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Vicioustorms
04-05-2008, 08:17 AM
I've started eating 3-4 eggs everyday..is that too many? or can i eat more. i heard theyre high in cholesterol and block your arteries or something..:confused:

joelhall
04-05-2008, 08:35 AM
3-4 eggs is fine. the cholesterol in the yolks wont block your arteries up. ive eaten at least 2 eggs a day for the last 8 years and have no problems with cholesterol or blood pressure:)

nzk
04-05-2008, 09:06 AM
the cholesterol in the yolks wont block your arteries up.

LOL

i guess the entire medical community, the pharmaceutical industry, and years upon years of scientific research is dead wrong.

Built
04-05-2008, 09:08 AM
Hubby eats 5 every morning, with cheese, fried in butter - and he's over forty.

You're fine.

bjohnso
04-05-2008, 09:32 AM
Built, what about 10 hard boiled eggs a day? Yay or nay?

curiosity
04-05-2008, 09:43 AM
LOL

i guess the entire medical community, the pharmaceutical industry, and years upon years of scientific research is dead wrong.
If theyre the same idiots who venomised dietary fat then yes

There a good read i found ages ago located here fitnessuncovered.co.uk/nutrition-articles/all_about_eggs.php

RedSpikeyThing
04-05-2008, 10:10 AM
LOL

i guess the entire medical community, the pharmaceutical industry, and years upon years of scientific research is dead wrong.

Actually, there's a chance they are: http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20060506/food.asp This is from 2006 so I assume some follow-up work has been done, but I haven't looked for it.

BFGUITAR
04-05-2008, 10:26 AM
I could imagine people on farms back in the day eating well over half a dozen eggs, and whole milk, and pieces of large meat with fat all over... Were fine dont worry.

nzk
04-05-2008, 11:41 AM
ok, seems everyone is doing ok in the US eating high cholesterol fried foods. i guess the reports of cardiac disease being the number one killer and stroke being number three in this country are also false. seems like those fat farmers are doing just fine. never mind that statin therapy has been shown to reduce heart attack risk up to 20%. its got nothing to do with cholesterol cloggin up those arteries.

small studies published in internet magazines do not qualify as good studies, especially when theyre endorsed by the american egg board (yes, those same fat farmers). its like getting your daily news from the grocery checkout line. just pick up any decent medical textbook and the link between choletesterol and heart attacks and strokes is written in plain english.:read:

but this is the internet generation and everyone is an online expert these days, so here's one from a respected journal looking at large randomized trials on statin therapy and cardiovascular risk: http://eurheartj.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/28/6/664

genetics also play a role in how one's body handles cholesterol excess. so what is cholesterol excess? one egg has 70% of the DV of cholesterol. so 3-4 eggs would be excess.

of course anything in moderation is ok, so eat ur eggs. but to believe that eggs dont do harm when eaten in excess, is pure fiction. which is what i think the OP was asking.

RedSpikeyThing
04-05-2008, 11:53 AM
small studies published in internet magazines do not qualify as good studies, especially when theyre endorsed by the american egg board (yes, those same fat farmers). its like getting your daily news from the grocery checkout line. just pick up any decent medical textbook and the link between choletesterol and heart attacks and strokes is written in plain english.:read:


The journal of experimental biology is small internet magazine?
Greene, C., et al. 2006. Plasma lipoprotein particle size and carotenoid content are positively influenced by egg consumption and the response to dietary cholesterol in an elderly population. Experimental Biology 2006 meeting. April 1-5. San Francisco.

Invain
04-05-2008, 12:30 PM
I could imagine people on farms back in the day eating well over half a dozen eggs, and whole milk, and pieces of large meat with fat all over... Were fine dont worry.

My dad lived on a dairy farm as a kid. Had eggs fried in bacon grease every morning, drank milk fresh from the cows every day, every dinner was some form of meat, and my grandma almost always had a pie for dessert. Nobody in his family has ever had trouble with cholesterol/high blood pressure/heart problems.

What does this have to do with anything? Eating a few freaking eggs a day is absolutely fine.

nzk
04-05-2008, 01:07 PM
My dad lived on a dairy farm as a kid. Had eggs fried in bacon grease every morning, drank milk fresh from the cows every day, every dinner was some form of meat, and my grandma almost always had a pie for dessert. Nobody in his family has ever had trouble with cholesterol/high blood pressure/heart problems.

