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SGT ROCK
12-05-2008, 06:51 PM
Ok bros, this one surely needs to be discussed. I NEVER thought I would live to see it. There was a recent meet where a lifter could not make it for whatever reason, but did his lift thousands of miles away, and then submitted it for review via the web, was awarded a WR and they are going to mail him a first place trophy, and he traveled a few minutes to do the lift. This goes against the spirit of competing, of comrarderie, of what the sport is about. The lifter is not at fault, I have met him and competed with him a few weeks earlier at worlds and he is a great lifter, but accepting a lift when your not at the venue?

Semper Fi

HP666
12-05-2008, 07:13 PM
Absolutely ridiculous. If you're not at the meet then you shouldn't be allowed to participate, period. Why don't we just cancel every meet to save money, travel expenses, etc. Everyone will have to have a singlet and a Flip Mino to record their lifts to send to the judges. What a load of crap.

Ben Moore
12-05-2008, 07:20 PM
That's crazy! Who was this and where?

Reko
12-05-2008, 07:22 PM
Ridiculous.

Butcher
12-05-2008, 07:28 PM
http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/node/9848
Is this what your talking about? "Cortes used calibrated weights, equipment checks, judging on both ends, and an official weigh-in."

Brian Hopper
12-05-2008, 07:34 PM
im pretty sure thats it!

Sidior
12-05-2008, 07:41 PM
Wow, that is interesting. I can see the benefits because some federations and meets are few and far between but overall I have to agree with Sgt. Rock, that really does kill the spirit of competition.

rctriplefresh5
12-05-2008, 07:52 PM
Ok bros, this one surely needs to be discussed. I NEVER thought I would live to see it. There was a recent meet where a lifter could not make it for whatever reason, but did his lift thousands of miles away, and then submitted it for review via the web, was awarded a WR and they are going to mail him a first place trophy, and he traveled a few minutes to do the lift. This goes against the spirit of competing, of comrarderie, of what the sport is about. The lifter is not at fault, I have met him and competed with him a few weeks earlier at worlds and he is a great lifter, but accepting a lift when your not at the venue?

Semper Fi

thats gay he could have used fake plates.

Lones Green
12-05-2008, 07:52 PM
pretty rediculous to be honest.

Sidior
12-05-2008, 07:57 PM
thats gay he could have used fake plates.

Did you even read the article?

It said there was judging on both ends and calibrated plates. I don't think this is a good idea either but mornonic comments like this are hilarious.

SGT ROCK
12-05-2008, 08:33 PM
Did you even read the article?

It said there was judging on both ends and calibrated plates. I don't think this is a good idea either but mornonic comments like this are hilarious.

yes I knew all of that, but its against the spirit of competition. What about the other lifters who took time off from work and spent good money to travel? I find it ridiculous. Imagine if this happened at a WPO show for instance? For instance, Bolton travels from England, a very long journey to compete, so in a WPO show imagine if he merely sent a video in? See my point?

Semper Fi

Sidior
12-05-2008, 08:49 PM
yes I knew all of that, but its against the spirit of competition. What about the other lifters who took time off from work and spent good money to travel? I find it ridiculous. Imagine if this happened at a WPO show for instance? For instance, Bolton travels from England, a very long journey to compete, so in a WPO show imagine if he merely sent a video in? See my point?

Semper Fi

I posted twice in this thread and in my both my posts agreed with you. In the first I even mentioned you specifically and stated that it does take away from the spirit of competition.

I made those comments to rctriplefresh5 who said the issue was fake plates and that the situation was gay.


Wow, that is interesting. I can see the benefits because some federations and meets are few and far between but overall I have to agree with Sgt. Rock, that really does kill the spirit of competition.


Did you even read the article?

It said there was judging on both ends and calibrated plates. I don't think this is a good idea either but mornonic comments like this are hilarious.

Eric Downey
12-05-2008, 09:44 PM
thats the most bull**** thing ive ever f--king herd of.

