I guess the genetic build of a person will effect the lift.

JoeG
03-04-2008, 06:57 AM
Theres a ton of variation.

Active untrained people will probably pull somewhat over body weight.

Unactive untrained people will probably pull significantly less than body weight.

Guido
03-04-2008, 08:31 AM
So that would put it something like
Male: Bodyweight + 25% thru to Bodyweight + 50%
Female: Bodyweight thru Bodyweight + 25%Depends on their weight.


The other day a female was doing sumo deadlifts without putting the bar down between reps, using a small fixed weight bar. At the end of the sets, she casually carried the bar back to the bar rack.LOL! It's sad to see how misguided and uninformed some people are.

mickyjune26
03-04-2008, 08:44 AM
Theres a ton of variation.

Active untrained people will probably pull somewhat over body weight.

Unactive untrained people will probably pull significantly less than body weight.

agreed. no way the average, nontrained person could pull their bodyweight without risking hurting their lower back.

mickyjune26
03-04-2008, 08:45 AM
btw - a girl at the gym the other day asked if she could use a bar to do deadlifts. I guess she meant SLDL, because that's what she did. She put 2.5s on each end and proceeded to do them.

She had good form though and i had to concentrate to not look at her while she pushed her ass out.

mikesbytes
03-04-2008, 08:59 PM
This morning there was a bloke, who I'd say weighed about 90kg/198lbs and he did 3 sets of Romanian DL's; 50kg/110lbs, 60kg/132lbs, 70kg/154lbs and watching him, he seemed to be working hard. Did them using the only squat rack :tuttut: and used wrist straps (this guy uses wrist straps for everything) so

I had to wait for him to finish, so I asked him how long he had been lifting? about 2 1/2 years.

Perhaps deadlifts are harder for the average Joe/Jill than we think?

Must admit it hard to judge someone maxing at 70kg/154lbs when you warm up at 100kg/220lbs

tomv
03-05-2008, 02:42 AM
Perhaps it was a new exercise to him?

mikesbytes
03-05-2008, 03:50 AM
Perhaps it was a new exercise to him?

Possibly. However one would assume that he had been doing back and leg exercises in the last 2 1/2 years.

Either way, its probably an indication that average Joe/Jill isn't in the same DL league as many who frequent this site.

mikesbytes
03-05-2008, 03:57 AM
Depends on their weight.

You mean that the ratio between bar and bodyweight is different for different bodyweights?

LoveMyGSDs
03-05-2008, 12:32 PM
I haven't done any max effort DLs lately, but my rack pull (above knee) max is currently 395 lbs and I'm going for 405 lbs this week. (I'm female...5'5", 154 lbs.)

mickyjune26
03-05-2008, 02:31 PM
LoveMyGSDs - you are awesome. :)

mikesbytes
03-05-2008, 07:44 PM
I haven't done any max effort DLs lately, but my rack pull (above knee) max is currently 395 lbs and I'm going for 405 lbs this week. (I'm female...5'5", 154 lbs.)

That's an amazing result, you must be one of the strongest females in the world.

nhlfan
03-05-2008, 09:16 PM
That's an amazing result, you must be one of the strongest females in the world.

:confused: I doubt it. Very strong pull, no doubt, but there's some strong ladies out there.

Dunner
03-12-2008, 08:58 AM
First time pulling, I saw some guys doing it in the gym, I wasn't even lifting weights then..they left 3 plates on the bar, I walked over and picked it up...set it back down, and walked away. I was probably anywhere between 170-180ish.
First deadlift workout I ever did which was a couple of months later, I did 315, 365, and 405 at the same bodyweight.
Since then I've put 230lbs on my pull in about 2 years. Same bodyweight

mikesbytes
03-13-2008, 04:42 AM
Dead Lifts seem to be something that some can do and some can't perhaps there isn't an average just to extremes with not many in the middle..

noahfor123
03-13-2008, 09:14 AM
First time pulling, I saw some guys doing it in the gym, I wasn't even lifting weights then..they left 3 plates on the bar, I walked over and picked it up...set it back down, and walked away. I was probably anywhere between 170-180ish.
First deadlift workout I ever did which was a couple of months later, I did 315, 365, and 405 at the same bodyweight.
Since then I've put 230lbs on my pull in about 2 years. Same bodyweight

So 635 at 175 with only two years of training. That's pretty good.

Stumprrp
03-13-2008, 09:20 AM
635 @ 175 with 2 years training is BS, lol.

killxswitch
03-13-2008, 10:17 AM
635 @ 175 with 2 years training is BS, lol.

I think there's a lot of BS in this thread. "ZOMG I'M SO STRONG I DLED 405 MY FIRST TIME EASY I WEIGHED 150"

Xellarz
03-13-2008, 02:39 PM
I still think it's just that people don't know how to build that tension without the eccentric motion giving it to them like with most other lifts.

youngguns
03-14-2008, 10:00 PM
I think there's a lot of BS in this thread. "ZOMG I'M SO STRONG I DLED 405 MY FIRST TIME EASY I WEIGHED 150"



^^^^ agreed. ive been working out 1.4 years, and neglected back workouts. just recently started DL'ing and i pulled 205 as my highest.

