Question for first cycle...

[T-Unit]

I'm 20 years old and have been lifting for about 5 years. I'm interested in doing my first cycle but I don't want huge amounts of gains where it's obvious I have been taking aas. Since that's the case, I've been thinking about going with tren or winnie, but I'm not sure if I'll be able to get the tren and I've heard winnie is quite expensive, especially for my broke college ass. What else would you suggest I do some research on for solid gains but not huge amounts of it?

[Ramstein85]

Your best bet if you are looking for something on the easier to acquire side is Trenbolone. You can make it yourself there are some detailed guides out there and thee is one where you can order a video showing you step by step how to do it but i forgot the websites name. In the mean look at this:

http://www.elitefitness.com/articledata/fina/

But dont take my word for it ive never taken or tried making it. From what i hear winstrol is shyte

[RBB]

tren only is a bad idea, as is winstrol. i really don't think steroids are what you're looking for. sounds like what you want can be accomplished through proper diet and training alone, you don't need gear to do it. not to mention you're too young. sounds like you're being lazy and just trying to take the easy way out. why do you want to use gear if you're not looking for big gains?

i think you need to do quite a bit more research, bro. your gains aren't really going to be determined by the type of AAS you're shooting into your ass. if you don't want big gains, then don't eat big. get what i'm saying?

[bill]

Try Results everyone is raving about it.

[Nosaj]

Try Results everyone is raving about it.

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[HahnB]

I'm interested in doing my first cycle but I don't want huge amounts of gains

That's classic. Come back in a few years.

[Ramstein85]

Yeah man whats up with that 'huge amounts of gains' ****. thats the whole point of AAS. To get as big as you can while staying as lean as you can. unless im missing something here

[method115]

your gains aren't really going to be determined by the type of AAS you're shooting into your ass. if you don't want big gains, then don't eat big. get what i'm saying?

This is exactly right, if I were you I would do a ton of research before even attempting to do a cycle. I would start with a test only cycle though when you are ready.

[method115]

Yeah man whats up with that 'huge amounts of gains' ****. thats the whole point of AAS. To get as big as you can while staying as lean as you can. unless im missing something here

This is a typical topic from people who are afraid of being called out for using AAS.

People were already saying this about me before I even thought about using AAS so it's never been a concern for me.

[T-Unit]

Well first off I've been training for a couple years but I actually lost weight when I went off to college, not being able to eat properly being on a meal plan and all. However, I've maintained my lifting as much as possible but sometimes class and studying gets in the way. So yes, maybe I am looking for a small short cut in regaining my lost weight. And believe me, I want to eat properly as much as I can but I'm not in a situation where I can.

Also yes, I am looking for good gains while staying as lean as possible but I want it to be as natural looking as possible. Get what I'm saying?

[Unholy]

Yea and based on what you are saying aas are a terrible idea mate.

[TEFLONE NINJA]

i dont get what your saying cause know matter if you did a couple of cycles the way your going about things you wont be big at all and it takes extreme hard work and dedication to be freakin big, and bro it does not take that long to burn calories if you do so good cardio, and it is not like you have to do it for hours. just push yourself as hard as you can, eat clean, get good sleep and **** you see a big difference, but first of all stop trying to cut corners and take the easy way out cause all your doing is wasting time.

[Ramstein85]

Im still mastering the bulk and cut. When ive done that five times or more i might think about aas...

[ReDo]

I can empathize with the OP. I've long considered gear but never had the cajones to pull the trigger because I wasn't sure how it would affect me specifically.

Don't get me wrong I, like many of you, want to get bigger. It's just that I don't want to look like a bloated walking zit and I'd like to get bigger quicker. I'm also not too keen on injections which rules out Deca - quite possibly the best AS for what I would like to achieve.

So, I'm left with a dilemma. Either take the orally available AS out there and achieve results that could likely be realised over time through hard work and optimal nutrition or take the other orally available AS out there and gain 20lbs of water weight, watch my face smell, and have a vicious case of bacne.

Anyone familiar with a deca like oral AS?

[RBB]

Anyone familiar with a deca like oral AS?

why anyone would want to run a deca only cycle is beyond me. extremely bad idea, imo. check out the first cycle sticky and run that, bro. you'll be pleased with the results, i guarantee you. bloat can be largely controlled by watching your diet/sodium intake. and if you're unable to do that some adex will take care of you.

[Ramstein85]

Oral only is caca :/

[RBB]

Oral only is caca :/

yes, that's also true. if you're not ready to inject, then you might as well not even think about it. yeah, everyone is probably scared their first time or two, but there's really nothing to it.

[HILL]

read the first cycle sticky thats what its there for and ramstein85 please dont give advice out to newbies that it horribly wrong and would lead to seriouse problems for some inexperienced