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Notorious
10-07-2008, 06:31 PM
About two weeks ago, I crapped out oil twice. Thinking it was from drinking olive oil, I switched to heavy whipping cream, which is delicious btw, and it didn't happen again until today.

Diet today, so far, was:

1.5 cups of cottage cheese
protein/dextrose shake
2 cups 2% milk
24 buffalo wings
7 slices of pizza

I also take 10 fish oil caps before I go to sleep, and occasionally they come out undigested, so that may be it (although, I should add, oil was orangish first two times, which makes me think it was saturated. Today was just normal yellow-oil color). Is there anything else that it could be?

RedSpikeyThing
10-07-2008, 07:23 PM
I've been flamed for saying this before, but I'll say it again. See a doctor. Pooping out anything that isn't poop is bad, I don't care what anyone says.

jpw204
10-08-2008, 07:26 AM
I assume you are on a bulk? That's some serious eating! I don't think what you describe is all that big of a deal. If you were drinking Olive Oil, it sounds like your body just wasn't able to absorb it all, and some of it passed through. I would worry, just cut down on the intake a little bit.

deeder
10-08-2008, 09:13 AM
Check this article out... (http://www.elitefts.com/documents/****.htm)

Seriously? The forum edited the link because it says s.h.i.t.

So yeah... http://www.elitefts.com/documents/s.h.i.t.html <-- without the periods in ****

Tom Mutaffis
10-08-2008, 10:12 AM
I would say to try to normalize your diet for a couple of days, 24 buffalo wings and 7 slices of pizza along with milk and protein shakes I can definitely understand why you're having gastro problems.

If it does happen again then you should definitely follow this advice:


I've been flamed for saying this before, but I'll say it again. See a doctor. Pooping out anything that isn't poop is bad, I don't care what anyone says.

Hard to say why this is happening but any time that you have a medical issue where something appears very wrong with your body it is always best to be safe and get yourself checked out.

Most Doctors would probably send you through a number of tests if you came in with these symptoms so I would say for now try eating normally for a day or two and see if that resolves things.

samadhi_smiles
10-08-2008, 02:09 PM
whats the purpose of taking 10 fish oil caps? More is not better with fish oil, in fact more can be detrimental to your mental health. There are some relatively potent chemicals found in fish oil that alter the acetylcholine axis in your brain (it is a neurotransmitter linked to emotion, vigilance/attention, and cognition in general).

Take her easy

Invain
10-08-2008, 02:26 PM
Are those pills 1 gram each? That's a lot of fishoil.

samadhi_smiles
10-08-2008, 02:36 PM
(if they are 1g)

10g of fish oil is a large dose, but not an unheard of dose. Oddly enough, the studies that looked at differences between dosage levels of fish oil found that low doses (1-2g) were beneficial and high doses (8-10g) were also beneficial, but mid-range doses (4-6g) were not beneficial.

This should strike you as very odd!

I figure that the cause of this is midrange doses cause downregulation of acetylcholine receptors in your brain but aren't large enough dosage wise to activate (with brute force) enough receptors...while large doses can overcome the downregulation occurred just by taking the drug and activate what remains with brute force.

Sorta scary if you think about it. I recommend not exceeding 2g a day and also taking semi-frequent breaks from it (maybe 4-5 days 'on' and 2-3 days 'off' a week).

Let your receptors maintain homeostasis...don't bombard them every day with 10g.

deeder
10-08-2008, 03:11 PM
(if they are 1g)

10g of fish oil is a large dose, but not an unheard of dose. Oddly enough, the studies that looked at differences between dosage levels of fish oil found that low doses (1-2g) were beneficial and high doses (8-10g) were also beneficial, but mid-range doses (4-6g) were not beneficial.

This should strike you as very odd!

I figure that the cause of this is midrange doses cause downregulation of acetylcholine receptors in your brain but aren't large enough dosage wise to activate (with brute force) enough receptors...while large doses can overcome the downregulation occurred just by taking the drug and activate what remains with brute force.

Sorta scary if you think about it. I recommend not exceeding 2g a day and also taking semi-frequent breaks from it (maybe 4-5 days 'on' and 2-3 days 'off' a week).

Let your receptors maintain homeostasis...don't bombard them every day with 10g.

Source?

I've heard of people taking 30+ grams of fish oil a day.

Lyle Mcdonald recommends at least 6grams a day while on low calories. Poliquin is a big proponent of "mega-dosing" with fishoil:


Q&A with Charles Poliquin

Q: What's one supplement that every athlete, weekend warrior, and basically any active person should be taking daily?

A: Fish oil. I was first introduced to fish oil twelve years ago by my friend Mauro DiPasquale. I was over at his house and he had fish oil on the counter. I asked him what he used it for and he said, "Charles, this is the most important supplement ever."

He told me to go to Medline and punch in any disease known to man and the words "fish oil" beside it. He challenged me to find a study that didn't show how fish oil could benefit in the treatment of any disease. I gave up after 86 studies!

Why is it so beneficial? It's in our genes. Humans used to consume 300-400 grams of omega-3s per week. If we consume more than two grams a day now it's considered a lot.

There was a study published four years ago that showed that if the US government issued three grams of fish oil per day to American citizens, then the amount of cancer and heart disease would go down by 50% within one year. Most readers don't care about cancer and heart disease, but they may care about this: the biggest limiting factor in naturally training people to getting lean and adding muscle is the consumption (or lack thereof) of omega-3s.

