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SGT ROCK
11-27-2008, 07:48 PM
Gunny Green, how many people have done over 500 raw OFFICIALLY at such a light weight.

Hoornstra over 600 at 242, routinely over 600.


I don't know of many lightweights, someone help me out?

Great thing about a contest raw lift, is there is little debate. No questions like WAS IT ONE PLY? DENIM OR POLY? HIS LOCKOUT WAS UNEVEN? JUDGING WAS CRAPPY? You see very little bashing of a contest raw lift. Lots of people talk alot about what they can do, few show it. Gunny proves it in the gym and on the platform, raw.

Many have learned how to master a bench shirt, few have the raw strength of the greats in the past.

As a side note, if Kenelley trained for a raw meet I know the record would fall. I have seen him do near 600 in the warmup room for REPS easy.


Semper Fi

chris mason
11-27-2008, 07:52 PM
Wbb's Nick Winters has to be considered. I totally agree about Hoornstra. I will have to think about some others.

Eric Downey
11-27-2008, 10:40 PM
gunny 535 i think is his best
nick 600+
wolfe 600+
j rock is in his own league
rock louis is the lightest person to bench 600 in comp. btw i think of 232.
siders.
wbb's kingkong ( robert wilkinson )

persoanlly ive done 500 in the gym a few times but raw benching is something I dont really train for. heavy reps of 3 is where i normally stop.

Erik 23
11-27-2008, 11:40 PM
My Picks are Nick Winters Jeremy Hoornstra Brian Siders Scott mendelson Rock Lewis James Henderson Jim Williams Mike Wolfe George halbert, after watching him bench at mike wolfes charity meet dont know if he's put up anything official raw.Robert Wilkerson and Mike Siegler and Gunny Green,and Ryan Kennelly.

abebesheir
11-28-2008, 07:28 AM
Hoornstra, of course, although nothing has been heard from him in a while...
Gunny Green and Ryan Celli have both done over 500, Green at 220 and Celli at 198...
Will Lynch benching high 400s at 181 routinely...
Dennis Cieri benching ~520 at 198.
Rock Lewis benching 600 at 229...
There are many others... Nick Winters and John Dolan for the SHWs, both well over 600.
The lighter guys (165 and down), I am not so sure about.

Lones Green
11-28-2008, 07:55 AM
anyone who benches over 600 raw is amazing.

i still have yet to see a 600 raw bench. seen a few attempts, but they were never good.

there is a gymrat in my gym who has benched 600+. the form was sloppy and it wouldn't have passed in a meet. he used no leg drive, it was actually pretty amazing. i haven't seen him in forever, but he doesn't powerlift, he lifts for the hell of it.

vdizenzo
11-28-2008, 08:08 AM
I'll toot my own horn because I have hit a 600 raw in comp.

Ryan Celli
11-28-2008, 08:27 AM
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JasonLift
11-28-2008, 09:17 AM
anyone who benches over 600 raw is amazing.

i still have yet to see a 600 raw bench. seen a few attempts, but they were never good.

there is a gymrat in my gym who has benched 600+. the form was sloppy and it wouldn't have passed in a meet. he used no leg drive, it was actually pretty amazing. i haven't seen him in forever, but he doesn't powerlift, he lifts for the hell of it.

I think I remember Tank Abbot doing 600 or close to it and I think it was raw from what I remember. It was during one of the older ufcs around 7-8 range.

nhlfan
11-28-2008, 11:01 AM
I love watching George Halbert bench

Eric Downey
11-28-2008, 01:11 PM
i forgot Joe Mazza. As far as Halbert goes if you watch the old westside tapes he smokes 625

HICK
11-28-2008, 01:18 PM
George Halbert is a machine! Nick Winters makes 650 look effortless! I've never seen Wolfey max out raw but I have seen him rep 500 for 9 or 10 reps.

Travis Bell
11-28-2008, 01:39 PM
Keep an eye out for George. He's been just focusing on his raw strength completely for the time being.

Nick Winters is definitely one of the top contenders

Ryan Celli is probably one of the best lightweights currently

Ryan Kennelly certainly could take the raw record, but until he does I'd have to tip my hat to Mendelson on that.

SGT ROCK
11-28-2008, 03:04 PM
Good posts guys! I am more interested in who has put anything up within the past year, like a top list for CURRENT guys. We all know Kenelly etc can put up huge numbers, but I want CONTEST numbers from the past calendar year, just for arguements sake to keep everyone on spot, including me lol.

