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Keith
05-20-2008, 01:20 PM
Recently I've experienced a lot of pain in my groin area. It's now to the point where it's intolerable and I'm unable to squat or pull with a wide stance. It runs from the top inner portion of my thighs to roughly the hip area. I experience this only when pulling with a sumo stance and squatting with a wide stance. What has caused this and how can I fix this problem?

Thanks in advance, guys.

Reko
05-20-2008, 01:50 PM
Try getting some breifs maybe?
Wide stance is pretty brutal on the hips and they have helped me with hip issues.

jbrin0tk
05-20-2008, 02:07 PM
Try getting some breifs maybe?
Wide stance is pretty brutal on the hips and they have helped me with hip issues.


What would be a good first pair of briefs to get? Also, what is the price range generally?

Reko
05-20-2008, 03:16 PM
I started out with Frantz (they were hand me downs, not by choice) but I think they are pretty good to start with. They aren't crazy with the material in terms of being crazy stiff so I think those are a good place to start. They are all I have used though, but that would be my reccomendation. They aren't too pricey i want to say in the 60-70 dollar range, but could be wrong. Again, mine were used :P.

I have heard inzer's power pants are similar but I have never tried nor seen them.

Blackhawk08
05-20-2008, 05:22 PM
Hernia mabey?

Keith
05-20-2008, 06:17 PM
Try getting some breifs maybe?
Wide stance is pretty brutal on the hips and they have helped me with hip issues.

Briefs would actually help with this issue because they take a lot more stress off the hips? So should I train in briefs for a few weeks straight then test out my raw squat every forth week or so to reduce the amount of stress on my hips? Anyone else have anything to add to this?



What would be a good first pair of briefs to get? Also, what is the price range generally?

I'll be making another thread on this soon if people recommend me getting a pair. Or, make one yourself instead of the hijack.



Hernia mabey?

No.

jbrin0tk
05-20-2008, 06:39 PM
Briefs would actually help with this issue because they take a lot more stress off the hips? So should I train in briefs for a few weeks straight then test out my raw squat every forth week or so to reduce the amount of stress on my hips? Anyone else have anything to add to this?




I'll be making another thread on this soon if people recommend me getting a pair. Or, make one yourself instead of the hijack.




No.


Umm...ok. No need to be rude about it.

Keith
05-20-2008, 06:43 PM
Umm...ok. No need to be rude about it.

Lol, don't take offense to that. It was a joke.

jbrin0tk
05-20-2008, 06:50 PM
Lol, don't take offense to that. It was a joke.

It's all good, man. No biggie! I was asking because we are in the same boat as far as the groin(although I obviously didn't make that clear), and the subject was brought up. Thanks for clarifying, though, and good luck!

Keith
05-20-2008, 06:54 PM
Thanks, I'll need it. I've gotten quite a bit of different opinions on this. Is your pain in the same spot as mine and with a wide stance as well? I'm calling a specialist tomorrow and let you know what he tells me. I wanted some opinions from experienced guys on here who've been under the bar who have felt the same thing and what they did to get over it and prevent it down the road.

jbrin0tk
05-20-2008, 07:04 PM
Thanks, I'll need it. I've gotten quite a bit of different opinions on this. Is your pain in the same spot as mine and with a wide stance as well? I'm calling a specialist tomorrow and let you know what he tells me. I wanted some opinions from experienced guys on here who've been under the bar who have felt the same thing and what they did to get over it and prevent it down the road.

Yeah, I definitely understand getting the opinions of the big dogs in here. And yes, my pain sounds exactly like what you have. It starts right at the top of my thighs to around the hip area. And it, too, happens when I squat with a wider stance. Pisses me off because I've been trying to widen it out slowly but the groin is acting up again. I've never had problems with it in any other activity, just wide stance squatting. Thanks in advance for sharing the info you get from the specialist. I appreciate that a lot!

WORLD
05-20-2008, 07:11 PM
Keith, dont be mean to other members on the board!

I pulled my groin snowboarding. I would usually warm up a bit, then follow that with a nice groin stretch. But, I suggest basically taking it easy. It's trying to heal and I doubt squatting is going to do anything but slow the process.

I'm sure you've Google'd it before. Haven't you found anything on the net?

Reko
05-20-2008, 07:11 PM
for me, it was the front of my hips, right at the crease if i were to be sitting in a chair. i put on the briefs and i never had that issue again.

Keith
05-20-2008, 07:43 PM
Keith, dont be mean to other members on the board!

I pulled my groin snowboarding. I would usually warm up a bit, then follow that with a nice groin stretch. But, I suggest basically taking it easy. It's trying to heal and I doubt squatting is going to do anything but slow the process.

I'm sure you've Google'd it before. Haven't you found anything on the net?

**** you.

This is different from pulling my groin. The area that's sore isn't the area that needs to be treated. I've been doing my research and couldn't find much because there were a bunch of things that were different with similar pain. I've emailed the boys at elitefts. I'll see what they say.



for me, it was the front of my hips, right at the crease if i were to be sitting in a chair. i put on the briefs and i never had that issue again.