Looking at the body structure of cavemen, they had a lot of muscle mass compared to modern man. They got their omega-3s through the meats they ate. Now, they often ate what the predators left. For example, a lion will eat an antelope from the gut on, so what's left is the skull and long bones. Primitive man would break the skull open and eat the brains. Brains are 60% fat, and 60% of that is DHA, the omega-3. What they've found is that the more brain-sucking was going in those populations, the faster the IQ went up.

Primitive man would also break the bones of the prey and suck the marrow, also rich in omega-3, DHA particularly. DHA is the omega-3 most responsible for brain development while EPA is most associated with reducing inflammation.

My athletes would often recognize each other when sitting around a table because those I'd be training would break out the fish oil during the meal. That's how I got the nickname "the fish oil guy" among athletes. But that's also how I get people so lean so fast.

Anyone who wants to put on muscle and lose fat should be on 30-45 grams of fish oil per day. That's just three tablespoons of fish oil. It would be a pain in the ass with capsules though because that's around 45 capsules per day, but it's easy with a straight oil


10 Reasons Fish Oils are Essential
By: Charles Poliquin

Fish oils, rich in the Omega-3 fatty acids may help prevent depression, stabilize the moods of maniac-depressives, and alleviate symptoms of schizophrenia.
University of California's Johnsson Cancer Center, Los Angeles, CA health.com


Fish oils is one of the few substances known to lower concentrations of triglycerides (fatty substances) that pose a cardiovascular risk, in the blood.
J Raloff Science News


Increasing the amount of Omega-3 fatty acids has direct effects on serotonin levels.
Andrew Stoll M.D.1999 Archives of General Psychiatry


Fish oils, eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) help prevent heart disease, depression, and cancer.
Hans R. Larsen, Msc chE "Fish Oils: The Essential Nutrients" International Health News


Research has shown that supplementation with fish oils can markedly reduce interlukin-1beta production and results in a significant reduction in morning stiffness and the number of painful joints in rheumatoid arthritis patients.
Darlington, L Gail and Stone, Trevor W. Antioxidants and fatty acids in the amelioration of rheumatoid arthritis and related disorders. British Journal of Nutrition, Vol. 85, March 2001, pp.251-69. Oilofpisces.com


Several clinical trials have concluded that eating fish regularly or supplementing with fish oils can reduce the risk of sudden cardiac death by as much as 50%.
Bigger,J. Thomas and El-Sherif, Tarek. Polyunsaturated fatty acids and cardiovascular events: a fish tale. Circulation, Vol.103, February 6, 2001, pp623-25 (editorial). Oilofpisces.com


Researchers at Mayo Clinic report that supplementation with fish oils, EPA and DHA is highly effective in slowing down the progression of IgA nephropathy, a common kidney disease.
Donadio, James V.,et al. A controlled trial of fish oil in IgA nephropathy. New England Journal of Medicine, Vol 331 November 3, 1994, pp1194-99 Van Ypersele de Strihou, Charles. Fish oil for IgA nephropathy? New England Journal of Medicine, Vol 331, November 3, 1994, pp 1227-29 (editorial). Oilofpisces.com


Epidemiological studies have shown that populations with a high intake of fish oils have a lower incidence of inflammatory diseases such as asthma.
Dry J. and Vincent D. Effect of a Fish oil diet on asthma: results of a 1-year double bind study. Int Arch Allerguy Appl Immurol, Vol.95, 1991,pp.156-57. Oilofpisces.com


Researchers at The University of Tromso now report that fish oil supplementation lowers blood pressure significantly in people with hypertension and has no effect on glucose control even in people with mid diabetes.
Toft, Ingrid, et al. Effects of n-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids on glucose homeostasis and blood pressure in essential hypertension. Annals of Internal Medicine, Vol 123, No 12, December 15, 1995, pp 911-18. Connor, William E. Diabetes, fish oil, and vascular disease. Annals of Internal Medicine, Vol 123, No 12, December 15, 1995, pp950-52. Oilofpisces.com.


Medical researchers in New Zealand provide convincing evidence that an increased consumption of fish oils helps reduce the risk of developing prostate cancer.
Norrish, A,E, et al. Prostate cancer risk and consumption of fis

samadhi_smiles
10-08-2008, 03:33 PM
well, they never mention as far as I can tell that there is DMAE contained within the fish oil. DMAE, like I said, is a potent drug that will alter your consciousness/cognition.

I'll try to find sources later on, but I've been working on and off all day and digging up sources for my work so I'm not going to get right on it :D

Notorious
10-09-2008, 12:28 PM
Happened again yesterday night an this morning. I did some google searches and the most common sources of the problem are cashews, a fish called escholar, and possibly alcohol. I can't remember the last time I had any of these, although I probably do average a serving of peanuts a day which may be related to the cashews.

Yes, the fish oil caps are 1g each. I have been taking 10g a day for probably about a year now (that's what Built recommended when she was on here), and I have never had problems. I remember someone else on here explaining that if you ever have a decent sized fish steak, it's gonna have more than 10g of fat in it, so it isn't really all that large of a dose.

I think the problem might be that I may just be having too much fat in one serving on some days. On workout days, I tend to eat a lot of carbs/protein before and after workouts, and then I'll realize I hardly had any fat for the day so I load up on fatty foods before I go to bed. I'll try to split it up more evenly throughout the day. I also rarely eat fruits/veggies, so that might have something to do with it.

liftstuff
10-09-2008, 02:30 PM
I would definitely eat more fruits and veggies. they are so underappreciated.

Max Thunder
10-10-2008, 11:13 AM
It doesn't make sense what you guys are saying about 10g of fish oil being too much. That's about 3g of omega3; it's easy to eat more than that everyday with diet alone. A pound of salmon has about 11g of omega 3.