Semper Fi

Darracq
11-28-2008, 05:12 PM
I think Jason coker did 500 at 198.

Chubrock
11-28-2008, 05:38 PM
Rock Lewis hit 600 at 241 in the 100% Raw.

Jason198
11-28-2008, 05:44 PM
Its pretty cool to hear George is focusing on his raw strength

SGT ROCK
11-28-2008, 05:49 PM
Gym lifts are great guys, and I know alot of guys that compete only geared will say they don't care about raw and that is all well and good, I am looking for CONTEST benches. I would like to get a list of the top raw contest benches.

Semper Fi

cmirabile
11-29-2008, 10:40 AM
Based solely on official contest lifts I would say:

Currently:

Jeremy Hoornstra...615# @ 242# and 650# @ 275# (260#)
Rock Lewis....600# @ 242# (600# @ 229# and 241#)
Cieri and Celli both over 500# @ 198#
Nick Winters...650# @ SHY
Mendy...701# @ 308# and 715# @ SHY
John Dolan...628# @ SHY

All Time:

Mike MacDonald...522# @ 181#, 562# @ 198#, 582# @ 220#, and 603# @ 242# (240#....MacDonald also did 609# at only 232# in a meet but lost the lift officially due to a rule infraction since changed...it would have counted under the current rules...it nipped the upright just before full lockout)
Rick Weil...485# @ 165# and 551# @ 181#
Ted Arcidi...650# @ 275# and 666# @ SHY (285#)
James Henderson...711# @ SHY (at least 5 700# lifts officially done)
Mike Bridges...529# @ 181# (plus was a more than 2100# total simultaneously)
Jim Williams 675# @ SHY (elbow wraps, near miss @ 700#, at least 650# officially without elbow wraps), Pat Casey (first to 600#, 615# and 617# officially @ SHY), and Bill Kazmaier (661# @ SHY, 600# for 5 reps at a time when only about 10 men could do it for a single) get some props as well because they were all ahead of their time. Larry Pacifico is often over looked but was a great raw bencher (530# @ 198#, 567# @ 220, and 590# @ 242#) with a big total. Mel Henessy and Ronnie Ray were also brute raw power in their time.

I'd love to see what George Halbert and Mike Siegler could due officially as 242#ers raw. Siegler's training lifts are rediculous with perfect form (see his 605# double on youtube). I have seen Halbert's 625# touch'n go bench on the Westside video...impressive, but based solely on the video, a paused 600# likely would have been tough. Both these guys seem to have the potential for big raw numbers.

cmirabile
11-29-2008, 10:54 AM
I know that quite a few of these lifters are nursing some injuries. Does anyone know when Nick Winters, Jeremy Hoornstra, and Rock Lewis plan on competing again?

bigbadwolfe
11-29-2008, 03:05 PM
Here is the Top in each weightclass ~

Weight Class Name X-Bwt Bench Press (lbs) Date

114 Andrzej Stanaszek 3.51 391 11/16/94
123 Rick Couch 3.06 377 4/10/93
132 Joe Bradley 3.00 397 12/6/80
148 Alex Poku 3.02 435 1/13/90
165 Rick Weil 2.94 485 7/23/83
181 Rick Weil 3.06 556 6/29/86
198 Mike Macdonald 2.84 562 10/4/80
220 Mike Macdonald 2.64 582 5/19/79
242 Jeremy Hoornstra 2.56 615 9/29/06
275 Ted Arcidi 2.36 650 11/13/83
308 Scot Mendelson 2.28 701 10/12/02
SHW Scot Mendelson 2.28 715 5/22/05

youngguns
11-29-2008, 03:43 PM
travis bell has a pretty good raw bench, i remember seeing vid's of him grinding out 515 lbs. raw. btw, whens your next raw cycle, travis?

Travis Bell
11-29-2008, 03:57 PM
Thanks man! Yeah that video was from some time last spring I believe. Right now I'm sitting at 530.

My next raw cycle will be after this meet next weekend. I'm contemplating entering the Raw Unity meet as a 275er and shooting for a 545 raw bench

youngguns
11-29-2008, 05:24 PM
Thanks man! Yeah that video was from some time last spring I believe. Right now I'm sitting at 530.

