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BigTallOx
12-04-2008, 09:12 PM
I started pulling sumo a couple workouts ago. I think it's slightly easier to keep my hips down than pulling conventional. I put on my squat suit to see what it felt like to pull in it. I'm not sure if I like it or not for deads ( but I love it for squats ). I realize that I hitch a little ( I did a lot of volume tonight and I was getting tired ).

Anyway, here's a video I took tonight pulling sumo, any constructive comments will be appreciated.

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Erik 23
12-04-2008, 09:50 PM
Nice lift id just say maybe get your legs out a little more if your pulling sumo so you can get lower. other wise it looked good.Oh also i cant tell to much, but try to keep the bar in as close to your legs as possible great lift bro.

Chalky Palms
12-04-2008, 11:09 PM
Nice lift id just say maybe get your legs out a little more if your pulling sumo so you can get lower. other wise it looked good.Oh also i cant tell to much, but try to keep the bar in as close to your legs as possible great lift bro.

I agree with getting your feet out farther, you aren't getting the most out of that squat suit by lifting like that, get your butt down and pull back.

Sidior
12-04-2008, 11:14 PM
Hopefully Chris Rogers or Heavy Bomber post in this thread, they are some of they best sumo pullers on the site.

You need to sink the hips much lower when you start the pull though.

jed
12-04-2008, 11:23 PM
i was always under the impression you wanted to get your hips as high as you could before you start the lift? like, get all the slack out of them until they would actually contribute to the lift? maybe this is why i dont ever get deadlift shins!

Eric Downey
12-04-2008, 11:24 PM
your not wide enough hopefully sgt rock will chime in

Sidior
12-04-2008, 11:37 PM
i was always under the impression you wanted to get your hips as high as you could before you start the lift? like, get all the slack out of them until they would actually contribute to the lift? maybe this is why i dont ever get deadlift shins!

If you hips are as high as possible it would be a total straight legged deadlift. Maybe I am misunderstanding you.

Lones Green
12-05-2008, 03:27 AM
yup, get your feet wider. you are doing a straight leg deadlift. sink those hips down and arch that back, get those legs and hips into it.

SGT ROCK
12-05-2008, 05:10 AM
Wear wrestling shoes

If your going to wear a suit why wear shorts over it? The bar got caught up in it...lose the shorts

Feet out much wider, point toes out more

Drop the hips before you pull, feet through the floor, your hips are rising too fast

You hitched the weight, thats 3 red lights bro, baby powder on the legs may help that issue

If your a beginner powerlifter, do mostly conventional deads, how much can you conv vs sumo?

I have won world championships sumo and conventional, but as a taller lifter in my class, though not your height or even close, the conventional works for the huge majority of tall guys, Heisey etc.

Semper Fi

Semper Fi

10.5 Dave
12-05-2008, 09:42 AM
That's not sumo.A guy your height would have to be close to the first plate to pull sumo.You're 6" taller then me and my trainer has my feet about 3-4" from the first plate when pulling sumo.

BigTallOx
12-05-2008, 09:46 AM
If your going to wear a suit why wear shorts over it? The bar got caught up in it...lose the shorts


Because I felt naked wearing just the suit, I'll get over that.



Feet out much wider, point toes out more


I'm constantly having to work on hip flexibility, right now if I go wider my hips ache. That's getting better though, it'll get there.



Drop the hips before you pull, feet through the floor, your hips are rising too fast

If your a beginner powerlifter, do mostly conventional deads, how much can you conv vs sumo?


I've only pulled sumo for two workouts and I can already do more than conventional, 495 sumo 475 conventional.
When I pull conventional I feel like I *can't* drop my hips, and I end up using only my lower back. Switching to sumo I feel like I can somewhat keep my hips down and use my hips ( a little ) to pull. I think with some more practice, I'll be able to keep my hips down longer pulling sumo.



I have won world championships sumo and conventional, but as a taller lifter in my class, though not your height or even close, the conventional works for the huge majority of tall guys, Heisey etc.


Hmm, so are you suggesting I don't pull sumo? The way I was feeling last night was that with a little practice with sumo, I'll be able to pull A LOT more.

Thanks for your help.

BigTallOx
12-05-2008, 09:49 AM
That's not sumo.A guy your height would have to be close to the first plate to pull sumo.You're 6" taller then me and my trainer has my feet about 3-4" from the first plate when pulling sumo.

I'm pulling with my arms inside my legs, so it's sumo, or at least that my definition. Like I said, when I go wider my hips bother me.

SGT ROCK
12-05-2008, 02:44 PM
What is your best conventional? I know your a beginner bro, you should REALLY be doing the majority of your pulls CONVENTIONAL, regardless of height, but ESPECIALLY for being a real tall dude. Each year I watch Ed Coan DL videos, and feel like all of a sudden I can be the next great sumo puller, with light weights up to 650-700 I can usually SNAP it off the deck sometimes easier than a conv pull. When I get over that I realize I am not ready to be a full time sumo puller, I am much more sturdy conv and can GRIND OUT a tough rep conv, not true in sumo. Sumo pullers are born, not made.

