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ThunderCat30
09-21-2008, 10:29 PM
Haven't been here in awhile, but here's my 5 month progress report I want to share with everyone.

Last time I was here was seeking tips on dieting down, and training
due to uncontroable weight gain.

For the past 9 years of my life at 30yo, my suffering of
phsyical appearance due to an extreme thyroid condition
is almost over.

In the past 4 months since May 2008, I've dropped from 230lbs
to arbout 192lbs at 5'10". I now fit in a 34" pant/jean with about
half an inch to spare. I haven't lost any strength maybe just a bit,
I look much bigger because I'm much leaner now. I'm still continuing
to drop fat every week. Just in early mid July I was 207lbs and my
waist was much bigger, and not much definition.

I consider this a major accomplish after what I'm about to
share with you, will be motivational for anyone.

I will post photo's when I'm completely finished this body
transformation as I want to share this with people. My
gym has even asked for my photo's to set up my portfolio
and to use it as motivation for clients including my own.

I'm not embarassed anymore and want people to see what
can be done, and what can happen to someone when
a medical condition takes over their life and what they're
normally used to.

Please bare with me as I really want to share my story
with this 9yr battle. how it can affect one's mind set
personal/social life, feelings, and motivation to continue
with training/dieting.

About 11yrs ago I was diagnosed with almost Graves
Disease (Extreme Hyper Thyroidism).

I was a 240lbs athlete playing football. My Position
was Full Back position at the university level, never
taken a steroid in my life and had a 1-rep max 405lb
natural bench (with a spotter's hands under the bar
for "moral" support if you will), a 1-rep max 495lbs
roman deadlift with simple straps and belt, and a
515lb squat for 1-rep max.

My 40-yard dash was about 4.75 to 4.85 depending on
the day.

After the 2000 season was finished, during the winter
I started to not feel well, started by hot sweats, and
needed over the counter sleep aids. Then 1 turned
into 2, then 3 and 4 etc....

I just thought I was stressed out with school, and my
girlfriend at the time was causing some problems, trouble
at home with my father's GF and her daughter.

Eventually I got to a point I wasn't sleeping at all during
the night. I was like a zombie during the day. Eventually
my sleeps started to occur during the day and would
sleep 12-15hrs a day and up all night.

People thought I was on drugs or something.

Eventually I started losing weight as much as 10lbs
in a week!!!!

I just let time pass thinking it would pass and everyone
goes through these things.

It got to a point where I'd be trying to train which once
brought me relaxation, was causing me more stress as
each week that went by I was losing strength on every
lift as much as 5-10lbs per lift.

I was still eating 6 to 7 times per day and still losing weight.

It got to a point where I dropped from 240lbs to around 180lbs
in about 4 months and couldn't even bench a plate.

My girlfriend and everyone else started to say I was looking
like a bit of a skeleton but I didn't want to believe it. I could
still have erections, she'd still want to have sex with me so
I just thought was in an over trained state and took
a month off from the gym.

I tried to go back but started to lose more weight.

I had to quit work and drop out of school that year
as I was too burnt out, nervous, anxious, hot sweats,
etc....

Finally my Mom (who's been hospitalized with Lupus
& Osteoporosis for about 30yrs) convinced me to go
to the doctor and get checked out.

They did a complete blood work and found that my
thyroid levels were through the roof at the "Graves
Disease" point.

My doctor started me on a medication to try and control
it to bring it back down to an equalibrium, but didn't work.

They finally decided in 2003 to give me radio active Iodine
to burn the thyroid. They told me I would have to wait 1yr
before I could even start the T4 Synthroid as that's how
long it would take to burn the gland completely.

Following this treatment, the first few months were very
good as I started feeling better and was able to go to the
gym, go out, be with my GF more often etc.... but still not
enough energy for school or work.

Eventually towards the middle of the summer of 2004 was
when the thyroid gland was completely burned and could
start medication on the T4 Synthroid.

At this point I was starting to return to normal activities
like University (no football unfortunately), working out
and was getting a lot of strength and size back. I kept
the same healthy diet, training and cardio levels.