My next raw cycle will be after this meet next weekend. I'm contemplating entering the Raw Unity meet as a 275er and shooting for a 545 raw bench

you should definatly make some more vids of your next raw cycle. i remember joining the board when you first put some of them out and just being astounded (this was around the time when i actually thought i was big, lol).

SGT ROCK
11-29-2008, 05:59 PM
Wolf good post bro! My bro Gunny Green is going to erase that 220 mark sometime in the next few years, quote me on that! It is amazing to see that almost all of those records except Mendelson and Jeremy have not been TOUCHED in so many years!

Semper Fi

pocoloco blanka
11-29-2008, 08:29 PM
Here is the Top in each weightclass ~

Weight Class Name X-Bwt Bench Press (lbs) Date

114 Andrzej Stanaszek 3.51 391 11/16/94
123 Rick Couch 3.06 377 4/10/93
132 Joe Bradley 3.00 397 12/6/80
148 Alex Poku 3.02 435 1/13/90
165 Rick Weil 2.94 485 7/23/83
181 Rick Weil 3.06 556 6/29/86
198 Mike Macdonald 2.84 562 10/4/80
220 Mike Macdonald 2.64 582 5/19/79
242 Jeremy Hoornstra 2.56 615 9/29/06
275 Ted Arcidi 2.36 650 11/13/83
308 Scot Mendelson 2.28 701 10/12/02
SHW Scot Mendelson 2.28 715 5/22/05i know this wasnt in contest, but didnt i see george halbert do 610 at 198 in the animal cage this past year at the arnold?? if im not mistaken he did many sets to get there to with jay fry in his shirt..:hello:

SGT ROCK
11-29-2008, 08:59 PM
i know this wasnt in contest, but didnt i see george halbert do 610 at 198 in the animal cage this past year at the arnold?? if im not mistaken he did many sets to get there to with jay fry in his shirt..:hello:

I was there, George was LIGHT that day as well. He is a TECHNICIAN on the bench. Most of the guys to do 600 were over 300lbs, which isn't even DOUBLE BODYWEIGHT, George, Jeremy and Rock Louis all do it LIGHT which is MUCH MORE IMPRESSIVE! He touch and go'ed the weight but I am sure if G wanted to train for a raw show could put up 600 at a super light bodyweight.
George is one of the nicest people I have ever met, and I truly admire him.

Semper Fi

pocoloco blanka
11-30-2008, 08:00 AM
I was there, George was LIGHT that day as well. He is a TECHNICIAN on the bench. Most of the guys to do 600 were over 300lbs, which isn't even DOUBLE BODYWEIGHT, George, Jeremy and Rock Louis all do it LIGHT which is MUCH MORE IMPRESSIVE! He touch and go'ed the weight but I am sure if G wanted to train for a raw show could put up 600 at a super light bodyweight.
George is one of the nicest people I have ever met, and I truly admire him.

Semper Fi you are right about the touch and go sgt rock, but i was less than five feet away in the cage when he did it and it was spectacular.. and about george being a nice guy is a understatment. he is a guy with no ego or atitude. when i trained at wsb with him and wolfe and the rest of the bench crew, he treated me the same as everyone else and i was the small guy in the crowd. he can remember everyones poundages and knows how to make everyone perform at there peak.. george is a legend among legends and will continue setting the the standard in the benching community..:hello:

Eric Downey
11-30-2008, 09:55 AM
you are right about the touch and go sgt rock, but i was less than five feet away in the cage when he did it and it was spectacular.. and about george being a nice guy is a understatment. he is a guy with no ego or atitude. when i trained at wsb with him and wolfe and the rest of the bench crew, he treated me the same as everyone else and i was the small guy in the crowd. he can remember everyones poundages and knows how to make everyone perform at there peak.. george is a legend among legends and will continue setting the the standard in the benching community..:hello:

MAN THANKS FUNNY. WHEN I WENT TO WESTSIDE I WALKED IN, SAID HELLO TO LOUIE WHO POINTED ME IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, WALKED OVER AND WAS TOLD " BE READY WHEN YOUR F--CKING TUEN IS UP. " AND THAT WAS IT. NO NAMES JUST LIFTERS. I WENT ON TO HAVE ONE OF THE BEST WORKOUTS TO DATE. I DIDNT TRAIN WITH GEORGE'S CREW THOUGH IT WAS THE 930 CREW I WAS THERE WITH

bigbadwolfe
11-30-2008, 11:33 AM
you are right about the touch and go sgt rock, but i was less than five feet away in the cage when he did it and it was spectacular.. and about george being a nice guy is a understatment. he is a guy with no ego or atitude. when i trained at wsb with him and wolfe and the rest of the bench crew, he treated me the same as everyone else and i was the small guy in the crowd. he can remember everyones poundages and knows how to make everyone perform at there peak.. george is a legend among legends and will continue setting the the standard in the benching community..:hello:


