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Fuzzy
10-08-2008, 05:59 AM
This is purely a reflection.

Any weightlifter considering going far in the sport must be ale to train up to 3 times a day comfortably, this process of developments takes years, and I am now being really exposed to high frequency training. For the record I have incredibly supportive and financially secure parents who have agreed to support, house, feed me, and my my fees while I pursue my weightlifting goals well into my mid 20's.

In to the point...

Up till now, double sessions for me had been squats, pulls, and occasionally presses/back work etc in the morning, and then a typical weightlifting session for the second. I was pretty used to this and could cope well on up to 11 sessions a week.

I am now approaching 18 months of weightlifting... I am being held back alot, I know I have more in me than my coach will let me do, but I know it is better I be patient and progress than overshoot and injure myself. However, my coach decided that I have gained enough experience to handle true double sessions without injury. I also have a 2 week break from school, which is ideal...

Last week I finished 8 days, in which there were 14 sessions of snatch clean and jerk squats in all their variations. Needless to say I was feeling crippled. After a few days rest, I am now in the second phase and handling it far better. Fatigue is constant, and by the end of the phases my hands are rubbed raw, and most lifts are down by 20 pounds.

I am coping with it by being very persistent about my recovery, I am eating close to 5000 calories a day, sleeping in between sessions, receiving regular deep tissue massage as well as heat/cold stuff etc etc.

I can not imagine having to work during this, again I am fortunate to have good coaching and my parents. This has given me a little taste of what my future weightlifting will be like, and what the daily lives of some state sponsored athletes are like. In China, Bulgaria, Russia etc athletes are housed and fed, coaching and recovery is taken care of, they merely have to lift... If I am to stand a chance then I have to train under as similar conditions as possible (drugs are a separate matter altogether and the least of my concerns.)

I just wanted to share with everyone, feel free to ask... don't bother asking about specific programming, I prefer not to share that.

Andrew Cohn
10-08-2008, 12:57 PM
You mention that you feel you may be held back and feel like you can do more...................This is good because it is a periodized schedule that should help prevent overtraining and injury. I use to want to go all day too at 100% but when you learn about the specifics of training and it's effect on the body, you will learn that less is more alot of the time.

roots
10-08-2008, 11:34 PM
thats pretty cool, lots of dedication you have there. Just curious, how long have you been lifting? and when do you plan on participating in the olympics?

Fuzzy
10-09-2008, 02:36 AM
thats pretty cool, lots of dedication you have there. Just curious, how long have you been lifting? and when do you plan on participating in the olympics?

I powerlifted competitively for a bit over a year, and have been Oly lifting for 18 months now.

As for the Olympics... I would obviously like to go to 2012/2016, but I refrain from asking those kinds of questions. I leave the larger thinking too my coach and just focus on moving the bar in ront of me at the time.

Thinking takes up far too many calories.

HP666
10-09-2008, 05:08 PM
Fuzzy, I've always said you are wise beyond your years. This post is just motivating the ***** out of me right now; seriously. You are an inspiration for hard work and dedication.

Come on Chris, the kid is gonna be an Olympian, albeit for Australia, not the U.S., send him some RESULTS!!!!

Travis Bell
10-09-2008, 05:13 PM
Good work Fuzzy. 3 sessions a day must be very tiring. Excellent work though on your commitment to your goals. You will do well.

I've done 2 sessions a day for as long as 2 weeks before and that just about wore me completely out. 3 a day would be pretty difficult.

vdizenzo
10-09-2008, 06:06 PM
Just keep kicking ass and the rest will take care of itself.

Fuzzy
10-09-2008, 06:16 PM
Fuzzy, I've always said you are wise beyond your years. This post is just motivating the ***** out of me right now; seriously. You are an inspiration for hard work and dedication.

Come on Chris, the kid is gonna be an Olympian, albeit for Australia, not the U.S., send him some RESULTS!!!!

I have alot to prove before I can even think of it, but thank you anyway.


Good work Fuzzy. 3 sessions a day must be very tiring. Excellent work though on your commitment to your goals. You will do well.

I've done 2 sessions a day for as long as 2 weeks before and that just about wore me completely out. 3 a day would be pretty difficult.

It ins interesting, but it will make returning to normal programs far easier, and now I have the experience to do it again in the next few months once I finish school.


Just keep kicking ass and the rest will take care of itself.

That's the plan! Coach gives me the lift, weight, numbers, I move them. It's that simple when you are under experienced people. All it takes is the respect to listen and comply.

I am 5 weeks out from my next comp, so I should be posting some vids of a 300 pound clean and jerk.

V? Do you guys ever do double sessions?

vdizenzo
10-09-2008, 06:24 PM
That's the plan! Coach gives me the lift, weight, numbers, I move them. It's that simple when you are under experienced people. All it takes is the respect to listen and comply.

I am 5 weeks out from my next comp, so I should be posting some vids of a 300 pound clean and jerk.

V? Do you guys ever do double sessions?

I am 39, I can hardly hand single sessions. Good luck in your competition. I look forward to watching your progress.

KarstenDD
10-09-2008, 06:31 PM
I am 39, I can hardly hand single sessions.

I'm 22. I'm lucky if I don't almost pass out and die on the drive home.

chris mason
10-09-2008, 09:50 PM
Fuzzy, you have earned it! PM me your address and I will send you a jug of RESULTS as a gift.