SGT ROCK
12-05-2008, 09:52 PM
I posted twice in this thread and in my both my posts agreed with you. In the first I even mentioned you specifically and stated that it does take away from the spirit of competition.

I made those comments to rctriplefresh5 who said the issue was fake plates and that the situation was gay.

My brother I wasn't aiming that at you in a bad way, you asked if we read about the particulars and I was telling you I did. This may be the one thread everyone agrees on. Keep postin!

Semper Fi

Travis Bell
12-05-2008, 09:57 PM
I'd still say its the lifters fault. This is one situation where he can certainly decide not to send in a video even if the federation decided it was OK (although its as equally stupid for them to accept it)

bigbadwolfe
12-05-2008, 10:18 PM
It would give all the internet judges something to finally judge that would make sense for them to judge :)

fpr
12-05-2008, 10:28 PM
I guarantee you they really only agreed to this because the guy is 78.... if this were to be in a younger age category I don't think it would've flown.

still, a 405 deadlift for a 78 year old is damn impressive

RhodeHouse
12-06-2008, 01:27 AM
I think it's awesome.

Buccos1
12-06-2008, 05:48 AM
I hope that this does not turn into a regular practice and dies with the last attempt.

SGT ROCK
12-06-2008, 05:58 AM
No one with respect for the spirit of competition would agree with this method. It needs to be squashed before it is ever an option in other feds.

Semper Fi

Eric Downey
12-06-2008, 07:31 AM
The spirit is one thing, but what about the potential for fraud. Alot of things can be done with some spray paint and Styrofoam. Kinda like wolfe's big brother that benches 900 lbs raw. Whats the assh-oles name. Nasser or some sh-t

Darracq
12-06-2008, 07:46 AM
The spirit is one thing, but what about the potential for fraud. Alot of things can be done with some spray paint and Styrofoam. Kinda like wolfe's big brother that benches 900 lbs raw. Whats the assh-oles name. Nasser or some sh-t

I agree, who really knows if something shady went on, its the stupidest thing i have ever heard.

Ryano
12-06-2008, 08:52 AM
Even without considering any fraud, the lifter is not lifting in a flight with his competitors, with the same equipment, atmosphere, judges, and a million other variables. Granted, at his age, he probably didn't have anyone else in his div/class, but still, it's a farse.

RhodeHouse
12-06-2008, 12:54 PM
This is exactly how I'm going to compete at my next meet. With all the internet judges out there, and now, unfortunately, on this site, I might as well save some money and still get a lift in. Besides, when I hit a big lift, you internet jdges will tell me how much I suck, anyways. I'm looking forward to trying this out.

chris mason
12-06-2008, 02:38 PM
Well, my initial reaction is to agree with Brent. With that said, I know of something similar in the grip strength world. Many of the certifications for the Captain's of Crush grippers have been done remotely. What they do is send an agreed upon, certified person to witness the feat.

Actually, the more I think about it the more I like the idea as a different format. It would not replace traditional meets, but it would be something interesting if handled properly. You could have online meets with people from all over the world...

Ryano
12-06-2008, 02:58 PM
If it is contained within a "Virtual Federation" where everyone is on a level playing field, with their own records, that's O.K. But it just isn't fair to have someone able to compete at home, with lifters who have travelled to a meet and lift under full meet conditions. The "Virtual" lifts shouldn't be able to count for "All Time" records either. It they did, you might as well count gym lifts.

SGT ROCK
12-06-2008, 03:27 PM
Well, my initial reaction is to agree with Brent. With that said, I know of something similar in the grip strength world. Many of the certifications for the Captain's of Crush grippers have been done remotely. What they do is send an agreed upon, certified person to witness the feat.

Actually, the more I think about it the more I like the idea as a different format. It would not replace traditional meets, but it would be something interesting if handled properly. You could have online meets with people from all over the world...