What does this have to do with anything? Eating a few freaking eggs a day is absolutely fine.

sigh. everyone has a "my uncle ate this, my grandma ate that etc. and is doing just fine." story. this is really solid research u have there. my father in law had a similar diet, he had a major heart attack and had a quintuple bypass at the age of 52.
450,000 people died in 2004 from heart attacks in the U.S. alone.
diets high in cholesterol are proven to cause heart disease.
3-4 eggs is more than 200% of ur recommended dietary intake of cholesterol.
am i not being clear enough?

maybe the american heart association can help:

http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=3006030

7. I recently read that eggs aren’t so bad for your cholesterol after all, so I guess I can go back to having my two eggs for breakfast every morning.
One egg contains about 213 milligrams of dietary cholesterol. The daily recommended cholesterol limit is less than 300 milligrams for people with normal LDL (bad) cholesterol levels. An egg can fit within heart-healthy guidelines for those people only if cholesterol from other sources — such as meats, poultry and dairy products — is limited. For example, eating one egg for breakfast, drinking two cups of coffee with one tablespoon of half-and-half each, lunching on four ounces of lean turkey breast without skin and one tablespoon of mayonnaise, and having a 6-ounce serving of broiled, short loin porterhouse steak for dinner would account for about 510 mg of dietary cholesterol that day — nearly twice the recommended limit. If you’re going to eat an egg every morning, substitute vegetables for some of the meat, or drink your coffee without half-and-half in the example above. And remember that many other foods, especially baked goods, are prepared with eggs — and those eggs count toward your daily cholesterol limit. People with high LDL blood cholesterol levels or who are taking a blood cholesterol-lowering medication should eat less than 200 mg of cholesterol per day. Learn more about cooking for lower cholesterol.

RedSpikeyThing
04-05-2008, 01:41 PM
nzk, did you purposely avoid my question?

Built
04-05-2008, 01:55 PM
nzk - you are aware that eating deep fried dough isn't the same as eating healthy sources of fat and protein like eggs, right? That it's not healthy animal and monounsaturated fat that clogs your arteries, but rather, damaged vegetable oils, trans fats, and grains that are involved in the "deep fried America" phenomenon you are referring to, right?

I HAD high cholesterol - on my lowfat diet. I brought it DOWN eating more fat - including eggs and cheese - and less grain.

Invain
04-05-2008, 02:13 PM
Nzk if I'm bored later I'll find some studies for you about dietary cholesterol and it's effects on a person's actual cholesterol levels.

I ate 4 - 5 eggs every morning for months and I'm doing just fine.

BigE54
04-05-2008, 02:16 PM
Another thing to remember nzk: When you read the nutritional suggested guidline, you have to realize that it does not hold true for everybody. I'm going to assume that you eat way more protien than the suggested 50 grams a day. One thing to realize about cholesterol is that it is a neccesary nutrient for the living cell. People who push their bodies like most of us in here do everyday, require more than the suggested amount. Now, like you said, moderation is key. I would say 10 a day would be too many, But if want to eat 4 a day and are in good cardiovascular shape then I say go for it.

Keep in mind I'm no biologist, just a normal guy. But I do have some knowledge in this, as does Built I believe.

Invain
04-05-2008, 02:24 PM
Abstract from: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=16340654&ordinalpos=54&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum


PURPOSE OF REVIEW: Extensive research has not clearly established a link between egg consumption and risk for coronary heart disease. The effects of egg intake on plasma lipids and low-density lipoprotein (LDL) atherogenicity in healthy populations need to be addressed. RECENT FINDINGS: The lack of connection between heart disease and egg intake could partially be explained by the fact that dietary cholesterol increases the concentrations of both circulating LDL and high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol in those individuals who experience an increase in plasma cholesterol following egg consumption (hyperresponders). It is also important to note that 70% of the population experiences a mild increase or no alterations in plasma cholesterol concentrations when challenged with high amounts of dietary cholesterol (hyporesponders). Egg intake has been shown to promote the formation of large LDL, in addition to shifting individuals from the LDL pattern B to pattern A, which is less atherogenic. Eggs are also good sources of antioxidants known to protect the eye; therefore, increased plasma concentrations of lutein and zeaxanthin in individuals consuming eggs are also of interest, especially in those populations susceptible to developing macular degeneration and eye cataracts. SUMMARY: For these reasons, dietary recommendations aimed at restricting egg consumption should not be generalized to include all individuals. We need to acknowledge that diverse healthy populations experience no risk in developing coronary heart disease by increasing their intake of cholesterol but, in contrast, they may have multiple beneficial effects by the inclusion of eggs in their regular diet.

bjohnso
04-05-2008, 03:18 PM
Somebody make me a cholesterol supplement (I'd prefer powder form).

Stumprrp
04-05-2008, 03:26 PM
i drink 50 eggs a day, raw, with butter, olive oil, and a shot of Tequila.

