what should i take?? need experienced advice..

[stamped]

I am 21 and im about 5'11 205 pounds.. i have always been thick kind of like a linebacker or a fullback.. i have a thick body with muscle but no cuts at all and thats what i want.. i workout hard and have played florida football my whole life.. i have a fullback body but i kinda wanna make it into a wide receiver type of body.. i hope im making sense... im always running, lifting, doing something, eating correctly.. i know my diet is great, i burn enough calories a day that a normal person would lose fat with.. i lift hard and just seem to not be getting anywhere.. i eat a good portioned 5 meals a day, about 2500 calories a day, carbs in the morning for breakfast and right before i workout.. about 200 grams of protein..

I bench about 285, squat 345, clean and jerk 205 and run a 40 Yard Dash in 4.6 seconds.. im athletic as hell but i dont have that type of body..

im kinda done with doing it the hard way..

i know itll take time even juicin.. but i need something else.. I want to get a lean stomach but thick upper body.. to form my body into a V.. i was lookin at Anavar and Clen.. both seem to be light steroids with mild side effects at the most and both seem to be cutting steroids.. the fat that i just cant lose no matter how hard i work and how good i eat should be gone with one of the two..

Could you give me insight to these two steroids? which is more expensive? which will work faster? if i should be lookin at others? Any help is greatly appreciated..

Thank you

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Also, i dont have a million dollars to spend too.. i kinda sound like a joke but im hoping i dont get bitched out by you pros.. just trying to start off like you guys did..

[Hatred]

..............1 but no cuts at all and thats what i want.. i workout hard and have played florida football my whole life.. ..........2.ing, eating correctly.. i know my diet is great, 3i burn enough calories a day that a normal person would lose fat with.4. i lift hard and just seem to not be getting anywhere.. i eat a good portioned 5 meals a day, about 2500 calories a day, carbs in the morning for breakfast and right before i workout.. about 200 grams of protein..


5.im kinda done with doing it the hard way..




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1You have no cuts because you are not lean enough which brings me to ..

#2If you were eating correctly you wold see these cuts so you are NOT eating correctly and it really is as simple as that (law of thermodynamics)...

3. I'm not going to flame you. I'm tired. If you were eating less calories than you burned you would lose the fat. We are ALLL normal in that regard.

4.Your diet sucks ass. It's more complicated than that up there but not hard at all.

5. If you think either one of those substances are going to giveyou what you want you are gravely mistaken. Your diet controls if you gain or lose.
Taking anavar or Clen will be a waste of money and disappointing unless you have your diet in order. If you are not getting anywhere you are quite simply eating too much and/or the wrong things.
Head over to diet and Nutrition and check out the stickies. Anabolics are not a short cut by any sense of the word. If you use them as a crutch they will actually hinder your progress.

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ok so if my diet is good.. then what??

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then u suggest i take these supplements?

[Nosaj]

Diet will solve these problems altogether. I'm not going to say anything about anavar as I've heard it has it's place but I would never touch clen, it's horrible for your heart. As an athlete, the last thing you need is heart issues.

Hatred is right, your diet isin't on point. You say you're getting 2,500 calories, is that an exact # or an approximation? If you actually want to get lean and get those "cuts" you're talking about, it requires discipline. Count every calorie you eat for a week, then cut your daily calories by 10-20% (depending on how fast you want to cut, slower is better if you don't want to lose muscle). Actually getting your diet in check, i.e. what foods, when to eat, etc, can all be covered in the Nutrition forum, lots of helpful people there.

There is really only one reason to use steroids to cut, you drop calories by a ridiculous amount while using _(said drug X, i.e. test-e, etc.)_ to keep your body in an anabolic state and therefore allowing you to retain LBM. It doesn't sound like you're even close to dedicated enough as getting a six-pack is easy, you just cut calories. You haven't figured that out yet. Using steroids just helps you maintain LBM while you cut, but if you can't bulk/cut effectively without steroids, you're just setting yourself up for major disappointment.

My advice? Get to single digit bf% without drugs before you ever think about using them. You sound like you know how to pack on mass naturally, learn how to cut naturally too. Then make the decision if crossing over for you, but not until then.

[RBB]

i hope you're listening to the good advice here, stamped. why the hell does everyone always think var, winny and prop will get them cut? learn how to control your diet. sounds like you're just having a tough time tracking the calories. use fitday (http://www.fitday.com), it'll really help you out in that department.

[Hatred]

ok so if my diet is good.. then what??

If your diet is right. you won't even need these drugs because your goals don't require them. Do what RBB said.
Track your Cals for a week eating what you normally eat to determine what your maintenance is.

The drop the cals by 10-20% while still working out and being active as normal.

[stamped]

Alright, i really appreciate the help.. maybe im not tracking my calories and what i eat like u guys do but ill try what nosaj said and cut them down 10 to 20%.. ill just keep a journal or so and track what im eating and will see from there.. just sucks that even tho i think im eating right, i figure out im not and thats why its not working.. i just tried the fitday thing and thats a biggggg help.. a lot easier then keeping it in my head..

Thanks a lot..

[Nosaj]

Bro, it's so true that fitday or any kind of diet journal is pretty much a requirement to get over a plateau either cutting or bulking. If you're not dropping or gaining weight, it's because the calorie intake just isin't where it needs to be. Good luck with cleaning up the diet and let us know how things go, or better yet, just post some pics at 8%. =D