I noticed by the fall of 2004 I was starting to get fatter
no matter what I did to stop it. The endocrinologist told
me that would happen for awhile until they found the
right dose of T4 Synthroid.

I started getting frustrated, I noticed I was beginning
to feel sluggish (also told was normal for awhile). My
girlfriend was starting to get frustrated with my weight
gain as she was always tall and athletic running track
at school.

She even came with me to the doctors to understand
but she just didn't get it.

Then other problems started with my sex drive (which
always high), I started having a great deal of problems
getting erect with her no matter what was done.

She was getting very pissed off at me, even told me that
I'm starting to "let myself go". She just didn't understand
the seriousness of the situation.

She eventually left me, said I was getting fat, always depressed,
that she didn't turn me on anymore, she wasn't physically
attracted to me anymore despite knowing everything that
the doctor explained to her.

That really took a huge chunk out of my soul.

At this point they started to raise the T4 Synthroid every
3 months. But the first few months I was in bed all the time,
just depressed and tired as hell.

After a few raises of medication, I started to feel better,
"things started working again", I was getting more energy,
started training again and losing a weight.

One thing I noticed when I got really fat, my friends
didn't seem to respect me the same way, and the treatment
I received from many women was pretty crappy. I'd
try to flirt with women at the gym who used to be friendly
with me, and I could tell they had a disgusted look on their
face like they just wanted me to leave.

That was pretty hard to deal with as I was always
attracted to tall athletic women, having played football
for many years and competed in MMA I got to meet
fit people.

I pretty much gave up dating for awhile, too depressing
as my physical appearance was really getting to me. It
really hit me hard knowing I just had to wait out the months
for the changes in the T4 Synthroid to be increased.

I might've still been much fatter (still a lot of muscle), but
Mr. Johnson started working again on a regular basis and my
sex drive was coming back every week.

This was by early 2005 January.

I gave up on going for athletic women as they were no
longer attracted to me. So I started going for the attractive
women who weren't into the gym at all. It was very hard
for me to deal with as they didn't understand it, and I wasn't
used to it.

I started dating, met some pretty crazy women, and unfortunately
some prudish women who I almost married 4yrs ago in 2004.

I had finished up with school in Political Science by then, and
took a Networking course which I've been working in network
support IT for about 5yrs now.

Things with my physique were some what stable at this point,
at around 207lbs and a 36" waist. As you can imagine, I still
wasn't happy with this and nothing I seemed to do helped.

In fall 2007 I had to take an anti-depressant as the endocrinologist
found that due to the T4 Synthroid, my body was producing
waaaaay too much Cortisol which was causing me to have
extreme anxiety, nervousness, even some paranoia.

I inquired with the endocrinologist about Therapy with a
psychologist and they said due to the blood test results,
I had no choice but to go on an anti-depressant.

Within a couple of months I stopped having the anxiety,
nervousness, and paranoia. But I gained about 45lbs
and about 7" to my waist up to about 43".

I was in denial about this for awhile and thought I was
just making gym gains.

In February, I joined a new gym (where I will be starting
a new career as a personal trainer soon). I met some
nice girls and women there who were into training. They
seemed nice and were friendly with me.

So I started to flirt with these 4 women to see if I could
start dating someone again. But I noticed they started to
become very unfriendly and had disgusted look on their
face when they looked at me up and down.

At that point, it just hit me that I needed to do something
about it.

By May 2008 when I first joined seeking advice, I made huge
changes to my diet, training style and increased cardio along
with a fat burner.

I dropped from 228lbs to 208lbs between May/08 and July/08
and was starting to feel much healthier and better about myself.

Clothes were starting to fit much better.

Around the end of June 2008, I started talking to an already
fit, tall, woman who is some what older than me.

We talked about everything, started really get to know one
another. I explained everything to her what I've been through
with my thyroid problem and weight management.

I explained that I had started a new regime and already lost
20lbs. She seemed cool with that.

Again our phone conversations were good, started getting
sexual and fun.