Rhesus
04-05-2008, 03:32 PM
i drink 50 eggs a day, raw, with butter, olive oil, and a shot of Tequila.

That reminds me of a guy I know who used to crack two raw eggs into his Guiness and down the whole thing. Strange dude.

nzk
04-05-2008, 03:34 PM
Invain: i think thats the same study redspikey's article referred to. i didnt say to restrict egg intake, just not consume to excess. also ur a young guy, therefore, u havent been consuming that level of cholesterol for a long period of time. i never wish ill on anyone, but over a lifetime the damage accumulates. cardiac risk goes up dramatically for men after age 45. its not because they all started eating bacon and eggs for breakfast on their 45th birthday.

Redspikey: i didnt say the journal was small, some of the studies it was referencing are. but besides the point, no where in the articles it references does it say its ok ot eat 5-10 eggs a day. they all say "dietary restriction is not needed." which i infer to mean "resume normal dietary intake of eggs" i.e. 1-2 eggs a day. also one of the authors of those studies quoted is the VP of United Egg Producers.

BigE: i see ur point but excess protein does little if any harm. excess cholesterol, absolutely.

Built: i was reffering to the common examples given of my uncle eats deep fried bacon/egg sandwiches everyday and farmers eating a dozen eggs and grandmas eating tons of beef etc. not to healthy fats, grains, and protein. again genetics plays a role in cholesterol control, but as u learned, diet does as well.

this forum is not only about getting big, but doing it the right way. every food has its limit. why test the limit with something like eggs? i would suggest eating a normal amount of eggs and obtaining those additional protein, calories, and healthy fats that u want from other sources with less cholesterol.

RedSpikeyThing
04-05-2008, 04:01 PM
Redspikey: i didnt say the journal was small, some of the studies it was referencing are. but besides the point, no where in the articles it references does it say its ok ot eat 5-10 eggs a day. they all say "dietary restriction is not needed." which i infer to mean "resume normal dietary intake of eggs" i.e. 1-2 eggs a day. also one of the authors of those studies quoted is the VP of United Egg Producers.


To each their own. I would take "dietary restriction is not needed" to mean exactly that.....eat as many as you like.

Built
04-05-2008, 04:02 PM
Depends what's normal. I know lacto-ovo vegetarians who eat over a dozen eggs daily. Genetics my eye - nobody is born obese or with high cholesterol - but we are born with genetic tolerances to varying levels of carbohydrate. I dropped carbs way down, increased dietary fat - animal and plant - and my cholesterol dropped from "high enough to medicate" to "enviably low".

I am not unusual.

BFGUITAR
04-05-2008, 04:06 PM
Depends what's normal. I know lacto-ovo vegetarians who eat over a dozen eggs daily. Genetics my eye - nobody is born obese or with high cholesterol - but we are born with genetic tolerances to varying levels of carbohydrate. I dropped carbs way down, increased dietary fat - animal and plant - and my cholesterol dropped from "high enough to medicate" to "enviably low".

I am not unusual.

That's a lie and you know it!

Built
04-05-2008, 04:06 PM
I'm normal! I swear!

curiosity
04-06-2008, 03:05 AM
nzk - you are aware that eating deep fried dough isn't the same as eating healthy sources of fat and protein like eggs, right? That it's not healthy animal and monounsaturated fat that clogs your arteries, but rather, damaged vegetable oils, trans fats, and grains that are involved in the "deep fried America" phenomenon you are referring to, right?

I HAD high cholesterol - on my lowfat diet. I brought it DOWN eating more fat - including eggs and cheese - and less grain.
Trying not to come off as arse kissing here but i 100% agree, good post especially about damaged fats

nzk
04-06-2008, 10:03 PM
Genetics my eye - nobody is born obese or with high cholesterol

look up familial hypercholesterolemia.

Built
04-06-2008, 11:49 PM
I had high cholesterol hon. My whole family did. But high cholesterol didn't run in the family - our diet did. We ate wrong.

Now I eat more animal fat, more meat and fewer grains. Problem solved.

RedSpikeyThing
04-07-2008, 08:26 AM
I had high cholesterol hon. My whole family did. But high cholesterol didn't run in the family - our diet did. We ate wrong.

As much as I agree, I don't think you're going to solve the nature vs. nurture debate on an internet forum...

joelhall
04-07-2008, 10:01 AM
familial hypercholesterolemia lipid disorder runs in families and causes higher levels of blood cholesterol, but is fairly rare.

