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yankeekd25
07-19-2008, 07:53 PM
Can not eating enough carbs lead to no visible muscle gain? I only ate about 170-200 carbs when I clean bulked and I didn't see much muscle gain. I ate at 3000 cals, 200 g protein, and 100 g fats, but I just talked to someone and they recommended I up my carbs to 300 grams. They guaranteed I'd see more of a difference. Should I take his advice? I'm 5'10'', about 185 pounds. I don't wanna gain much fat while bulking so I'm going clean.

Shouji
07-19-2008, 09:26 PM
I don't think you're getting enough calories, you should try for 25 calories per pound, so for you that would be 4625 calories per day.

azma
07-19-2008, 09:59 PM
Go ahead and up your carbs. If you eat complex carbs throughout the day, your body will stay anabolic longer, because of insulin response.

RhodeHouse
07-19-2008, 10:33 PM
Eat your carbs. You answered your own question in your post. If you didn't get much muscle gain, try something different. Carbs are your friend.

ryuage
07-20-2008, 08:17 AM
set your protein and fat intake then make up the rest of your calorie requirement in carbs

RedSpikeyThing
07-20-2008, 08:36 AM
3000 cals at 185 lbs? I don't gain on 3000 cals. Eat more.

yankeekd25
07-20-2008, 08:36 AM
3000 cals at 185 lbs? I don't gain on 3000 cals. Eat more.

How much then? 3500?

RedSpikeyThing
07-20-2008, 08:43 AM
How much then? 3500?

There isn't a magic number. You have to do it by trial and error. I would say start at 3500 and adjust after a couple of weeks. ie: gain 5 lbs in 2 weeks, slow down. Gain 0 lbs, add a few hundred calories.

Kong
07-20-2008, 09:08 AM
All i'll say is DO NOT eat 25 cals per lb bodyweight as stated earlier unless you want to become obese!

Shouji
07-20-2008, 09:13 AM
All i'll say is DO NOT eat 25 cals per lb bodyweight as stated earlier unless you want to become obese!

I just quoted the At Large "Gaining Mass" article.
http://www.atlargenutrition.com/gainingmass.php
I guess I should have included this bit...


If you feel that you are gaining fat at too quick a pace (obviously individual metabolisms vary) all you need do is back off of the calories a bit. If you are in that position, simply drop 200 calories per day and track the results for ten days. If you are still gaining muscle, but the fat gain is reduced then maintain that level until your gains stagnate. At that point, up the calories by 200 and proceed for another ten days.

But yeah, 25 may be a bit excessive. 20 cals per lb might be better.

yankeekd25
07-20-2008, 09:26 AM
I eat peanuts/ sunflower seeds/ and the oils that come from them etc, but I can only eat so much of them in a day. Steaks can get expensive. What are some other cheap high calorie foods I should be eating?

Willie
07-20-2008, 09:50 AM
Peanut butter is good but it is very calorie-dense and contains a substantial amount of fat (albeit unsaturated). Same for avocados.

Turkey, ground turkey and chicken are pretty inexpensive, as well as milk and eggs.

yankeekd25
07-20-2008, 10:02 AM
Peanut butter is good but it is very calorie-dense and contains a substantial amount of fat (albeit unsaturated). Same for avocados.

Turkey, ground turkey and chicken are pretty inexpensive, as well as milk and eggs.

Not where I live. A gallon of milk here in South Florida is about 6 bucks!

Shouji
07-20-2008, 10:14 AM
Whey

Willie
07-20-2008, 10:21 AM
...South Florida....

Oh, cool. You live near the ocean, you should be able to get really good, fresh fish on the cheap. High in protein, low in saturated fat, lots of Omega 3.

Learn to cook it, or learn to make sushi. Fish is yummy!

cphafner
07-20-2008, 10:39 AM
Peanut butter is good but it is very calorie-dense and contains a substantial amount of fat (albeit unsaturated). Same for avocados.

Turkey, ground turkey and chicken are pretty inexpensive, as well as milk and eggs.

Turkey and chicken are very lean and not calorie dense like the thread starter asked.

Ground beef can be found for cheap. Buy steaks and beef when it goes on sale and free them. Buy family packs if you can. I always have a steady supply of meat in the freezer. I refuse to pay more than $3 per lb.

Willie
07-20-2008, 10:49 AM
Turkey and chicken are very lean and not calorie dense like the thread starter asked.

ooopps, I didn't catch that.

Hell, Taco Bell is calorie dense and cheap, too! :)

Hafner's right about buying in bulk. It's the best way to lower your food bill.

ryuage
07-20-2008, 01:53 PM
Turkey and chicken are very lean and not calorie dense like the thread starter asked.

Ground beef can be found for cheap. Buy steaks and beef when it goes on sale and free them. Buy family packs if you can. I always have a steady supply of meat in the freezer. I refuse to pay more than $3 per lb.

I agree... I always base my protein choice on whatever meat is on sale that week