Yeah, the pain isn't there for me. But if the briefs take away a lot of the stress from the hips, maybe it's something I should look into.

Keith
05-21-2008, 09:48 AM
Copied and pasted from the specialist I talked to:


From what you described your “cause” is a loss of the transition from form to force closure of the lumbo-pelvic joints. This results in a strain/sprain type of injury to the ilio-lumbar ligament (which embryologically refers pain to the bilateral groin region). The treatment depends upon what is lost. I.E. dysfunction or loss of pelvic stability from the posterior or ventral oblique slings. The hamstrings will always appear to be short but are actually doing the work of the aforementioned slings in an attempt to stabilize the pelvic girdle during nutation and counter nutation motions from below. The second part of this is within the bracing mechanism of the lateral slings which are implicated during the squatting or dead lift motions you are currently doing. Keith this is about a simple as it gets assuming those who read it have a working knowledge of complex human biomechanics and the maintenance of the neutral zone motions of the lumbar spinal and pelvic motion units.



Now, if only I could understand this...

He did, however, tell me in order to fix this issue, I'd need to ice my lower back right below the waist line and I'd be out from doing any wide stance lifts for 3-6 weeks.

:thumbup:

Rusty
05-21-2008, 10:18 AM
If you want, I'll take a look at your groin at the Toronto meet.

Ben Moore
05-21-2008, 10:20 AM
If you want, I'll take a look at your groin at the Toronto meet.

Are you hitting on him - that's another board I think...:hello:

Keith
05-21-2008, 10:21 AM
Are you hitting on me now?

If not, I'll take you seriously... for once. I'm not sure what you could look at, though. I passed that message along to the chiro and I'm going to see them again and see what they can do. Other than that, the specialist just recommended that I should ice.

What do you think about briefs? Do you think they'd take a lot of stress off my hips?

RhodeHouse
05-21-2008, 10:46 AM
You have a groin strain. I have the same thing going on right now. Go see a PT to get some good stretches and rehab for it. If you don't address it, you'll spend months, if not years battling it. The groin is a very touchy area, so take care of it, or you'll be hurting for a long time.

vdizenzo
05-21-2008, 10:54 AM
"The groin is a touchy area." Rhodes, you are a wordsmith.

Rusty
05-21-2008, 11:38 AM
Are you hitting on me now?

Maybe...............



If not, I'll take you seriously... for once. I'm not sure what you could look at, though. I passed that message along to the chiro and I'm going to see them again and see what they can do. Other than that, the specialist just recommended that I should ice.

What do you think about briefs? Do you think they'd take a lot of stress off my hips?

I was just kidding about looking at your groin.... Unless ofcourse you want me to look at your groin, in which case, something can be arranged.

There's no doubt that briefs or a squat suit take a huge amount of stress off the hips. If you want to get a pair, go for it, but I'd lay off the heavy stuff until this is all sorted out.

I honestly have no idea what's wrong with you. Does it feel muscular? Or does it feel like a joint problem in the hip ? If the professional says ice it, then ice it. I've had groin pain before, and I treat it the same way I treat pretty much any other pain I get.

- Hot baths (if you're not screaming, it's not hot enough)
- Massage, foam rolling, golf ball rolling, etc.
- Stretching
- KEEP IT MOVING. Give it time, but keep it active.

With all that said, listen to your doctor, and more importantly, listen to your body.

jbrin0tk
05-21-2008, 01:59 PM
Copied and pasted from the specialist I talked to:


From what you described your “cause” is a loss of the transition from form to force closure of the lumbo-pelvic joints. This results in a strain/sprain type of injury to the ilio-lumbar ligament (which embryologically refers pain to the bilateral groin region). The treatment depends upon what is lost. I.E. dysfunction or loss of pelvic stability from the posterior or ventral oblique slings. The hamstrings will always appear to be short but are actually doing the work of the aforementioned slings in an attempt to stabilize the pelvic girdle during nutation and counter nutation motions from below. The second part of this is within the bracing mechanism of the lateral slings which are implicated during the squatting or dead lift motions you are currently doing. Keith this is about a simple as it gets assuming those who read it have a working knowledge of complex human biomechanics and the maintenance of the neutral zone motions of the lumbar spinal and pelvic motion units.



Now, if only I could understand this...

He did, however, tell me in order to fix this issue, I'd need to ice my lower back right below the waist line and I'd be out from doing any wide stance lifts for 3-6 weeks.

:thumbup:


Keith, thanks for posting that info. I appreciate it.

Keith
05-21-2008, 02:15 PM
You have a groin strain. I have the same thing going on right now. Go see a PT to get some good stretches and rehab for it. If you don't address it, you'll spend months, if not years battling it. The groin is a very touchy area, so take care of it, or you'll be hurting for a long time.