"i guess the entire medical community, the pharmaceutical industry, and years upon years of scientific research is dead wrong."

ill ask you this: if my house was on fire and i poured a bucket of water on it, why isnt it going out? theres not enough water, plain and simple. a couple of aspirin makes a headache go away, two packs and youre deep in it!

the dietary cholesterol in a few eggs is not going to block up anyones arteries unless you have some sort of predisposition to this.

roughly 80% or sometimes a little more or your blood cholesterol is produced in the liver mostly from saturated fats. this is quite normal and having a few eggs a day is hardly going to increase it much and clog you up. this isnt a high cholesterol diet. if he asked @im thinking of having an ounce of sheep brain stew every day, what do you think?@ than understandably id be worried for his health (and sanity).

but just because something can be caused by something doesnt mean its going to with small amounts. im sure youve heard the phrase 'in moderation', and ill wager that the entire medical community wouldnt have alarm bells ringing about some bodybuilder having 3 eggs a day. you can safely have alcohol in right amounts despite it technically being a toxin! even when nicoine is such a powerful poison, you can smoke a cigarette without dropping down dead instantly (unless youre on 60 a day for 30 years and have a heart attack). take that whole amount from the cigarette inject it and see how it affects you then.

high amounts = too much. too much ANYTHING is going to mess you up. too much water kills you! but you have a guy whos gonna be producing more testosterone and other hormones, and its unlikely this amount is going to have any sizable affect on his blood lipids.

of course i wont qualify as a doctor for a few years now, and it seems google knows it all;)

bas2178
04-07-2008, 11:28 AM
ok, seems everyone is doing ok in the US eating high cholesterol fried foods. i guess the reports of cardiac disease being the number one killer and stroke being number three in this country are also false. seems like those fat farmers are doing just fine. never mind that statin therapy has been shown to reduce heart attack risk up to 20%. its got nothing to do with cholesterol cloggin up those arteries.

small studies published in internet magazines do not qualify as good studies, especially when theyre endorsed by the american egg board (yes, those same fat farmers). its like getting your daily news from the grocery checkout line. just pick up any decent medical textbook and the link between choletesterol and heart attacks and strokes is written in plain english.:read:

but this is the internet generation and everyone is an online expert these days, so here's one from a respected journal looking at large randomized trials on statin therapy and cardiovascular risk: http://eurheartj.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/28/6/664

genetics also play a role in how one's body handles cholesterol excess. so what is cholesterol excess? one egg has 70% of the DV of cholesterol. so 3-4 eggs would be excess.

of course anything in moderation is ok, so eat ur eggs. but to believe that eggs dont do harm when eaten in excess, is pure fiction. which is what i think the OP was asking.

So if anyone already has a cardiac condition, statins work. You did see where all of the studies were "in patients with established cardiovascular disease."

There is currently no research out there on the effect of statins and cholesterol reduction in patients without existing cardiac inflammation. There have been no studies that show statins are effective in people without elevated CRP levels.

If you haven't read any of Gary Taubes articles on the whole dietary fats issue, you should.

Gary Taubes
“The Soft Science of Dietary Fat” (http://www.nasw.org/awards/2001/01Taubesarticle1.htm)

I believe he also has a book out that is an expanded version of this article.

dougyp
04-07-2008, 11:59 AM
Those studies that you're tauting, nzk, were done on average people with average lifestyles and average diets. We, here at WBB are not average people, we don't have average lifestyles and we certainly don't have average diets. We do well to consume our abnormally large amounts of cholesterol balancing fish-oils and fruits and vegetables. Most of us take our cardio seriously, at least I do and I don't care about what a study says, eggs are good for you. Moderation is in the eye of the beholder. I take my coenzyme-q10 and my I get my cocao polyphenols from my chocolate that I eat for insulin when I'm lifting. I'm not worrying about heart-disease, from eating eggs. Come one, that one's ridiculous. I eat my buckwheat pancakes daily with blueberries and orange juice. Did I mention 6 eggs?

nzk
04-07-2008, 01:03 PM
So if anyone already has a cardiac condition, statins work. You did see where all of the studies were "in patients with established cardiovascular disease."

There is currently no research out there on the effect of statins and cholesterol reduction in patients without existing cardiac inflammation.



i was just replying to ppl who said cholesterol has nothing to do with heart disease. that is just a blatantly wrong statement. if it were true, statins wouldnt work. hence the study i referred to on statins. also, statins have been shown to prevent plaque formation even when given BEFORE any risk factors develop like hypertension, hypercholesterolemia, etc.

doug: yes, i know that we are above average in many aspects. i was not arguing that point. just statements made by others here.

joel: u had said cholesterol doesnt block arteries. that statement is wrong.
i agree about ur statements regarding moderation. the OP had asked how many eggs is too many, and i think the limit on eggs is a lot closer to 3 a day than 10 a day. no, u wont "drop dead" tomorrow from it, but u will pay for it later on.

built: i know u had high cholesterol, i think u mentioned it a few times. im just refuting ur statement that genetics have nothing to do with high cholesterol. another wrong statement. or as u put it "your eye" :)

whew, i think this thread has gone off on a severe tangent, sorry if i offended anyone but i cant stand reading misinformation. theres a lot of it out there on the internet. thats why we still have colleges and schools. good luck to everyone on their diets, whatever it may be.

