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frank
06-16-2008, 05:09 PM
ok, how come when powerlifters are preparing to drop weight for a competition they dont lose alot of body fat? the majority of the heavy benchers are over 20% bf but they still stay in the upper weight classes. is there a big advantage of being that size or would it be better to slim down?

Lones Green
06-16-2008, 05:19 PM
i guess because the heaviest benchers are the heaviest guys (SHW's) and don't have to worry about cutting weight. what do you mean powerlifters don't cut body fat when they are dropping weight for a meet? are you referring to months ahead or just a few days ahead? i've been preparing for a meet for months and i've lost a good bit of body fat. if there is a 24 hour weigh in, sometimes guys will cut water weight the day(s) before the meet to make a lower weight class. after the weigh in, they will attempt to replenish that weight before lifting.

frank
06-16-2008, 05:55 PM
i guess because the heaviest benchers are the heaviest guys (SHW's) and don't have to worry about cutting weight. what do you mean powerlifters don't cut body fat when they are dropping weight for a meet? are you referring to months ahead or just a few days ahead? i've been preparing for a meet for months and i've lost a good bit of body fat. if there is a 24 hour weigh in, sometimes guys will cut water weight the day(s) before the meet to make a lower weight class. after the weigh in, they will attempt to replenish that weight before lifting.

im just curious why they would want to gain weight after the meet if their already above 20% bodyfat. i know that they try to reduce it a fair amount but why not cut to 10-14%?

deeder
06-16-2008, 06:03 PM
It's easy to drop a reasonable amount of water weight and if you rehydrate properly your strength will be minimally affected. Also, your training leading up to the meet will not be affected due to reduced energy from low calories.

Most people who have dropped a significant amount of weight experienced some strength loss. ie: This year I was going to try to make the 90kg weight class for nationals. I was weighing about 98kg in the morning 3 months out. I started cutting, not very hard at all. But by the time I was down to about 93kg in the morning my strength had gone down so much I decided it wasn't worth it and ate like a pig until nationals.

What lones said about SHW lifters is true too. In an unlimited weight class it really doesn't matter how fat they are. You're not going to see many exceptionally lean lifters over the 100kg class (maybe heavier depending if it's a tested fed).

deeder
06-16-2008, 06:04 PM
im just curious why they would want to gain weight after the meet if their already above 20% bodyfat. i know that they try to reduce it a fair amount but why not cut to 10-14%?

Here's a question to answer your question.. Why would they want to cut to 10-14% bodyfat?

HP666
06-16-2008, 06:04 PM
As a wise man on these boards taught me, MASS MOVES MASS.

sayagain
06-16-2008, 06:05 PM
Have you ever been to a powerlifting meet and actually seen some of the lifters? Most of them are not fat, with the exception of the SHW which is unlimited, in which case the lifters can keep gaining weight and not worry about going up a class. Most of the guys in the other weight classes don't actually have that much excess body fat.

Travis Bell
06-16-2008, 06:31 PM
As a wise man on these boards taught me, MASS MOVES MASS.

ah yes. Truer words have never been said my friend.

to the OP, we cut water weight, not BF. When we cut weight, its within a day or so of weigh in's. You don't lose BF, just water. The key, like Deeder said is to rehydrate your body as quickly as possible

frank
06-16-2008, 07:20 PM
Here's a question to answer your question.. Why would they want to cut to 10-14% bodyfat?

im not too good with kgs so ill use pounds but this might depend on your overall opinion...

would you rather...
bench 405 raw at 181 lbs
or
bench 495 raw at 242 lbs

you would lose strength when you lower bodyfat but doesnt that mean you will still be stronger for your weight than you were before?

waynedang
06-16-2008, 07:30 PM
im not too good with kgs so ill use pounds but this might depend on your overall opinion...

would you rather...
bench 405 raw at 181 lbs
or
bench 495 raw at 242 lbs

you would lose strength when you lower bodyfat but doesnt that mean you will still be stronger for your weight than you were before?


495 hands down!!! I did a 405 raw at about 181 years ago but I would still rather have the 495. I am a smaller guy (around 230 or so and fat) so I understand a little why people bring up the pond for pound stuff but 495 is 495 regardless of bwt. I do this to move weight not be pretty!

youngguns
06-16-2008, 08:18 PM
im not too good with kgs so ill use pounds but this might depend on your overall opinion...

would you rather...
bench 405 raw at 181 lbs
or
bench 495 raw at 242 lbs

you would lose strength when you lower bodyfat but doesnt that mean you will still be stronger for your weight than you were before?

i would rather be the 242 option, mainly because im tired of be a tiny little ****er.