Finally we decided to meet and go out for dinner in early
July on a Saturday night. I was nicely dressed and she
looked really good. We got along the same in person as
we did on the phone which was great.

After dinner we went to a little bar where we were able
"get to know one another" a little better. Finally we left
in the early morning. We stopped near her place and started
to get hot and heavy.

I was really happy at this point, I was saying to myself,
finally this great person who's also fit is accepting me
for who I am knowing that I'm on a new regime to get
lean.

We were in my car for about 2hrs and it was truly an
unforgettable experience.

After that, we parted and started talking on the phone
again and all was good. We'd share what type of connection
we felt, along with starting to care for one another, feeling
when the other is thinking about you etc....

Other things happened in her life and she got sick from
a burnout at work so we didn't meet up the following
weekend as we had talked about possibly meeting up.

My first thought was that it was just a cop out. I heard
the "I'm sick" bit before when I was fatter last year
trying to date people. I knew they weren't interested
because I was fatter than I normally am.

However I gave her the benefit of the doubt and it did
turn out she was really sick.

Our talks were still personal and sexy.

Then all of a sudden part way during the week she says
she can't handle this. I was like WTF????

I let a few days pass and decide to call her up. She said
she felt how I was feeling and wasn't sure if she was
going to talk to me again. But seemed really happy to
hear from me.

Things picked up again, and finally we got together again,
went to a vitamin expo and then a movie where we fooled
around again.

She kept telling me what sexual things she wants to do with
me and how I turned her on.

Several days go by, all of a sudden, she calls me up and
tells me she has to be honest with me.

I have a strong connection to you, I'm into you a lot, but
I just can't get past the physical appearance thing with
you. If it wasn't for your body, I'd be seeing you right now.

I confronted her and questioned why she got physical with
me, no answer, but she said she just can't continue.

I once again explained that within a couple of months, I'm
going to be in really good shape. But this didn't make a
difference.

This really took a huuuuge chunk out of me, just like the
woman who left me when my thyroid problems were just
starting to be corrected, she left me because I was much
fatter.

I've only been rejected for my physical appearance by these
2 people. The rest that didn't work or worked out were due
to personalities which is fine by me.

Considering what I've been through the last 9yrs, it's really
harsh.

After this, during the later part of August and September
2008, I started having major self-body image issues again,
started to get depressed thinking about the past.

But I didn't let this stop me, I kept training and dieting.

Sure enough, I was losing about 3lbs of fat every week.
1hr of cardio every day, weights 4x's a week, stretching
4 x's a week.

This has brought me up until this point where I am now.

Now I have an average resting heart rate of 53bpm's,
at 192lbs with a just under 34" waist and all my strength.
I will be a 32 inch waist at around 185lbs by the time
I'm done.

I then plain to add muscle, but very slowly and keep the
cardio in just not as high and diet the same. That way
I know it will be lean tissue with a dry look.

The funny thing is, the 4 women who were disgusted with
me back in February 2008 had been starting to really come
on to me and pay attention to me. I've started wearing
Under Armor shirts which hug the body now that I'm much
more confident.

All 4 of them who are fit and athletic in one way or another
asked me out.

I said to myself, I have more pride than this and I'm not going
to bother with them. I wasn't good enough for them in the
winter due to my appearance, now all of a sudden I am good
enough? That was the way I was thinking.

But a few more weeks have gone by and they still won't
leave me alone at the gym trying to get my phone number
and so on.

I said to myself, why not?? This might sound a bit sadistic,
but considering what I've been through you will understand.

I decided to hook up with all 4 of them and had only one
(safe) encounter with them. After the deed, I completely
ignored them at the gym. They were all shocked and started
asking around why I wasn't talking to them?

I said that I wasn't attracted to them that much. That actually
felt good.

I have no respect for a woman who treats men this way,
especially already having knowledge of the persons medical
issue.

Any how, I'm on to better things, feeling much better about
myself and working in the internal cob webs (if you will) as
well which is helping me continuing to become more complete
as a man.

Well, there it is, my 9 year struggle with body image both
physically and psychologically.

But I can safely say that finally this battle is drawing near
an end very soon.