Built
04-07-2008, 02:05 PM
i was just replying to ppl who said cholesterol has nothing to do with heart disease. that is just a blatantly wrong statement. if it were true, statins wouldnt work.
Actually, that's not necessarily true. There is compelling scientific evidence that one of the mechanisms through which statins appear to work is the reduction of inflammation. Reducing blood cholesterol may well be a red herring if this is the case.



hence the study i referred to on statins. also, statins have been shown to prevent plaque formation even when given BEFORE any risk factors develop like hypertension, hypercholesterolemia, etc.

All the more reason to suspect it is the antiinflammatory nature of statins at work.



doug: yes, i know that we are above average in many aspects. i was not arguing that point. just statements made by others here.

joel: u had said cholesterol doesnt block arteries. that statement is wrong.

You may be confusing "dietary cholesterol" with "circulating cholesterol". It happens a lot, don't worry.




i agree about ur statements regarding moderation. the OP had asked how many eggs is too many, and i think the limit on eggs is a lot closer to 3 a day than 10 a day. no, u wont "drop dead" tomorrow from it, but u will pay for it later on.

I doubt that very much.





built: i know u had high cholesterol, i think u mentioned it a few times. im just refuting ur statement that genetics have nothing to do with high cholesterol.
Genetics have a lot to do with how we metabolize carbohydrates. Foods like grain and vegetable oil aren't particularly natural to humans. Some of us handle these contaminants worse than others. Put simply - it is hardly unusual that I would develop health problems when eating a low-fat, high-grain diet. LOTS of people do - it's not our natural diet. I wasn't born with high cholesterol, and the fact that it is now healthy and low again shows you that this was a diet-induced health problem, not some inescapable genetic flaw. I required no drugs and no weird interventions to correct the problem. I maintain that I have no particular disposition toward having high cholesterol - but I AM clearly more suited to eating more of a hunter/gatherer diet than an agrarian one.

Just like a lot of us here in North America.


another wrong statement. or as u put it "your eye" :)

My eye?





whew, i think this thread has gone off on a severe tangent, sorry if i offended anyone but i cant stand reading misinformation. theres a lot of it out there on the internet. thats why we still have colleges and schools. good luck to everyone on their diets, whatever it may be.

You can't stand reading information that goes against what you learned while drinking the kool aid.

'Sokay. I was like this too.

You get over it.

This guy did: http://www.spacedoc.net/statins_inflammation_heart_disease.html

cmaggs
04-07-2008, 02:53 PM
i see ur point but excess protein does little if any harm. excess cholesterol, absolutely.

Except kidney damage, osteoporosis, and possible heart damage.

Regardless this entire thread is moot. Four to five eggs daily (for an average person) is not going to hurt you, especially if you're training hard. A dozen eggs daily for years might lead to some problems down the line. What makes this thread pointless is that it depends on your genetics. If your family has a history of high BP then you may not want to eat 5 eggs a day. If you're family is relatively healthy with no history of such ailments then 12 eggs a day may not hurt you.

It all depends on your body.

RedSpikeyThing
04-07-2008, 03:32 PM
Except kidney damage, osteoporosis, and possible heart damage.


You might want to cite that one.

Keith
04-07-2008, 03:47 PM
You might want to cite that one.

:withstupi:

I'd like to see that as well.

bjohnso
04-07-2008, 04:30 PM
Except kidney damage, osteoporosis, and possible heart damage.

Regardless this entire thread is moot. Four to five eggs daily (for an average person) is not going to hurt you, especially if you're training hard. A dozen eggs daily for years might lead to some problems down the line. What makes this thread pointless is that it depends on your genetics. If your family has a history of high BP then you may not want to eat 5 eggs a day. If you're family is relatively healthy with no history of such ailments then 12 eggs a day may not hurt you.

It all depends on your body.

Why would training hard make it ok to eat 5 eggs a day (if in fact eating 5 eggs a day is bad) (that is a serious question and not a flame).

