did my research but still confused

[bako stud]

so i want to do my first cycle and ill explain the best i can. im 19 years old, weight 190, height 5'11', and i have approx 15% bf. my lifts are about. bench 285, squat 325, dl 405. my routine is pretty solid and i will be eating ALOT. mostly meat and the fruits and vegies and pasta and stuff. im going to try and get about 4000 calories, 350 protein,300 carbs and 150 fats. this is what i want to be doing. 500mg of test E a week and 250 mg of deca a week. i will be splitting those in half so i will shoot twice a week (mon and thur) for a total of 10 weeks. i want to use nolvadex as a pct but im hearing that i should use also HCG, and clomid with it. my main problem is my pct can i get some help, thanks a ton guys

[Nosaj]

You're too young. Gonna stunt any possible future growth (height) and not necessary to gain mass at your age, so why risk it?

That being said, your diet sounds like it sucks. A vague general idea is only going to get you vague, general results. You have no business using AAS if you don't even know how many calories you bulk on or what your maintenance calories are. Think it's a magic pill that sorts out the details?

Above everything else, your bf% is too high. Cut down to 10-12% before you even start about making the foolish decision you're already planning out.

Sticky says suggested age for gear, what makes you the exception?

[RBB]

agreed. you are too young, period. mods, can we get an age limit to post in the anabolic zone? too many 18 year olds asking about running cycles. bad idea.

[BFGUITAR]

agreed. you are too young, period. mods, can we get an age limit to post in the anabolic zone? too many 18 year olds asking about running cycles. bad idea.

There are stupid kids everywhere. They're going to do it either way, at least give them the right info.

[RBB]

There are stupid kids everywhere. They're going to do it either way, at least give them the right info.

the right info is don't do it as far as i'm concerned. i honestly think anyone under 25 has no business touching AAS. and under 20? you've got to be kidding me, pull your head out of your ass (not you, bf, the kids).

[Nosaj]

There are stupid kids everywhere. They're going to do it either way, at least give them the right info.

You really think just because they are too stubborn to listen to advice and run an ill advised cycle that justifies helping them out? I think when you are willing to put a needle filled with a foreign liquid (as in one not prescribed by a doctor) and inject it into yourself then you are willing to enjoy the consequences of your actions. Funny thing is most young kids are to scared to pin so they run orals only, doing just as much damage with a fraction of the benefit. If they would just wait a couple years and research diet in the meantime they would be in such a better place when they get older, much more efficient gains as well as being able to retain mass post-cycle.

[method115]

You really think just because they are too stubborn to listen to advice and run an ill advised cycle that justifies helping them out? I think when you are willing to put a needle filled with a foreign liquid (as in one not prescribed by a doctor) and inject it into yourself then you are willing to enjoy the consequences of your actions. Funny thing is most young kids are to scared to pin so they run orals only, doing just as much damage with a fraction of the benefit. If they would just wait a couple years and research diet in the meantime they would be in such a better place when they get older, much more efficient gains as well as being able to retain mass post-cycle.

I don't think it justifies helping them but I do agree with BF. It's just better to help them and if you feel they shouldn't be using then say that first and foremost along with consequences. Thats why I like to PM people to another AAS board, this other board is willing to help regardless of how stupid you are, they'll hold your hand through the whole process and give a step by step on how to do everything. I think this is tremendous and I've read many post from people who they have helped thanking them.

[bako stud]

thank you method for at least trying to give me the answer to my question. whould u be able to PM me that AAS board?

[Invain]

the right info is don't do it as far as i'm concerned. i honestly think anyone under 25 has no business touching AAS. and under 20? you've got to be kidding me, pull your head out of your ass (not you, bf, the kids).

While I agree many poeple use aas at way to young an age, I'm interested as to why you use 25 as an age limit? To a certain point age is a big factor I agree, but I see many poeple well over 25 that are just as stupid/ignorant and have no business using steroids. Sure this kid is obviously not ready no matter his age, but I see plenty of poeple, even some that post on wbb (nobody in this thread) that are older than 25 and use gear and I actually laugh to think that's what they look like/how strong they after using aas. The golden rule always preached in here is to not even think about using gear untill you've reached your natural limit. I see nothing wrong, however, with some 18 year old freak of nature that is in every way ready to use. If they really want to and understand the risks, go for it.

I'm pretty sure RBB you're saying 25 because some poeple are still growing and maturing well after 18, for example, right? I completely agree, but everybody is different and some people mature way faster. I'd rather worry about their physical condition than an exact age, to a certain point of course.

[skydeaner]

Well, lets not do an age limit, how about a blood level limit. Test and free test or something. Why does everyone think 19yr old males have so much test that they can't benefit from more? And i know a lot of 16 yr olds that are fully grown if you bring up the bone plate fusing thing. I am not trying to encourage anything, but there are so many factors, you need more qualifying questions than just shooting everyone down.

