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godofthunder
06-23-2008, 07:21 AM
Hi there.

i was wondering, i see a lot of people suggest 12 week cycle and no less, what is wrong with doing shorter cycles?
RBB
06-23-2008, 07:54 AM
Hi there.

i was wondering, i see a lot of people suggest 12 week cycle and no less, what is wrong with doing shorter cycles?

nothing is wrong with it, some people do prefer shorter cycles. most people use a longer ester for their first cycle (less shots). so let's say you're not getting the full effects until week 3 or 4, then you've got 8 more weeks left. 12 weeks is just a general guideline. it's enough time to put on some quality muscle, but it's not an overly long time to be on cycle. the best of both worlds.
godofthunder
06-23-2008, 08:16 AM
i live in Iceland where novladex is very hard to get, and itīs incredibly expensive. Will shorter cycles lessen the possible side effects?
RBB
06-23-2008, 08:52 AM
i live in Iceland where novladex is very hard to get, and itīs incredibly expensive. Will shorter cycles lessen the possible side effects?

sure, shorter cycles will lessen the possible side effects, but not the ones you're referring to. once you're natural test production is shut down you will absolutely need nolva/clomid to recover properly. don't ever think about starting a cycle without PCT on hand before you begin.
godofthunder
06-23-2008, 09:00 AM
Ok, thanks alot, how much novla/clomid would you recomend for ...
a. 5-6 week cycle?
b. 12 week cycle?
RBB
06-23-2008, 09:10 AM
read the faq up top and look for PCT. PCT is the same length no matter what, so you do the math. you will also want to have some nolva on hand in case any gyno shows up. better to have too much than not enough.
godofthunder
06-23-2008, 10:15 AM
Whats "gyno"

:confused:
RBB
06-23-2008, 10:24 AM
Whats "gyno"

:confused:

Read the FAQ (http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showpost.php?p=1707048&postcount=7), section 9 to be specific.
it will answer a lot of your basic questions and prevent us from answering them over and over.
cphafner
06-23-2008, 05:44 PM
Read the FAQ (http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showpost.php?p=1707048&postcount=7), section 9 to be specific.
it will answer a lot of your basic questions and prevent us from answering them over and over.

Such patience being shown! :)
RBB
06-23-2008, 07:31 PM
Such patience being shown! :)

lol, well i figured i would at least try. it might not last too long.
drwost
06-24-2008, 07:57 AM
length of cycle?

I know a guy who's been on since last year!!!
bill
06-24-2008, 08:38 AM
One of the more simple reasons, I would think is it still takes a fair amount of time to pack on any noticeable muscle.
RBB
06-24-2008, 08:51 AM
One of the more simple reasons, I would think is it still takes a fair amount of time to pack on any noticeable muscle.

i agree. even with the use of anabolics it still takes some time. you'll see guys blow up after a few weeks on cycle, but it's just water, etc. it takes a few months to put on a significant amount of muscle even with gear.
godofthunder
06-24-2008, 09:53 AM
read the faq up top and look for PCT. PCT is the same length no matter what, so you do the math. you will also want to have some nolva on hand in case any gyno shows up. better to have too much than not enough.

What about HCG? would ot be wise to include that along with nolva after cycle?
RBB
06-24-2008, 11:12 AM
What about HCG? would ot be wise to include that along with nolva after cycle?

run it during your cycle. 250iu every third day. discontinue once you begin PCT. imo, hcg is beneficial but not necessary
JonTheFisher
06-24-2008, 10:13 PM
Proviron is used to prevent testicular atrophy right? not HCG?

and doesnt a oral only cycle kill your libido (sex drive)?
RBB
06-25-2008, 07:14 AM
Proviron is used to prevent testicular atrophy right? not HCG?

and doesnt a oral only cycle kill your libido (sex drive)?

absolutely not, and possibly but not always.
Belial
06-26-2008, 02:06 PM
More often than not, cycle length is dictated by the release profile of your chosen compound. An enanthate ester will take a day or two to reach its peak release rate from depot,but continuously release steroid for 2-3 weeks thereafter. (in fact, there may still be some of the compound in the muscle for months after a shot, but that's another issue). Therefore, it stands to reason that after your first shot, levels will be steadily increasing with every shot until about week 4-5. If you then end the cycle at week 6, you're dealing with a 1-2 week peak, before a steady decline in androgen levels. This is not ideal.

A 12 week cycle gives you a 4 week run-up, 8 weeks of building, and 2-3 weeks of taper with PCT. Much better situation, as chances are you may lose a good third to half the lean body mass you gained on cycle in the month or two following PCT. A few months after a 5-6 week test enanthate cycle will leave you more or less where you started, just with a few more holes in your legs and a few less dollars in your wallet.