Genacide
04-07-2008, 05:50 PM
All this talk of eggs got me hungry for them. I just finished:
4 eggs
4 toast with real butter
4 slices of ham
1 slice of cheese
Glass of Milk


... is it bad that I'm still hungry :redface:

bjohnso
04-07-2008, 06:10 PM
All this talk of eggs got me hungry for them. I just finished:
4 eggs
4 toast with real butter
4 slices of ham
1 slice of cheese
Glass of Milk


... is it bad that I'm still hungry :redface:

Double it next time.:cool:

nzk
04-07-2008, 06:16 PM
sigh, built. i expected more than personal attacks from u and a book reference written by one lone doctor.

Built
04-07-2008, 06:41 PM
Except kidney damage, osteoporosis, and possible heart damage.

Increasing protein intake is protective of osteoporosis - particularly in the elderly. That one is citable.
There has never been a single documented case of high protein intake causing kidney damage in someone without pre-existing kidney disease.
Heart damage - now that one IS new. I await citations.


sigh, built. i expected more than personal attacks from u and a book reference written by one lone doctor.

I gave you a personal attack? Howso?

The inflammation one is old news. I edited IN that link to provide an example of how old news it is - there are references all through pubmed if you'd like to peruse further...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11434828

(note how many hits come up when you click that link)

Statins do appear to improve some markers of health. Thing is, it may be more significant that they do so by lowering inflammation. The lipid-lowering they induce may actually be a NEGATIVE. In other words, we need to look for a way to reduce systemic inflammation without lowering lipid levels - since we actually NEED those!

Learn to read before you mouth off.

Invain
04-07-2008, 07:37 PM
sigh, built. i expected more than personal attacks from u and a book reference written by one lone doctor.


i was just replying to ppl who said cholesterol has nothing to do with heart disease.

Nobody in here has attacked you. I'd say this has been a very tame discussion compared to some of the other threads on wbb.

Nobody in here is claiming that cholesterol has nothing to do with heart disease. You're just back peddling now because you have nothing else to argue. Most of us are referring to the fact that dietary cholesterol doesn't raise cholesterol levels to nearly the extent that people think. Eating foods high in cholesterol like eggs is perfectly fine.

cmaggs
04-08-2008, 10:18 AM
Well I'm far from an MD but I was told to much protein can cause hyperfiltration of the kidney and kidney stones.

Ramstein85
04-08-2008, 03:56 PM
My breakfast consists of a cup of oats cooked with half a cup of milk and water. Then i have three hardboiled eggs. Always. Everyday. Eggs are my Solid protein shake of the morning ;)

Technical Itch
04-08-2008, 04:10 PM
I eat 24 eggs a day, go critique my diet. Thanks

Fixxit
04-08-2008, 05:23 PM
So, this may be an obvious question, but I'll ask anyway....

Why not just eat your 5-7 eggs and just 1 yolk?

Genacide
04-08-2008, 05:31 PM
So, this may be an obvious question, but I'll ask anyway....

Why not just eat your 5-7 eggs and just 1 yolk?

I assume if your eating 1 yolk that your 5-7 whites are coming from whole eggs that your throwing the yolks away. If thats the case then...

Wasteful, nothing worse than throwing good food away.

Fixxit
04-08-2008, 05:55 PM
Funny thats what the cooks say in this po-dunk hic town when I order a egg white omlette. I try to explain to them that they can keep the yolks for themselves if they want and call it a tip. Needless to say, I make my own eggwhite omlettes now.

I also throw away the chicken skins, livers, hearts, intestine (instert other innards herre ____), and neck, but that's just me I guess... So, I take it you eat the cow eyes, testicles, tounge, brain? Holy gout, doctor!

just sayin...

8-P

Built
04-08-2008, 06:50 PM
Well I'm far from an MD but I was told to much protein can cause hyperfiltration of the kidney and kidney stones.

I was told the earth is flat.

We need to party!

Seriously, how come you believed it?

Funny thats what the cooks say in this po-dunk hic town when I order a egg white omlette. I try to explain to them that they can keep the yolks for themselves if they want and call it a tip. Needless to say, I make my own eggwhite omlettes now.

I also throw away the chicken skins, livers, hearts, intestine (instert other innards herre ____), and neck, but that's just me I guess... So, I take it you eat the cow eyes, testicles, tounge, brain? Holy gout, doctor!

just sayin...

8-P
Chicken skin is yummy roasted. The livers make an awesome pâté, and the hearts are wonderful in soup. The necks cook up nicely in the soup too - lots of good gelatine. Intestine is okay deep-fried (what isn't!), testicles are called "prairie oysters" by some, tongue is lovely with raisin sauce, and brain is a delicacy. Now I draw the line at eyeballs... tried fish eyeballs once. They're weird, kinda powdery.

How would this stuff give you gout?