Hey bro I must respectfully disagree. Like someone else stated, what about the sharing of a potentially bad warmup room? Or the EXACT same scale, throw out the calibration, all scales weigh different. No 3 judges are the same, what about those that did travel? Pretty soon people will lift in their garages and send the tapes in for review for a WR. If someone goes to their gym and gets 3 certified refs etc and submits it for a wr if they get a sanction from a federation, its one thing to give them a WR, but another to give them a first place trophy in a show they were never at.

Semper Fi

AJ_H
12-06-2008, 03:31 PM
Well, my initial reaction is to agree with Brent. With that said, I know of something similar in the grip strength world. Many of the certifications for the Captain's of Crush grippers have been done remotely. What they do is send an agreed upon, certified person to witness the feat.

Actually, the more I think about it the more I like the idea as a different format. It would not replace traditional meets, but it would be something interesting if handled properly. You could have online meets with people from all over the world...

I agree - keep the online lifting to online competitions and the live lifting to traditional competitions. This will benefit a lot of people.

huskybear
12-06-2008, 03:42 PM
Personally, if you want an internet lift to count for something then go here: http://virtualmeet.net/

otherwise, in person competition is mandatory for the spirit of the sport...

Just my .02

JasonLift
12-06-2008, 03:46 PM
I don't care one way or another except you said it was for a world record, that should not be done via net for sure.

If he was 78 though I commend him for being that age and showing up all the 20 somethings afraid to do squats because they don't want to hurt their back (or knees or whatever).

KarstenDD
12-06-2008, 08:59 PM
This is the dumbest thing ever. Unless I can do it. Then it would be the best thing ever. (not really)

RhodeHouse
12-06-2008, 11:51 PM
The beauty of powerlifting - a whole bunch of differnt kinds of people can do it. And, now, we can do it on the internet. Like porn. We already have the internet judges on this site, it'll be perfect. I can't wait to get ripped apart by the same guys that said my lifts were good. So you internet judges know, I squat high, but I'll make sure the camera angle is advantageous to me.

KarstenDD
12-06-2008, 11:54 PM
Oh, he was 78. OK. Who cares then. I guess I need to start reading more.

RhodeHouse
12-07-2008, 12:04 AM
Oh, he was 78. OK. Who cares then. I guess I need to start reading more.

I thought that's what I read. I might be wrong, but I doubt it. Love ya big dog. You should love the idea. We could get Rob to call our squat depth. Atleast 2 whites. And 2 whites is deep enough.

fpr
12-07-2008, 12:06 AM
Cortes, who is 78 years of age, captured the M75-79 class with his deadlift. It was also the first official World Record ever recorded remotely. Here is video of the historic lifts:

There ya go.

Hazerboy
12-07-2008, 02:01 PM
Yeah it sets a bad precedent, but the guy was 78. Hopefully its a one time thing. Heck, was there even anyone else in his age class?


With that said, I know of something similar in the grip strength world. Many of the certifications for the Captain's of Crush grippers have been done remotely. What they do is send an agreed upon, certified person to witness the feat.


A little bit different with grip strength certification, even red nail or higher bending certification. They're not competing against each other, or winning anything other than their name on a list or card that says they closed a gripper.Gripping is also even more spread out than powerlifting--I'm sure if they could they would throw more grip contests, but I'm pretty sure the only reason the grip "culture" exists is because of the internet. just not enough interest.

The idea is enticing, but I don't think it should ever be taken seriously.

RhodeHouse
12-07-2008, 09:22 PM
I'll be trying this internet thing in the near future.

Brad08
12-08-2008, 06:07 AM
I internet squatted 760 last night but my camera crapped out as I started the descent. You can clearly see I had it under control though. Two whites?

RhodeHouse
12-08-2008, 10:47 AM
I internet squatted 760 last night but my camera crapped out as I started the descent. You can clearly see I had it under control though. Two whites?

2 whites, bro. Nice lift. The trophy is in the mail. Which place do you want?

ehubbard
12-08-2008, 12:09 PM
2 whites, bro. Nice lift. The trophy is in the mail. Which place do you want?

Clearly he would get Best Lifter.