Reko
06-16-2008, 08:20 PM
im not too good with kgs so ill use pounds but this might depend on your overall opinion...

would you rather...
bench 405 raw at 181 lbs
or
bench 495 raw at 242 lbs

you would lose strength when you lower bodyfat but doesnt that mean you will still be stronger for your weight than you were before?

500 @242 :)

deeder
06-16-2008, 09:37 PM
I'd want the 495lb bench too.

Now, don't get me wrong, I definitely think that some people take it WAY over-board. I don't ever want to get sloppy fat and unhealthy just to put on weight. But making my way to a higher weight class slowly and without getting too fat, yeah definitely.

Is the 405lb bench at 181 more impressive on a pound for pound basis? Yeah, definitely. But who cares, I still want the bigger bench.

Travis Bell
06-16-2008, 09:42 PM
I benched 400 at 190lbs and was pretty happy with that

Then I benched 520 at 245 and loved it!! I love being big

haven't we already had this discussion though?

Ben Moore
06-16-2008, 10:45 PM
I'm looking for 600 at 275...can I get in on this conversation??? :D

deeder
06-16-2008, 11:16 PM
I'm looking for 600 at 275...can I get in on this conversation??? :D

Nope.. You're too strong... Your perspective is all ****ed up :evillaugh:

vdizenzo
06-16-2008, 11:46 PM
I have a 600 unequipped in the books at shw. I could probably have done it at 308, but mass moves mass so why not pack it on. As far as being fat I read a good example on outlaws the other day, to see if a shw is fat. Have him sit down next to some fat slob, if the lifter does not look like the fat slob then he is big not fat.

Lones Green
06-17-2008, 03:54 AM
check out paul key as well. dude has abs @ 308.

frank
06-17-2008, 01:33 PM
check out paul key as well. dude has abs @ 308.

pics? ill go look for some...

mickyjune26
06-17-2008, 01:40 PM
I have a 600 unequipped in the books at shw. I could probably have done it at 308, but mass moves mass so why not pack it on. As far as being fat I read a good example on outlaws the other day, to see if a shw is fat. Have him sit down next to some fat slob, if the lifter does not look like the fat slob then he is big not fat.

ROFL - Your test for fatness makes me laugh! It's funny cuz it's true.

I admit that sometimes I eat sloppy and gain too quickly, getting some fat on....all because it's easier. That being said, I rather weight a 300 of pure muscle instead of 300 with a big gut.

That being said, at 6'7", I'm probably on the path to SHW. It sure is fun getting bigger. People are saying things all the time now, lol.

Detard
06-17-2008, 01:48 PM
Hands down, 495 @242. Most people in this section are only concerned about lifting heavy weights. We dont care about body fat % or beach muscles. We just wanna SFW!!

Travis Bell
06-17-2008, 01:56 PM
how bout 520 at 242, does that work? hahaha

frank
06-17-2008, 04:35 PM
how bout 520 at 242, does that work? hahaha

if you want, forgot to mention bodyfat. would you rather bench...
405 at 181 with 10% body fat
or
495 at 242 with 20% body fat

Detard
06-17-2008, 04:55 PM
495 at 242 with 20% body fat

frank
06-17-2008, 04:57 PM
495 at 242 with 20% body fat

booo

Reko
06-17-2008, 05:10 PM
booo

YaaaaaY!

Travis Bell
06-17-2008, 05:43 PM
if you want, forgot to mention bodyfat. would you rather bench...
405 at 181 with 10% body fat
or
495 at 242 with 20% body fat

I have not a clue what my BF is


Could not care less either. And until they begin asking what your BF percentage on the platform, I won't

HP666
06-17-2008, 06:50 PM
495 at 242 with 20% body fat



booo

Spoken like a true 139 pound pipe cleaner. :burger:






And before anyone gets the wrong idea and thinks that was some sort of sexual connotation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipe_cleaner

Ben Moore
06-17-2008, 08:55 PM
Spoken like a true 139 pound pipe cleaner. :burger:






And before anyone gets the wrong idea and thinks that was some sort of sexual connotation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipe_cleaner

This makes me laugh...

RhodeHouse
06-18-2008, 10:02 AM
This makes me laugh...

I'm right with you, dude. Small people are funny.

Newtt
06-19-2008, 03:58 AM
Most can just sweat it off in a sauna, or by manipulating water intake in their diet, and rehydrate after weighins.