I am looking forward to helping others either gain mass,
maintain, lose weight, or train for sports as my new
career.

My Can-Fit Pro exam is on Oct. 11 and I've been studying
hard along with giving basic fitness orientations at the gym,
and still doing home network installations for people but stopping
this very soon.

I've even started up my Mixed Martial Arts again which I'm
loving a lot.

One thing I will say is it hasn't been easy, and I've been
working my ass off. You have to do it for yourself, not
other people that is the key. Just focus on yourself and
forget about other people.

If anyone requires encouragement, how to stay motivated,
what types of blood tests to take, how to over come a medical
condition, even with personal life that your journey has brought
you, I'm open to any questions.

I'm also open to people who are skinny and have had a hard time
looking to bulk up.

My apologies on the long assed post, I felt my experiences would
help others.

I'm open to any questions and opinions

Fuzzy
09-22-2008, 04:05 AM
Holy wall of text!

essentialherb08
09-22-2008, 05:05 AM
Dang from a 405 bench to not being able to bench a plate! Life is harsh.
N forget those ragety ass superficial bitches You should shoot for the top get yourself a girl whos been to the olympics.
Good stuff man crazy story lookin forward to see your progress pics

ThunderCat30
09-22-2008, 09:10 AM
I know it's a long post LOL but lot's of details
for something like this.

[quoate] essentialherb08 Dang from a 405 bench to not being able to bench a plate! Life is harsh.
N forget those ragety ass superficial bitches You should shoot for the top get yourself a girl whos been to the olympics.
Good stuff man crazy story lookin forward to see your progress pics [/quote]

Thanks for the kind words and encouragement. Life
the past 10yrs has been a huuuge struggle. I didn't think
I was going to be able to pull myself out of it due to
the medical condition.

I'm just glad that things are starting to get on track as
too much suffering occured for one person due to the
physical appearance.

You're right about the superficial bithces....

I'm glad I found out how that woman I met this summer
really is before I got involved with her on a deeper level.

She seemed great at first, was really happy she accepted
me after getting physical. But to later tell me she couldn't
be with me due to my physical appearance despite being
attracted to me, enjoying getting physical with me etc....
I lost all respect for her at that moment.

Knowing I had a medical condition, knowing that I had already
started a regime losing 20lbs and would be in much better shape
in a couple of months, that still wasn't enough. In the end she
supposedly started seeing some guy who's been on steroids/GH
for 15yrs. Then again, that could be all BS too...

Life is hard enough dealing with something like this, but to
add such people in society makes it even harder. IMO, what
makes one really strong is being able to push through something
like the past 9yrs and keep going.

Many would've become demotivated and quite training/dieting
all together. I just couldn't let myself do that.

I will most certainly post before and after pic's once I'm
completely finished. Maybe in another month or so, I have
to see how things go. I might come across a slight plateau
in the fat loss dept. so we'll see.

But I do promise to post the pic's.

Thanks again

Travis Bell
09-22-2008, 10:00 AM
Very impressive story. keep up the good work

Trevorthefatguy
09-22-2008, 11:10 AM
a long read, but a good one...its good to see you finally have everything under control. I lost 100 pounds as soon as i got out of high school and now I'm just working on a slow bulk with clean foods. Its going great and my confidence is just as high as yours. Good for you man!

ThunderCat30
09-22-2008, 11:43 AM
Very impressive story. keep up the good work


Hey guy,

Thanks for the encouragement. People at my gym are
coming up to me every week noticing continual changes
to my body asking for help. I tell them, LOL I'm going to
be a trainer here soon and could help you really closely
if you want.

But some say they can't afford it at the moment, so I
simply tell them that it's all about what you put in your
mouth, and what effort you put your body through.


Trevorthefatguy,

a long read, but a good one...its good to see you finally have everything under control. I lost 100 pounds as soon as i got out of high school and now I'm just working on a slow bulk with clean foods. Its going great and my confidence is just as high as yours. Good for you man!

Wow!!!!

100lbs of fat? I definitely give you props man, for real!!!