LionLord
12-08-2008, 12:14 PM
The beauty of powerlifting - a whole bunch of differnt kinds of people can do it. And, now, we can do it on the internet. Like porn. We already have the internet judges on this site, it'll be perfect. I can't wait to get ripped apart by the same guys that said my lifts were good. So you internet judges know, I squat high, but I'll make sure the camera angle is advantageous to me.

Hahahah. Hilarious.

Brad08
12-08-2008, 12:28 PM
Clearly he would get Best Lifter.

Thanks, guys. I put a lot of hard work and effort into it.

thewicked
12-08-2008, 12:29 PM
wow..i'm honestly at a loss for words

ehubbard
12-08-2008, 12:37 PM
Thanks, guys. I put a lot of hard work and effort into it.

Let us know when you are ready to take your first bench attempt. Take your tiime. We have plenty of it to kill here on the Internet. You can ask Rhodes for the first Internet Bench Handoff.

Reko
12-08-2008, 01:20 PM
You can ask Rhodes for the first Internet Bench Handoff.

LMAO!!

Hazerboy
12-08-2008, 01:48 PM
Let us know when you are ready to take your first bench attempt. Take your tiime. We have plenty of it to kill here on the Internet. You can ask Rhodes for the first Internet Bench Handoff.

I think I'll cut internet weight to 123 for the next comp. 80 lbs shouldn't be hard to loose-- just gotta find the right scale!

RhodeHouse
12-08-2008, 09:50 PM
Let us know when you are ready to take your first bench attempt. Take your tiime. We have plenty of it to kill here on the Internet. You can ask Rhodes for the first Internet Bench Handoff.

The RhodeMaster 5000 will be ready when you are. Wake me up.

Big o Boy
12-08-2008, 11:53 PM
The last 10 posts or so, I can't stop laughing. Pretty crazy stuff if ya ask me.

Matthew White
12-10-2008, 03:06 PM
WTF this is one of the many reasons I will tack on of why I will never go back to powerlifting and stay in strongman. That, is plainly stupid. Even more so that he was given a WR!!! It would be nice if there was a way to vote out the people in charge of powerlifting federations and vote in new members that would do away with such bull and bring the sport back to the image it once was! Friggin internet lifting!!! What next, video messaging your lifts in!!!

RhodeHouse
12-10-2008, 09:39 PM
WTF this is one of the many reasons I will tack on of why I will never go back to powerlifting and stay in strongman. That, is plainly stupid. Even more so that he was given a WR!!! It would be nice if there was a way to vote out the people in charge of powerlifting federations and vote in new members that would do away with such bull and bring the sport back to the image it once was! Friggin internet lifting!!! What next, video messaging your lifts in!!!

Powerlifters become strongmen because they're weak in the first place. Don't bash powerlifters because you couldn't get strong enough to be good.

ehubbard
12-11-2008, 10:56 AM
WTF this is one of the many reasons I will tack on of why I will never go back to powerlifting and stay in strongman. That, is plainly stupid. Even more so that he was given a WR!!! It would be nice if there was a way to vote out the people in charge of powerlifting federations and vote in new members that would do away with such bull and bring the sport back to the image it once was! Friggin internet lifting!!! What next, video messaging your lifts in!!!

We would be amenable to accepting video lifts in strongman. Please submit your log press, atlas stone, farmers walk, and tire flip / yoke medley video along to us. The powerlifting community has enough internet judges and we would be happy to pass along some of our best judges to Strongman.

SGT ROCK
12-11-2008, 03:48 PM
Hey guys please keep on topic, your thoughts and views on the lifts, the jokes are funny....but keep it on point now.

Semper Fi

Dingus
12-11-2008, 09:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GcVnhNjWV0

SGT ROCK
12-11-2008, 09:07 PM
This is perhaps the first thread where almost EVERYONE feels the same way. I don't think it will take off in any respected fed.

Semper Fi

RhodeHouse
12-11-2008, 09:17 PM
I don't feel that way. I'm looking forward to exploring the idea. I think it's great.