Fixxit
04-09-2008, 01:20 AM
LMAO Built.... While I respect you, ummm.... flippin YUCK! LOL

I have eaten wierd crap before too, but to make it a normal everyday part of my diet egg yolks? EWW! Sorry but them yellow runny arse cholesterol filled sacks of puke make me sick.

I love bluefin drippin with blood while the fish is still flopping on the boat, but to get me to suck out its eye?

Beef liver, ok well, dessicated and in tabs ok, but on a plate? NOT EVEN WITH ONIONS! LOL

My point was simple, if you want the protein from the eggs, leave out the gross yellow crap, and shove down as many eggs as you want a day.

LOL rasin sauce, ummm... You are my new goddess ... lol (I mean that in a sick demented way)

Built
04-09-2008, 01:43 AM
I'll take sick and demented!

And I freaking LOVE egg yolks. Mmmmm... hardboiled eggs with the yolk JUST a titch squidgy, soft poached on a bed of steamed spinach with hollandaise and crumbled bacon, soft boiled with the yolk all runny for dipping.

<sigh>

God I love food.

And yes, I will eat damned near anything. Hell, I can pretty much make ANYTHING taste good.

Kinda explains my former weight problem, actually.

cmaggs
04-09-2008, 01:22 PM
I was told the earth is flat.

Dr. Hostetter says that, "in some people, a diet high in protein may lead to kidney stones because extra protein causes calcium to be excreted from the body, raising calcium levels in the urine".
www.nih.gov

Like I said I'm not a doctor but there are educated people out there who believe, or have seen, kidney stones forming from excessive protein intake. But I'll take you up on that party!

RedSpikeyThing
04-09-2008, 02:40 PM
Dr. Hostetter says that, "in some people, a diet high in protein may lead to kidney stones because extra protein causes calcium to be excreted from the body, raising calcium levels in the urine".
www.nih.gov

Like I said I'm not a doctor but there are educated people out there who believe, or have seen, kidney stones forming from excessive protein intake. But I'll take you up on that party!

You should give that quote some context:

"Myth: Eating certain foods will cause kidney stones to develop.
Fact: Not usually.

In general, scientists don't think that eating any specific foods causes stones to form in people who are not already susceptible. Dr. Hostetter says that, in some people, a diet high in protein may lead to kidney stones because extra protein causes calcium to be excreted from the body, raising calcium levels in the urine. For a person without any history of kidney stones, a diet with moderate amounts of protein should be followed, he advises. "

Fixxit
04-09-2008, 09:23 PM
I'll take sick and demented!

And I freaking LOVE egg yolks. Mmmmm... hardboiled eggs with the yolk JUST a titch squidgy, soft poached on a bed of steamed spinach with hollandaise and crumbled bacon, soft boiled with the yolk all runny for dipping.

<sigh>

God I love food.

And yes, I will eat damned near anything. Hell, I can pretty much make ANYTHING taste good.

Kinda explains my former weight problem, actually.

LOL, you got a single sister? I have a hard enough time getting women I date to eat seared Tuna, and you should see the look when I say that those little orange things on the outside of that roll are fish eggs... 8-)

I can understand the occasional exotic foods, but we are talking about a regular diet here. To include a "*Potentially*" dangerous food on a regular basis, is a little risky. I am 45 (next month) and I have eaten healty most all of my life. I can't stand the texture of meat fat in my mouth. For years I ate real butter rather than margarine, and am still reading on the canola oil thing. Olive Oil FTW! /digress

Sorry, I almost went on a tangent. My point is, why not error on the side of caution? If egg yolks might clog your arteries, then separate the egg!

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On a side note, if you like egg yolks try a real carbonara! This is the only way I will eat more than one lol.... http://www.chow.com/recipes/10652
God I love Italian food, and it is just as much fun to cook. Mario Bartoli Is my God!

Built
04-09-2008, 09:43 PM
Dr. Hostetter says that, "in some people, a diet high in protein may lead to kidney stones because extra protein causes calcium to be excreted from the body, raising calcium levels in the urine".
www.nih.gov

Like I said I'm not a doctor but there are educated people out there who believe, or have seen, kidney stones forming from excessive protein intake. But I'll take you up on that party!
Find one. Find me a person who has been harmed by eating a lot of protein.

Note - I am NOT talking about a person with kidney disease, okay? They can't handle a high-protein diet, but they can't handle bananas either - a single banana can kill a man on dialysis. I'm talking relatively healthy people who are not in renal failure.

I'll wait.


You should give that quote some context:

"Myth: Eating certain foods will cause kidney stones to develop.
Fact: Not usually.