Did you have to have any extra skin removed? Or did everything
seem to retract in time? Things seem to be retracting slowly so
I'm hoping I won't require any surgery. I don't think I will at this
point.

I've been using Vitamin E clear lotion, along with creams
containing Placenta (it really has helped, no joke), and
other Collagen creams all around my body.

LOL, but I obviously don't do it when at work, socializing or
out with a woman LOL as they'll wonder what the stink is :).

Just wondering how women treated you during your struggle?

It was pretty hard for me, not even being able to go for athletic
women which I'm normally attracted to because they wouldn't
give me the time of day while fat.

Funny how 4 of them at my gym basically threw themselves
at me after rejecting me several months back. Man, it really
felt good to get them back after using them each once and
totally ignoring them.

Suddenly, a rumor was going around that I was such an
Ahole LOL. They were the superficial bitches that rejected
me when being fat in February, now all of a sudden I'm a
bad guy? LMAO

I think being the Ahole is better than the "nice guy" lol.

Any how, Trevor, I'm doing much what you are a very clean
slow bulk. Still doing about 5hrs of cardio a week combined with
a very clean diet and musculationi.

But at this point, I'm more into body sculpting so I don't expect
to gain more than 10lbs of lean tissue over the next couple of
months.

I'm being very patient and will get those after photo's probably
by the 7th month of my transformation.

I was just wondering, is there a way to post pic's within
a thread directly so they can be seen once the thread is
open without having to go to an external link?

Thanks everyone for your support and additional comments.

BFGUITAR
09-22-2008, 11:56 AM
I can relate. Girls in highschool never gave me the light of day. Now 2 years later with 30 lbs of muscle, they seem to talk to me more often. I think to build character you really have to be in the **** hole. The people who have always been fit and physically attractive have no idea how cruel people could be.

ThunderCat30
09-22-2008, 02:21 PM
I can relate. Girls in highschool never gave me the light of day. Now 2 years later with 30 lbs of muscle, they seem to talk to me more often. I think to build character you really have to be in the **** hole. The people who have always been fit and physically attractive have no idea how cruel people could be.

Hey BFGUITAR

That's nice to hear you can relate. How did you mentally
handle it? I'm just curious as we all have our own ways.
I know the obvious, you started eating and working out,
but internally what did you tell yourself?

I suddenly don't feel alone.

The physical and mental suffering has been very hard on
me and for people who've always been fit to be cruel
makes it worse.

Very often I wish that certain people could never train
again, or go through something like I have and see what
it's like from the other side.

I guarantee if they were with someone because they
thought they actually loved them, and couldn't train
anymore, the person picks up and leaves them, they'd
be crushed......

That actually shows that the person is human underneath
all the superficial BS built up in their head.

I will have to agree with you BF, that you have to be
in the Ahole category.

This is something I can definitely live with....

It sucks that you can't be yourself and have
people want you, respect you for who you are etc...

Right now I'm just focusing on myself as every workout I
do, I consider it apart of my new job and am taking it
very seriously. I think this is the best thing to do.

Yesterday, my confidence suddenly changed drastically
when I was trying on Nautica Jeans and dress pants at
the clothing store. I knew I lost a lot as none of my other
clothes fit and have to have the waist brought in.

But to see that I fit a 34" with a half inch of room to spare
really opened my eyes and allowed me to see the light at
the end of the tunnel.

I just couldn't believe I've lost that much, and I want to
help others which is why I finally decided to get certified.

I've done it alone my whole life, I think it's easier having
someone who's lived through it guide you and motivate
you.

The best advice I can give someone to stay motivated
is the long run, looking into the future.

If 3500 calories = 1lb of fat, just think how many
cardio sessions you can do on a daily basis for
1hr on an incline treadmill at a steady pace and
burn 500 calories.

I say the best time for cardio is after the weights as
the glycogen and sugar will be depleted from the weights
so all you'll be burning is bodyfat.

If you were to do just cardio, it takes the body 20mins
alone before you even start burning the body fat. So
you'd have to do 1hr cardio just to do 45mins of fat
burning.