Semper Fi

notlef70
12-05-2008, 03:29 PM
JMI-- I am a novice powerlifter and a fellow sumo puller just like yourself. Personally, I feel that with practice, you can become an excellent sumo puller. Although my gym PR is only 625 (sumo), I know that my mistakes are mostly technical. I would first read all that I can about sumo pulling. I took the liberty of listing a few of them below.

1. www.elitefts.com/documents/adv_sumo_deadlift_training.htm
2. [www.elitefts.com/documents/sumodl.htm
3. www.elitefts.com/documents/go_sumo.htm
4. www.elitefts.com/documents/go_sumo.htm (this one is great because he is a conventional puller who incorporates sumo into his training).
5. www.elitefts.com/documents/finnish_deadlift_secrets2.htm
6. www.elitefts.com/documents/100_lbs_to_my_deadlift.htm
7. http://www.elitefts.com/documents/sumo_deadlift.htm

I was once a conventional deadlifter, and I still incorporate conventional training into my cycles, however, the sumo version is much more fun to me. It is a gritty, yet "finese" type of lift. If you have the patience for learning all that you can about it, then go for it. Again, this is my opinion, and like they say, opinions are like Buttholes, everyone has one....:moon:

BigTallOx
12-05-2008, 03:40 PM
I know your a beginner bro, you should REALLY be doing the majority of your pulls CONVENTIONAL, regardless of height, but ESPECIALLY for being a real tall dude.

OK.

Just curious though, why is conventional better for tall people? I think the reason my hips rise too quickly pulling conventional is because I need to get my knees out of the way. Even with my narrow sumo stance, this isn't an issue anymore ( the knees being in the way, I know my hips still rise too quick, but at least with sumo I feel like with practice I *could* correct that ). Also, sumo's going to lessen how far I have to lift the bar ( everybody was so adament that I need to bench as wide as possible, it seems the same should be true for deads. )

How about if I train both?

SGT ROCK
12-05-2008, 05:02 PM
Sounds like your going to do what you want to do bro. Beginners need to do more conventional pulls, its that simple, a base needs to be built up and the conventional builds the back up more. After you do many pulls conventional you can then decide which way to go. Why is conv better for tall people? It all comes down to leverage, show me on great puller your height bro, I cannot name one except the great OD wilson who weighed over 350, but Heisey was a 900 plus puller. I remember reading him stating sumo pulls and tall guys don't mix, that was good enough for me. Give conv a six month try, with SLDL and platform dls mixed in before you think about sumo.

Semper Fi

HP666
12-05-2008, 05:10 PM
Hey Sarge,
Let me ask you a question. Since I started seriously powerlifting I've been DL Sumo, mainly because I'm 6-3 350-360 and my belly is too big for me to get down conventional. Now, if I really try hard to go conventional I can make it down there but I find my technique goes all to hell; like I have to manipulate my feet/legs to get down there and it's not comfortable and I end up almost doing a SLDL. Do you think this is something I should work on or just stick with Sumo? I know that seems like a dumb question because obviously conventional will help me either way I decide to go, what I mean is I'm trying to get this big belly smaller so should I just scrap the conventional until I can reach more comfortably or try and work through the problems now? Thanks.

SGT ROCK
12-05-2008, 05:28 PM
Hey Sarge,
Let me ask you a question. Since I started seriously powerlifting I've been DL Sumo, mainly because I'm 6-3 350-360 and my belly is too big for me to get down conventional. Now, if I really try hard to go conventional I can make it down there but I find my technique goes all to hell; like I have to manipulate my feet/legs to get down there and it's not comfortable and I end up almost doing a SLDL. Do you think this is something I should work on or just stick with Sumo? I know that seems like a dumb question because obviously conventional will help me either way I decide to go, what I mean is I'm trying to get this big belly smaller so should I just scrap the conventional until I can reach more comfortably or try and work through the problems now? Thanks.

With the obstacles that you stated sumo might be the way to do for you. Can you do SLDL effectively? If that is the case I would hammer them as well, and even do only SLDL to get that back ready and in great shape. There is no dumb question my brother, hope this helps. Keep trying to get that conv form down, if your belly is the issue than def lose it. For intance Frank and DT both go well over 350 and are AWESOME conv dlers.

Semper Fi

Semper Fi

BigTallOx
12-05-2008, 06:01 PM
Sounds like your going to do what you want to do bro.

Not necessarily. It's just I really liked how things went last night, so I'm questioning, I don't think that's bad.



the great OD wilson who weighed over 350, but Heisey was a 900 plus puller. I remember reading him stating sumo pulls and tall guys don't mix, that was good enough for me.

I don't mean any disrespect, but that's not good enough for me. Everybody is different, even amoung tall people.



Give conv a six month try, with SLDL and platform dls mixed in before you think about sumo.


OK. I *have* given it 6 months. I started deadlifting back in June, and pulled exclusively conventional until about 2 weeks ago.

Thanks for your help.

ZenMonkey
12-05-2008, 06:50 PM
I dont know much about sumo but thats some strong pulling for sure!