It's not a groin strain. It seems that I have some strained/pulled ligaments in the pelvic region. That is causing my groin and upper thighs to be painful when doing anything with a wide stance.



There's no doubt that briefs or a squat suit take a huge amount of stress off the hips. If you want to get a pair, go for it, but I'd lay off the heavy stuff until this is all sorted out.

With all that said, listen to your doctor, and more importantly, listen to your body.

I'm going to look into some briefs. Actually, I'll make a thread about it.



Keith, thanks for posting that info. I appreciate it.

No problem.






I just got back from the chiro and he agreed with everything that I posted there. I'll be going back for regular treatments but the only thing he recommended me doing at home is ice and a couple of stretches that he gave me to do.

Detard
05-21-2008, 02:46 PM
It's not a groin strain. It seems that I have some strained/pulled ligaments in the pelvic region. That is causing my groin and upper thighs to be painful when doing anything with a wide stance.

From the pain you described, it sounds like a groin strain. I pulled my groin playing football this year and I had pain radiate all the way down to my knees. I think your idea of a groin strain is a little bit construed.

vdizenzo
05-21-2008, 02:48 PM
It's a groin strain.

Keith
05-21-2008, 02:50 PM
From the pain you described, it sounds like a groin strain. I pulled my groin playing football this year and I had pain radiate all the way down to my knees. I think your idea of a groin strain is a little bit construed.

Construed? Lol, tell that to the chiropractors and the specialist I talked to. It's not a groin strain.

RedSpikeyThing
05-21-2008, 03:13 PM
I had the same thing happen. For me it was matter of squatting with a more narrow stance. Until it heals up, you might be able to get away with front squat, hack squat, etc. If it causes pain, don't do it. Seriously.

Construed? Lol, tell that to the chiropractors and the specialist I talked to. It's not a groin strain.

if you taolkd to specialits, why are you asking us for advice?

Keith
05-21-2008, 03:26 PM
I had the same thing happen. For me it was matter of squatting with a more narrow stance. Until it heals up, you might be able to get away with front squat, hack squat, etc. If it causes pain, don't do it. Seriously.

Yeah, the narrow stance felt great yesterday. I went heavy with them and no issues whatsoever. It's ONLY when I go wide. I could probably pull conventionally, too. Even though I can't stand it.



if you taolkd to specialits, why are you asking us for advice?

If you read the thread, you'd see that I created it yesterday but spoke to a specialist this morning and saw a chiropractor today.

RedSpikeyThing
05-21-2008, 04:08 PM
Yeah, the narrow stance felt great yesterday. I went heavy with them and no issues whatsoever. It's ONLY when I go wide. I could probably pull conventionally, too. Even though I can't stand it.

For what it's worth, I pulled in my stance probably 5" and it solved all of my problems :)



If you read the thread, you'd see that I created it yesterday but spoke to a specialist this morning and saw a chiropractor today.

:)

DrDudley-Robey
05-25-2008, 06:13 PM
See your MD - Ask about anti-inflam treatments. That with rest and streching (physical therapy) is your fastest route to recovery provided there is no major injury.

feel better

RhodeHouse
05-25-2008, 09:31 PM
It's a groin strain

WORLD
05-25-2008, 09:44 PM
uhh Keith....It's a groin strain.

Mad Max
05-26-2008, 07:34 AM
I've had what may be the same problem. Indeed I still have the same problem, and it is now essential that I take certain precautions to ensure the problem doesn't interfere with my squatting. It's a pain that can be particularly sharp when you hit the bottom of the squat, particularly if you go wide, as you stated, am I right?

It could be a combination of the following:

-Inactive glutes. Weak or inactive glute that force muscles of the hip and groin area, particularly the hip flexor muscles, to overcompensate (I think it may be psoas major or minor that were hurting in my case, but I don't know).
-Tight hamstrings. I don't know, but tight hamstrings seem to cause a lot of problems just about everywhere.
-Overall lack of hip flexibility or mobility.
-Have you a history of low back pain. My groin started to hurt shortly after a low back injury, which is connected with the last two points.

Things that have helped me remedy the problem:

-Glute activation work. Do glute bridges every day, and particularly before a lower body session. Do a few sets of 15 just to get the glutes firing. I dunno I think it has helped me.
-Do BW squats and lunes every day. This can help keep the hips mobile etc.
-Static stretches. Don't neglect these, they can help. I do static hip stretches everyday, where you lie on your back and pull your knee up to the adjacent shoulder for each side.
-Simply adopting a squat position whenever you can. Initially you can use something for balance.
-Stretch those hamstrings.
-Hard pressure work on your groin area. By hard pressure I mean like foam rolling, but maybe with something else, because frankly trying to foam roal your groin makes you look like a dismembered ant. Rather, try a hard tennis ball, or even just your fist. It seems to work for me.

Seriously if I don't do at least some of the above for at least 3-4 days leading up to my squat session, the I know it's gonna be a painful session.

I hope that helps.