I use the mirror as motivation and what people tell
me at the gym.

This is the best advice I can give to someone looking
to drop body fat.

Trevorthefatguy
09-22-2008, 03:51 PM
I didn't have any skin or anything removed, mainly because i lost it slowly, but of course i did lose some muscle. As far as girls go, i had been overweight my entire life up until age 19, and girls didn't even acknowledge me for the most part in high school. After high school though and the weight loss i had a lot more confidence and girls were actually able to see my personality and such. I dont have a g/f atm but i have been dating around and such.

BFGUITAR
09-22-2008, 04:12 PM
How did I handle it...

Well during this time I had a bit of trouble being social as I was fat and had severe acne. The worst two combos one can have. From grade 9-11 I stayed home, ate horribly, played video games and guitar. I did a lot of things on my own. I barely went out with friends and was content staying at home playing guitar. I never let it get to me, I was always a confident easy going person.

If I didn't have guitar I don't know what I would have done with myself. I would spend hours after hours playing as it was the only thing that helped me. I would post audio files on the internet and get some very reassuring feedback. Most of the stuff I posted was classical guitar (although I do play rock as well). It was a way for me to get away from things and it was challenging enough to keep me busy. I practiced so much that I got my grade 7 Royal Conservatory of Music in classical guitar after 1.5 years (usually it takes 3-5 years for most). I was about to take my grade 8 (highest level is 11, this is like getting a university degree here in Canada) but decided not to.

At the end of my grade 7 exam the examiner (who is a very well known and important Canadian classical guitarist) asked me if I wanted to know what he thought of my playing. I thought he sends it in written form but I said sure. He said he sees lots of potential and likes the way I play, but that it needs more practice time. He than asked me how long I have been playing. I said 1.5 years and he said "HOLY *****". I was amazed... this man with such a high status, a person who has seen countless student guitarists in his career swearing in a formal setting. I must have made an impact on him. This was a very special moment in my life. To impress such a man is not easy. I also had a scholarship offer from the University of Toronto for classical guitar, that made me proud. I turned it down and pursued chemistry instead.

Not for a second do I regret my high school years. It was all about bettering myself and my own skills. I became an accomplished guitarist. Because of that I got to play 3 concerts each with over 1000 people and one of them being for the BIGGEST rock radio station in Toronto. I was not social at all but all the normal people with social high school lives generally did not accomplish nearly as much as I did. I have yet to meet another guitarist who is just as proficient as me in different styles of music. I would not give it up for anything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz6DaQU4Irk
Here is my first video. It was taken 2 years after I started playing classical guitar. and the start of my physical change (I was about 145 lbs then at 5'11. I lost 40 lbs from cross country running). This was a grade 8 piece.

ThunderCat30
09-22-2008, 08:43 PM
I didn't have any skin or anything removed, mainly because i lost it slowly, but of course i did lose some muscle. As far as girls go, i had been overweight my entire life up until age 19, and girls didn't even acknowledge me for the most part in high school. After high school though and the weight loss i had a lot more confidence and girls were actually able to see my personality and such. I dont have a g/f atm but i have been dating around and such.

This is great to hear!!! I give you much props.

I really think it sucks ass that a woman can't see past what
you look like on the outside.

My first girlfriend when I was 18 actually told me back in
the 8th grade she did like me for who I was. I didn't
believe her because A. She was really hot, and be
when I was very very heavy prior to football, her
hot friends used to pretend to like me, then infront of
a crowd they'd pretty much humiliate me.

It got to a point where I just zoned it out, but the first
several times really were hard.

It's too bad I didn't believe her at 14, but I just couldn't
bring myself to trust her because of what her hot GF's
used to do to me. She said she wasn't like them at all.

Later when I was around 190lbs in shape at about 17,
she came back to me after her B.F. of 2yrs cheated
on her and told me she still had feelings for me.

I thought it was because I was in very good shape by
then pre-hyper thyroid condition. But I came to realize
she actually saw me as a person.

That really meant a lot despite looking good at the time.