Sgt Rock was prolly about 5 feet away also. He is a sponsored lifter by Animal. And works the cage every year :)

SGT ROCK
11-30-2008, 09:37 PM
Thanks big Wolf! If you are going to the AC this year please drop me a pm.

Semper Fi

pocoloco blanka
12-01-2008, 12:13 PM
Thanks big Wolf! If you are going to the AC this year please drop me a pm.

Semper Fisgt rock, maybe this year at the ac i will have the opportunity to meet you in person. its funny how you can be standing beside someone you chat with but yet not know the face... stay strong my friend..:hello:

pocoloco blanka
12-01-2008, 12:15 PM
MAN THANKS FUNNY. WHEN I WENT TO WESTSIDE I WALKED IN, SAID HELLO TO LOUIE WHO POINTED ME IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, WALKED OVER AND WAS TOLD " BE READY WHEN YOUR F--CKING TUEN IS UP. " AND THAT WAS IT. NO NAMES JUST LIFTERS. I WENT ON TO HAVE ONE OF THE BEST WORKOUTS TO DATE. I DIDNT TRAIN WITH GEORGE'S CREW THOUGH IT WAS THE 930 CREW I WAS THERE WITH

when i went with wolfy we was the 7:00am crew. i was very intimidated by the strenght of everyone there..

SGT ROCK
12-01-2008, 07:04 PM
Yeah bros I will see you all there! I wear a shirt that has my name on it so I wont be hard to find lol! I know Chris joined us last time and fun was had by all!

Semper Fi

Big o Boy
12-01-2008, 09:34 PM
Here is the Top in each weightclass ~

Weight Class Name X-Bwt Bench Press (lbs) Date

181 Rick Weil 3.06 556 6/29/86


:omg: That's disgusting...

Big_Byrd52
12-03-2008, 06:58 AM
anyone who benches over 600 raw is amazing.

i still have yet to see a 600 raw bench. seen a few attempts, but they were never good.

there is a gymrat in my gym who has benched 600+. the form was sloppy and it wouldn't have passed in a meet. he used no leg drive, it was actually pretty amazing. i haven't seen him in forever, but he doesn't powerlift, he lifts for the hell of it.

Hoornstra and nick winters will be at the Arnold Classic in the Animal cage benching over 600 again this year. Hoornstra hit 635 aqnd took a stab at 675 stalling just over halfway up.

Everyone listed-- Ryan Celli and Will Lynch top lighter guys. You got joe luther doin 420 and joe mazza doin 440 both at 165.

Big Ben Graves just hit 615 this weekend at 308. He has worked with Josh Bryant for a few years, who himself is a big 600 plus bencher.

****, Andy bolton has hit 600 raw.

Ive seen Frenkle blast 495 in the IPA Pro warmup room before getting in the shirt to break the 198 record of 760... he is doin 820+ now!

Big_Byrd52
12-03-2008, 07:02 AM
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WERD! That guy is SKRONG! yes, with a K.

Big_Byrd52
12-03-2008, 07:04 AM
Gym lifts are great guys, and I know alot of guys that compete only geared will say they don't care about raw and that is all well and good, I am looking for CONTEST benches. I would like to get a list of the top raw contest benches.

Semper Fi

Yea they already do that over at PL watch. i dont have a clue what they are tho.

bill
12-03-2008, 07:55 AM
WERD! That guy is SKRONG! yes, with a K.

How much was that?

Big_Byrd52
12-03-2008, 08:18 AM
How much was that?

was over 500, around 520-530 i believe. he was at 198

bill
12-03-2008, 08:36 AM
was over 500, around 520-530 i believe. he was at 198

he made it look like 315, I'm just weak compared to some of these guys

Big_Byrd52
12-03-2008, 08:46 AM
me too dude... me too. Just remember, if u aim for the stars, u may not make it, but its hard to hit the dirt.

bill
12-03-2008, 08:50 AM
Sam your right