[Unholy]

I don't believe in the whole "don't use gear under 25" theory but based on your body composition, weight, lifting experience, and age (19!?!) I think you are no where near ready.

[BFGUITAR]

I say 25 because a HUGE majority of men would have reached prime maturity at that point. It takes away any guess work.

I personally wouldn't bother with teen idiots. I would tell them what I thought and than give them the right information because either way they're going to use it if they are so driven. Give them the facts (pros and cons of roids, how to use them and the danger of using at a young age) and let them deal with it. That is my personal opinion.

[bako stud]

well i see how you all are having a nice convo with this but i was still wondering if there is anyone out there that can give me the correct info or at least PM me it so no one has to see that you told me =) anyone up for that? thank you

[Nosaj]

Nolva only is fine for pct. HCG helps speed up recovery due to not completely shutting your natural test production down while on, but for a test only cycle, it's definitely not required (some swear by it, others only use it with multiple compounds, especially ones that shut you down hard i.e. deca).

Clomid is an alternative to nolva, slightly different side effects but works for pct none-the-less. Nolva is tried and tested, pretty cheap too if you look around.

[RBB]

While I agree many poeple use aas at way to young an age, I'm interested as to why you use 25 as an age limit? To a certain point age is a big factor I agree, but I see many poeple well over 25 that are just as stupid/ignorant and have no business using steroids. Sure this kid is obviously not ready no matter his age, but I see plenty of poeple, even some that post on wbb (nobody in this thread) that are older than 25 and use gear and I actually laugh to think that's what they look like/how strong they after using aas. The golden rule always preached in here is to not even think about using gear untill you've reached your natural limit. I see nothing wrong, however, with some 18 year old freak of nature that is in every way ready to use. If they really want to and understand the risks, go for it.

I'm pretty sure RBB you're saying 25 because some poeple are still growing and maturing well after 18, for example, right? I completely agree, but everybody is different and some people mature way faster. I'd rather worry about their physical condition than an exact age, to a certain point of course.


I say 25 because a HUGE majority of men would have reached prime maturity at that point. It takes away any guess work.


bf pretty much hit the nail on the head. 25 takes out all the guesswork as far as reaching maturity is concerned. in addition, how many 18 year olds do you know that have a good enough handle on their training and diet to even consider AAS? i don't know any. i also don't know any that are even close to reaching their natural potential. not that that's an absolute requirement, but it should be taken into consideration.

but you're right, there will always be some freaks out there who will be ready to use young. 25 is just a general guideline.

[RBB]

Well, lets not do an age limit, how about a blood level limit. Test and free test or something. Why does everyone think 19yr old males have so much test that they can't benefit from more?

i don't think anyone here thinks that. if you're assuming we do than you've missed the point of the posts. this kid gave us enough factors in his first post to shoot him down. he's too young and he doesn't need it right now.

[Hockey66]

I don't believe in the whole "don't use gear under 25" theory but based on your body composition, weight, lifting experience, and age (19!?!) I think you are no where near ready.

Coming from the guy that tells me to cycle every time we talk. :p Just playin' man, I know you're joking.


bf pretty much hit the nail on the head. 25 takes out all the guesswork as far as reaching maturity is concerned. in addition, how many 18 year olds do you know that have a good enough handle on their training and diet to even consider AAS? i don't know any. i also don't know any that are even close to reaching their natural potential. not that that's an absolute requirement, but it should be taken into consideration.

but you're right, there will always be some freaks out there who will be ready to use young. 25 is just a general guideline.

I've become a lot more lackadaisical in my training and diet lately, but for awhile when I was 17ish I was tracking all of my calories to a T and never missing a training session. I think there are a ton of 18 year old that are mentally mature enough for AAS, however not physically mature.

OP, we have very similar stats, I have about 10 lbs. on you with slightly less bodyfat, and I consider myself nowhere near ready to use. If I were you I would hold off until at least 21-22 and get a few more years of solid natural training under your belt, and let your body mature some more.

[Ramstein85]

Yeah i mean i agree with some of the above posters regarding the advice. I had like 100 dbol tablets and i i know im gonna get flamed for this but i did end up taking 15mg of Dbol for around four weeks to see what it would do. Well lets just say it did what everybody told me it would that is, get bigger, stronger, but once discontinued without pct, lose 90% of the gains. SO yeah people are stubborn sometimes are end up doing it anyways. just felt like sharing this experience. im 22 btw

[samj]

Bako stud just listen to everyone. liftings about the longterm not short yes your weak and small but dont think aas are the easy way out you will **** yourself up and like the majority of people out there you wont even be training in a couple years time!


how many 18 year olds do you know that have a good enough handle on their training and diet to even consider AAS?

me:thumbup: but im not touching the stuff till mid 20's or may never touch the stuff we will see

[RBB]

me:thumbup: but im not touching the stuff till mid 20's or may never touch the stuff we will see

good for you, man. be smart guys.