I definitely agree that you should date around. Don't settle
for anyone less that what you want in both personality,
stability and looks. If you do, you'll be setting yourself up
for regret.

I still can't believe you lost 100lbs and all the skin
retracted slowly!!!! I really give you much respect
man I really do!!

ThunderCat30
09-22-2008, 08:53 PM
How did I handle it...

Well during this time I had a bit of trouble being social as I was fat and had severe acne. The worst two combos one can have. From grade 9-11 I stayed home, ate horribly, played video games and guitar. I did a lot of things on my own. I barely went out with friends and was content staying at home playing guitar. I never let it get to me, I was always a confident easy going person.

If I didn't have guitar I don't know what I would have done with myself. I would spend hours after hours playing as it was the only thing that helped me. I would post audio files on the internet and get some very reassuring feedback. Most of the stuff I posted was classical guitar (although I do play rock as well). It was a way for me to get away from things and it was challenging enough to keep me busy. I practiced so much that I got my grade 7 Royal Conservatory of Music in classical guitar after 1.5 years (usually it takes 3-5 years for most). I was about to take my grade 8 (highest level is 11, this is like getting a university degree here in Canada) but decided not to.

At the end of my grade 7 exam the examiner (who is a very well known and important Canadian classical guitarist) asked me if I wanted to know what he thought of my playing. I thought he sends it in written form but I said sure. He said he sees lots of potential and likes the way I play, but that it needs more practice time. He than asked me how long I have been playing. I said 1.5 years and he said "HOLY *****". I was amazed... this man with such a high status, a person who has seen countless student guitarists in his career swearing in a formal setting. I must have made an impact on him. This was a very special moment in my life. To impress such a man is not easy. I also had a scholarship offer from the University of Toronto for classical guitar, that made me proud. I turned it down and pursued chemistry instead.

Not for a second do I regret my high school years. It was all about bettering myself and my own skills. I became an accomplished guitarist. Because of that I got to play 3 concerts each with over 1000 people and one of them being for the BIGGEST rock radio station in Toronto. I was not social at all but all the normal people with social high school lives generally did not accomplish nearly as much as I did. I have yet to meet another guitarist who is just as proficient as me in different styles of music. I would not give it up for anything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz6DaQU4Irk
Here is my first video. It was taken 2 years after I started playing classical guitar. and the start of my physical change (I was about 145 lbs then at 5'11. I lost 40 lbs from cross country running). This was a grade 8 piece.

All I can say is holy fn' *****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That piece really kicks a$$!! I play a bit of guitar myself,
I don't practice to the extent that you have been, but
I do enjoy it.

I'm more into blues, rockabilly, jazz, classic rock,
classic metal but I really do appreciate all styles
of music especially someone who uses multiple
styles in his/her repatoir.

Well, I'm glad you had that experience with this
known Guitar professor. Sounds like it was very
uplifting for you.

At least you got into guitar, you could've gotten
into alcoholism, drugs etc..... You used your
heart ache and did something constructive
with it.

I do give you much respect for that!!

In terms of training, are you going for slow
clean bulk gains now?

BFGUITAR
09-22-2008, 09:22 PM
I play a lot of rock as well. I am starting a blues band.

Well that was 2 years ago, Ive changed a lot. I went up to 185, down to 170, up to 205, and now down to 180 again.

As for going to drugs and alcohol... if I was exposed to it I may have fallen in to the trap but most of my friends weren't in to that, I consider myself lucky.

Trevorthefatguy
09-22-2008, 10:21 PM
BFGuitar, you got some talent man, great job!


Thunder, i forgot to ask how many calories you were bringing in daily, if you count that is...some people don't

ThunderCat30
09-23-2008, 11:29 AM
I play a lot of rock as well. I am starting a blues band.

Well that was 2 years ago, Ive changed a lot. I went up to 185, down to 170, up to 205, and now down to 180 again.

As for going to drugs and alcohol... if I was exposed to it I may have fallen in to the trap but most of my friends weren't in to that, I consider myself lucky.

Hey BF, well it sounds like you're on the right track with
your body which is great to hear.