Sidior
03-15-2008, 12:00 AM
I have no idea about a non trained person but I firmly believe any trainee can reach a 405 deadlift within a few years of training if they stay dedicated.

killxswitch
03-15-2008, 10:21 AM
I have no idea about a non trained person but I firmly believe any trainee can reach a 405 deadlift within a few years of training if they stay dedicated.

I agree with that, 2 years seems like it would be enough for just about anybody.

chinaz
03-15-2008, 11:38 AM
I was at like 200 the 1st time.
im at 255lbs now

( I myself am 100.9lbs )

Viking_Power
03-16-2008, 05:28 PM
I first started deadlifting 2 weeks ago (4 times thus far). Today I did 3 sets of 8 at 245 somewhat easily. I'm 185lbs.

Guido
03-17-2008, 09:05 AM
I have no idea about a non trained person but I firmly believe any trainee can reach a 405 deadlift within a few years of training if they stay dedicated.I'd correct that to say any healthy, normal male trainee.

How fast it happens really depends most on form and having the right people around you to teach you and push you. Any male lifter who's ever trained in my group has managed to hit 405 within 8 or 9 months, no matter what he started out at. Not all will hit 500 (especially lighter lifters), but 405 is an easily attainable goal for most males. For females, 275 should be an attainable goal with a year or two of training.

Sidior
03-17-2008, 12:38 PM
I'd correct that to say any healthy, normal male trainee.

How fast it happens really depends most on form and having the right people around you to teach you and push you. Any male lifter who's ever trained in my group has managed to hit 405 within 8 or 9 months, no matter what he started out at. Not all will hit 500 (especially lighter lifters), but 405 is an easily attainable goal for most males. For females, 275 should be an attainable goal with a year or two of training.

Good call.

dynamo
03-18-2008, 10:38 PM
i've been deadlifting for about 2 months now I pull 315x5 without a belt, i guess it depends on the background. I have a mma, wrestling, and football background, though its been years since ive done any of that stuff. perhaps the question is too open ended....

thewicked
03-20-2008, 07:57 AM
typical gym lifter Iv'e seen normally doesn't go above 315...but it depends on which house you're in. In LA Fitness I've never seen anyone by myself go over 600. But over at metroflex..unless you're pulling 650 or better no one really gives a notice unless you're about 180lbs LOL

SW
03-20-2008, 06:25 PM
I'd say from my experience that most guys can bench their bodyweight + a few lbs (20 or so). In that area.
Deads, I'd say I have to agree with Mike post #20.

Chris Rodgers
03-20-2008, 06:47 PM
I'd correct that to say any healthy, normal male trainee.

How fast it happens really depends most on form and having the right people around you to teach you and push you. Any male lifter who's ever trained in my group has managed to hit 405 within 8 or 9 months, no matter what he started out at. Not all will hit 500 (especially lighter lifters), but 405 is an easily attainable goal for most males. For females, 275 should be an attainable goal with a year or two of training.


I agree. Most people in this thread who think people are making up their lifts probably just don't have someone there to help them. Very soon after I got into powerlifting I was up to 405 in the deadlift and I was a very skinny 145-150 lbs. Also, a lot of people are so scared of the lift that they really don't push themselves and also perform the lift very slowly. This is fine for most, but for someone who is looking to move the most weight, it is perhaps not the best choice. All about your goals.

mikesbytes
03-20-2008, 07:28 PM
Chris, that video of you doing 20 reps was most impressive. How much difference is there in your 1RM with equipment and raw?

Chris Rodgers
03-20-2008, 08:32 PM
Chris, that video of you doing 20 reps was most impressive. How much difference is there in your 1RM with equipment and raw?


If raw= belt only, than my best are the following:


Conventional:

raw: 505
equipped: 545


Sumo:

raw: 515
equipped: 540


I posted video of this past weekend's meet where I lost grip on 560 above the knees. I feel right now I am good for a 560-570 sumo deadlift in full gear. I need to learn to use the gear better in the deadlift. I know that a bunch of top guys out there get 75 lbs+ out of their deadlift gear.

randommetalguy
05-30-2008, 09:53 AM
I have been deadlifting for around 4 months now. When I started I was doing 3x10x95 lbs and getting reps in to practice form. Now, I can comfortably rep 1x5x235 lbs and I recently did 1RM at 305 lbs. I weigh 185.

travis350
06-29-2008, 11:03 PM
im 15 and i can dead lift 490 is that good?

Guido
06-30-2008, 08:13 AM
im 15 and i can dead lift 490 is that good?

Judging by your question I'd guess you'd want us to say "yes", right?

I don't know. What do you think? How big are you? How long have you been training?

HP666
06-30-2008, 09:54 AM
im 15 and i can dead lift 490 is that good?

:rolleyes:

How much can you squat?

TheGMan
07-01-2008, 01:44 AM
After looking through this i thought, ill try dead lift again not done them for years.

Weight up to 95kgs (210 pounds) and then i ran out of weights in my garage but i was able to do 2 sets of 10 fairly easy so i was quite happy with that!! Will have to see what weights are in my gym??