In general, scientists don't think that eating any specific foods causes stones to form in people who are not already susceptible. Dr. Hostetter says that, in some people, a diet high in protein may lead to kidney stones because extra protein causes calcium to be excreted from the body, raising calcium levels in the urine. For a person without any history of kidney stones, a diet with moderate amounts of protein should be followed, he advises. "

Note the word "may".

He's actually not citing evidence - he's postulating. I can postulate about things too, but this isn't the same as scientific evidence. The fact of the matter is, if there WERE any scientific evidence, the good doctor would have cited it.


LOL, you got a single sister? I have a hard enough time getting women I date to eat seared Tuna, and you should see the look when I say that those little orange things on the outside of that roll are fish eggs... 8-)

I can understand the occasional exotic foods, but we are talking about a regular diet here. To include a "*Potentially*" dangerous food on a regular basis, is a little risky. I am 45 (next month) and I have eaten healty most all of my life. I can't stand the texture of meat fat in my mouth. For years I ate real butter rather than margarine, and am still reading on the canola oil thing. Olive Oil FTW! /digress

Sorry, I almost went on a tangent. My point is, why not error on the side of caution? If egg yolks might clog your arteries, then separate the egg!

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On a side note, if you like egg yolks try a real carbonara! This is the only way I will eat more than one lol.... http://www.chow.com/recipes/10652
God I love Italian food, and it is just as much fun to cook. Mario Bartoli Is my God!
I'm afraid wheat isn't a particularly healthy food. Grains. Not something I'd eat on a daily basis - but the yolks, those I'll eat any day of the week!

Keep in mind, I'm your age and I restored myself to good health by ditching most grains and increasing my consumption of meat and eggs.

And I have 12 years of blood tests that support I'm doing the right thing.

Fixxit
04-09-2008, 10:13 PM
LOL *OUCH* you pulled the wheat card! LMAO... ok well my grandmas parents were straight off the boat from Sicily, and I have to pull the lineage card. Polenta, pasta, & rice I am not sure I could live without them. Where do you get your carbs from?

I would love to read anything you have on the ill effects of grains. Maybe make another post to prevent a derail, or PM.

RedSpikeyThing
04-09-2008, 10:25 PM
I would love to read anything you have on the ill effects of grains. Maybe make another post to prevent a derail, or PM.
Post it please, I'd like to read it too :)

Built
04-09-2008, 10:37 PM
More of a tolerance issue than anything else. Nobody actually NEEDS grains - but natural saturated fats are important to health.

But since you asked, here's a vid...


v8WA5wcaHp4&e

Honestly, if you can handle them I'm sure you're fine. Grains make me hungry so I tend to avoid them.

Fixxit
04-09-2008, 10:49 PM
LOL ok that was funny. Not entirely true but it gets the point across. I guess it would depend on if you were a current event type Christian or the other scientific type catagory. If you take the current event Christian that believes that the world is only 6000 (or so) years old, then that vid is complete bogus, for the Egyptains ate grain and alot of it as did most of the middle east. If you are slightly more Darwinian, then it is still off by a few percent given the written record.

Either way, I agree, tolerance and moderation.

You still didn't answer, where do you get your carbs from when NOT cutting? And, do you have a single sister? (lol on the latter)

Built
04-09-2008, 11:20 PM
I get my carbs from the same place cutting as bulking - everything lol!

I eat wheat rarely though - I don't handle it well. Makes me hungry.

Now, I'm assuming you mean starches in particular, right? I eat lots of veggies, and a little fruit - but these aren't concentrated sources of glucose and glucose polymers.

Oats I'm okay, I eat them on training days. Same with rice, white or brown I'm fine. Sweet potatoes are also a favourite, as are boiled baby potatoes. I love those things!

It's not a GI thing. I'm fine with white rice post workout. I just don't do well when I eat a lot of starches - I get too damned hungry and I just can't turn it off.

I favour protein, fat, and veggies in my diet. Keeps me healthy and comfortable.

Built
04-09-2008, 11:20 PM
PS my sisters are in their fifties.

Fixxit
04-10-2008, 12:10 AM
PS my sisters are in their fifties.

lol dangit... 8-)

bjohnso
04-10-2008, 12:53 AM
More of a tolerance issue than anything else. Nobody actually NEEDS grains - but natural saturated fats are important to health.

But since you asked, here's a vid...


v8WA5wcaHp4&e

Honestly, if you can handle them I'm sure you're fine. Grains make me hungry so I tend to avoid them.

That's incredible. Thanks for posting that. Bookmarked (for my mom).

Built
04-10-2008, 01:15 AM
It's pretty amazing how badly we've been hosed.

Not me. Not anymore.

RedSpikeyThing
04-10-2008, 08:43 AM
Great video built, thanks.