You should definitely consider yourself lucky that you didn't
fall into drugs and alcohol. I new other kids even adults
who did and they went down the wrong path.

I'm glad you got into guitar instead, always better to
do something constructive IMO.


Trevorthefatguy;

BFGuitar, you got some talent man, great job!


Thunder, i forgot to ask how many calories you were bringing in daily, if you count that is...some people don't

He Trev,

I'm not sure how many calories I'm bringing in a day, but I
know it's a lot less.

I'm still eating 5-6 times a day with protein at each meal,
grains, oatmeal, brown rice, flaxseed oil liquid, pure olive
oil, 1 tblspn each a day, fruits, green veggies, leafy greens,
whole wheat pasta, horse meat, extra lean beef, chicken
egg whites, white kidney beans, red kidney beans, lentils,
chick peas, a few baby tomatoes a day with salad, high
fiber All bran buds 1/3 cup with my oatmeal/rasberries.

Basically what I did in May was realize that my portions
were too big.

Every food I eat at a meal is no larger than the palm
of my hand whether it's my horse meat, chicken, egg
whites (usually 3+1 yolk), you get the idea, but green
and leafy green veggies you can get away with eating
a little more.

I've cut carbs to no later than 4pm, at night I will eat 2
more meals, some chicken with leafy green salad, and
3 egg whites with some green veggies.

I also take some supplements like L-Glutamine, L-Carnitine
which I've found has really helped (it helps turn food into
energy), Nitric Oxide & Gingko Biloba (helps open your
blood vessels for improved circulation), Natural test boosters,
Creatine Ethly Ester in capsule form which has helped me
tighten up a lot, Saw Palmetto for Prostate health and
DHT blocker.

Do they really help? Hard to say really, but I feel better
over all while taking these supplements

I order online and spend no more than $250 every 6 weeks.
If I bought them in a local shop, each product would be
anywhere from $15 to $30 more on top of the cost value
including the S & H.

So I really get my money's worth in supplements for that
price.

If you want to know exactly which supplements, I can show you.
But make sure you check warning labels for any reactions, drug
interactions or medical condition interactions you may have.

As a trainer, it's not ethical to recommend supplements to clients.
Basically the supplements I've tried in my life I've been lucky to
not have adverse reactions except for a few.

Once I stopped taking them, things returned to normal.

Just my recommendation on supplements.

ThunderCat30
09-23-2008, 05:04 PM
I just checked my scale today and I'm at 190lbs
first thing in the morning on an empty stomach.

I think this is the best time to way yourself?

During the day I go up to about 195lbs after eating a
few times.

Then the following morning, I'm usually half a pound
lighter.

For me this is the best measurement of progress and
what one looks like in the mirror.

I don't want to get too obsessed with it as it's not healthy. I'm
trying to stay at a point where it will just happen naturally.

ThunderCat30
09-24-2008, 02:29 PM
I've started experimenting with exercises on the swiss
ball.

It's only been 2 weeks, and just thought I'd add that I've
noticed that they've helped make a huuuge difference in
the over all sculpting.

I lift as heavy as I can with keeping proper form on the
swiss ball, but keep it at an 8 rep minimum 12 rep maximum
per set for each exercise.

I'm headed to do back and triceps now. My back I use
more cables now for fine detailing, but I think I could
line up the cable cross over machines and sit on a
swiss ball to do close grip and wide grip rows.

I'm thinking for triceps I can do reverse close grip
on the ball along with skull crushers and an ez bar,
and 1-arm over head extensions.

The thing I've found the most with the swiss ball
is you obviously can't lift as heavy, but in reality,
I feel you're builinding a lot more quality muscle
and strength in combination with sculpting.

I really hope these methods will help with the
finishing details to my body.

I'm very very close to having the body that I
perceive is perfect for my frame which would
be the more athletic football player type.
For example a running back, Wide Receiver, or
Defensive Back.

This is what I want with about a minimum of 15% BF.
I was over 30% BF in May, now I'm well under 20% BF
(I'm guessing) and counting so it's definitely achievable
at the rate I'm going.