Re squat i did start off a few months hammering the squat, doing 6 sets of 12, i started on about 60Kgs and worked up to the last set of 12 being on 120 kgs (i only did 8 though as i was a little knackered)

I weigh 84kgs (185 lbs)

I know people on here will smash this but we all srat off somewhere dont we!!

strongkid963
07-01-2008, 06:45 AM
i did 300 when i was 13 y/o no straps, no belt, or anything

Iron Man
07-01-2008, 05:51 PM
i did 300 when i was 13 y/o no straps, no belt, or anything

I don't think the belt helps you lift more does it?

KingJustin
07-01-2008, 09:11 PM
It's so hard to guess what a typical untrained guy can deadlift... Nobody knows correct form, they're scared as hell to show real intensity and they usually just go for reps anyway. All this considered, I think if a beginner really tried .... if they're around 170-220 range I'd guess they could pull 260 - 325. (We have girls at <180 lbs at our CrossFit gym that pulled over 315 with around 3-4 months of training).

Using in proportion to bodyweight isn't great imo... It depends too much on height. Also, the heavier you are, the less likely you are to pull a lot in proportion to your weight. That's why they have Wilk's Formula in meets instead of a pure ratio.

thewicked
07-01-2008, 10:09 PM
average depends on the gym.. typically no more than mid 300's to low 400's

KingJustin
07-02-2008, 05:25 PM
Yeah, you have to be clear on how you define "average" ... It seemed like you were talking about typical untrained males in the 18-25yr old range, weighing a typical weight of 180-220.

If we're talking about true average person, it would also include powerlifters.... If we are talking about average person in a gym, that would be a lot higher, and if we're talking about average person that does deadlifts, it would be higher again.

.MN.
09-11-2008, 06:20 PM
Well I just found this site by searching for average deadlifts by weight on google.

I'm getting my maxes so I can determine my workout weight and make my plan. Today I did three lifts I've never done before (deadlift, hang clean/power clean, squat). I tried going for my deadlift max but I know I'm not at my max, i don't have the technique yet.

Anyway I'm a really skinny 16 year old but I'm athletic (karate, soccer, track, snowboarding on the side :)) 5'11" 140 pounds. Anyway my "max" for today was 255 and I got 265 but someone else in the gym noticed my technique was bad on the last lift and let me know, so I stopped there. I know I can easily add 30-40 pounds to that when I get better at deadlifts. My goal is 3 45lbs barbells on each side (315) sometime early november.

johnst_nhb
09-11-2008, 06:25 PM
Anyway I'm a really skinny 16 year old but I'm athletic (karate, soccer, track, snowboarding on the side :)) 5'11" 140 pounds.


RhodeHouse in 3...2...1...
:)

.MN.
09-11-2008, 06:28 PM
RhodeHouse in 3...2...1...
:)

I don't get it?

mikesbytes
09-11-2008, 08:08 PM
Welcome .MN. The general conclusion to this question was that there was not such thing as an average. While its interesting to see what others can do, you should set your own goals independent of what others achieve.

You do see some odd things in the gym, like this week I set my DL bar up with 150kg/330lbs and then this chick came along, who I's say weighed about 65kg/145lbs and did SL DL right next to me with a 15kg/33lbs bar. How much do shopping bags weigh?

patricky
09-12-2008, 05:39 AM
If someone REALLY tries their hardest, I would say 100-160KG for 1 rep would be about average.
After 2 months of deadlifting I'm up to 175KG for 5, I would say that is pretty good, but no real feat. BTW I'm a fat 100KG and I started on 145KG for 1.
I knew a guy who was prety weak, only benched 35KG but could deadlift 100KG easy.

ShockBoxer
09-12-2008, 06:50 AM
I moved up to 315 at 165 within a year of training (from nearly killing myself on 110 @ 195 when I started) and have been dicking around between 3 and 4 hundred since. I've only hit 400 once. I don't see myself as anything exceptional so I'd agree that with a little effort most guys could get above 300.

But the true average, as said, is that there is no average. The last thing anyone wants from this thread is some 160 pound first timer loading up 3 plates and hurting themselves.

.MN.
09-12-2008, 04:37 PM
I moved up to 315 at 165 within a year of training (from nearly killing myself on 110 @ 195 when I started) and have been dicking around between 3 and 4 hundred since. I've only hit 400 once. I don't see myself as anything exceptional so I'd agree that with a little effort most guys could get above 300.

But the true average, as said, is that there is no average. The last thing anyone wants from this thread is some 160 pound first timer loading up 3 plates and hurting themselves.

I see where you're coming from for saying there is no real average. I had a certified trainer watching my form for deadlifting. I can only imagine what my back would feel like today if I kept going.

Lewy23
09-13-2008, 03:22 PM
my first time doing deads about a year ago...I pulled 335. I weighed about 220lbs at the time.

I can pull 455 now at 230lbs.

This is all raw with just a belt..my goal is 500 raw. Then the plan is to buy a suit and maybe do some push pull meets!!!

Lewy

Brendan
07-30-2012, 02:45 PM
I'm 6'1" 200 lbs. and maxed 1 rep at 435 today with a hex trap bar.