Chris

Fuzzy
10-09-2008, 10:06 PM
Fuzzy, you have earned it! PM me your address and I will send you a jug of RESULTS as a gift.

Chris

Chris, remember I am in Australia, surely that is not cost effective for you?

roots
10-09-2008, 10:31 PM
300 lb clean and jerk is massive. what were your best powerlifting lifts when you competed? and do you still train deadlifts and bench nowadays or strictly oly stuff?

Fuzzy
10-09-2008, 11:04 PM
300 lb clean and jerk is massive. what were your best powerlifting lifts when you competed? and do you still train deadlifts and bench nowadays or strictly oly stuff?

407/308/462@210 in competition, raw.

Yes, strictly Oly stuff now.

chris mason
10-10-2008, 12:05 AM
Chris, remember I am in Australia, surely that is not cost effective for you?

No, but it is cool. Up to you.

deeder
10-10-2008, 12:24 AM
Chris, remember I am in Australia, surely that is not cost effective for you?


No, but it is cool. Up to you.

Fuzzy, I'll PM you MY address, and you can forward that to Chris ;)

samj
10-10-2008, 10:38 AM
Fuzzy, you have earned it! PM me your address and I will send you a jug of RESULTS as a gift.

chris ive earned it too! i work 10hours a day 6 days a week as a labourer :(

deeder
10-10-2008, 12:56 PM
Since I made a useless post above I thought I should actually add something to this thread...

Fuzzy, those of us who have been around a while have seen the transformation you've gone through, both as a strength athlete and a person. You've come a long way from the cocky 14 year old that first started posting on here. You'll go far in oly lifting and when you're done with that I'm sure you'll excel at whatever you choose to pursue.

Detard
10-10-2008, 04:00 PM
Since I made a useless post above I thought I should actually add something to this thread...

Fuzzy, those of us who have been around a while have seen the transformation you've gone through, both as a strength athlete and a person. You've come a long way from the cocky 14 year old that first started posting on here. You'll go far in oly lifting and when you're done with that I'm sure you'll excel at whatever you choose to pursue.

Agreed. You come across as much older than you are.

Good luck with your goals and everything dude.

HP666
10-10-2008, 04:22 PM
Fuzzy, you have earned it! PM me your address and I will send you a jug of RESULTS as a gift.

Chris

I have to say, when I commented on sending the kid some RESULTS I was half kidding, but after reading his post, and being a user/believer in RESULTS myself, the first thing I thought was "RESULTS can help this kid." Now Chris offering Fuzzy a bottle I must say is a complete act of generosity and class; and is the exact reason why I'm a customer of ALN, and will always be a customer of ALN. And I don't say this to kiss up to Chris and Daniel, I could care less if Chris Mason likes me or if he thinks I'm an A-hole, as long as he keeps making the products he makes and I can get my hands on them.

How's that for a testimonial!!! LOL :thumbup:

We should do a TV spot: "Products so good even an A-hole like me uses them!" And for the record I don't think Chris thinks I'm an A-hole.

40 Nunc
10-10-2008, 05:00 PM
Hope I'm not hijacking the thread here, but how does 2 or 3 per day workouts improve results? There are always comments here regarding rest periods, sleep, etc. Is it for advanced lifters only or can anyone see results from doing workouts like this?

Leeman
10-10-2008, 05:15 PM
Hope I'm not hijacking the thread here, but how does 2 or 3 per day workouts improve results? There are always comments here regarding rest periods, sleep, etc. Is it for advanced lifters only or can anyone see results from doing workouts like this?

a few ways...

increases recovery, raises GPP, lets you practice the lifts more, lets you focus harder on each different thing you train because you have breaks and meals and naps between sessions etc. Just to name a few.


anyone can see results like this, you can see results training 20 times a day, but I doubt they would be the best results.

Does training like this produce the best results? I dont know.

Is it worth the extra time spent in the gym? Sometimes it is.

Is it needed? no.

HP666
10-10-2008, 05:18 PM
Hope I'm not hijacking the thread here, but how does 2 or 3 per day workouts improve results? There are always comments here regarding rest periods, sleep, etc. Is it for advanced lifters only or can anyone see results from doing workouts like this?

Anyone could do it, it has a lot to do with adaptation. You need to be consistent and get your body/mind/cns ready for the training. If you train four times a week and then all of a sudden decide that you're gonna train 3 times a day for a few days, well, you're gonna feel like a bag of *****. If you trained three times a day for six months, well then you're body/mind/cns will get used to it. This may be oversimplifying it but I think adaption is the key.

Fuzzy
10-10-2008, 05:21 PM
a few ways...

increases recovery, raises GPP, lets you practice the lifts more, lets you focus harder on each different thing you train because you have breaks and meals and naps between sessions etc. Just to name a few.


anyone can see results like this, you can see results training 20 times a day, but I doubt they would be the best results.

Does training like this produce the best results? I dont know.

Is it worth the extra time spent in the gym? Sometimes it is.

Is it needed? no.

For powerlifting, definitely not needed. It is far different when oly lifting is concerned. What you said above was correct.

The movements are complicated, so you need to build up the conditioning in order to be able to practice them under heavy loads daily.

It's almost like gymnastics, you can't jsut expect them to do some rings once a week, then some side bars once or twice a week to, they need to train everyday.

ruga buga
10-11-2008, 11:40 PM
damn fuzz, that is alot of work. props to you for your dedication