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Chris Rodgers
01-14-2009, 03:52 PM
Last night I squatted 600 in briefs/belt/knee sleeves which was a PR. Afterwards I decided to pull heavy again, for some odd reason. Last week I hit 535x2 real strong. This week I put 550 on and wanted to hit a strong single for a PR. I felt like I wasn't fully locked as I was fighting through the top(I often have issues with the last 1-2" on my max pulls). I know you only have one angle and it's a video, but let me know what you think.

Any tips on why my lockout sucks and what I can do about would be appreciated.

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SGT ROCK
01-14-2009, 04:30 PM
Hard to tell with one angle only. Did not looked fully locked out. Try and loosen the straps on the suit a little bit. Do your raw dls stop in the same spot? If possible, bring your grip IN just a little bit. Turn your toes out MORE. This should help.

Semper Fi

BFGUITAR
01-14-2009, 04:33 PM
It looked like you locked, I saw your body shift position in the way it would look like when a person locks out. I can't imagine what it feels like to hold that much, great job man.

Brian Hopper
01-14-2009, 04:50 PM
it looked locked out to me.

Detard
01-14-2009, 05:03 PM
Nice pull chris.

Since you say your having trouble with your lockout, why not cycle some rack pulls in. From above the knee?

lenny spero
01-14-2009, 05:06 PM
that was locked...cycle in the pulls off blocks to get extra volume on your top end...you smoked that joker off the floor.

BigTallOx
01-14-2009, 06:24 PM
It looked locked out to me.

Chris Rodgers
01-14-2009, 06:58 PM
Hard to tell with one angle only. Did not looked fully locked out. Try and loosen the straps on the suit a little bit. Do your raw dls stop in the same spot? If possible, bring your grip IN just a little bit. Turn your toes out MORE. This should help.

Semper Fi


I actually do get stuck in the same area raw as well. I feel like I am good for so much more off the floor. I just can't seem to figure out EXACTLY what is wrong with me finishing the heavy pulls. We have tried to figure out if it is an upper back weakness, glute weakness, timing problem, etc. I actually moved my grip out a few months back and my lockout was feeling much better. It seemed if I was too narrow it was harder to get my shoulders back.

evilxxx
01-14-2009, 07:05 PM
Your head position is what makes it look not fully locked...but that was a white light from the front.

vdizenzo
01-14-2009, 07:38 PM
I see it as 2 to 1 with the judges and it could have gone either way depending on their mood. I am no deadlift specialist but I do have some advice. Get down and grab the bar and lift. Too much time to think in your approach. JMHO. Very strong though.

ZenMonkey
01-14-2009, 07:42 PM
It looked locked to me. Sick speed off the floor man!

chris mason
01-14-2009, 07:51 PM
I would give you the lift. Like Vincent said, it would just depend on the mood of the judges.

Chris Rodgers
01-14-2009, 08:22 PM
The head position thing is true. It's a bad habit to look down as you lockout a pull.

I like what you said too Vin. I do take waaaaay to long to grab the bar and go. I need to just grab the damn thing and pull!

starfox
01-14-2009, 08:31 PM
Definitely looks locked out to me.

Erik 23
01-14-2009, 10:25 PM
Man i think you were locked you got some nice speed off the floor my friend.

Hazerboy
01-14-2009, 10:26 PM
Looked locked out to me. If you hadn't squatted heavy right before you probably would have been perfect.

rager2500
01-15-2009, 01:35 AM
Try not waiting so long to pull...you are almost thinking yourself out of the lift. I do the same damn thing. Reverse band pulls helps your lockout tremendously as I feel rack pulls put you in an advantageous position to pull some sick weight, reverse bands give you the same hard lock out work that you need without putting you out of position.

Chalky Palms
01-15-2009, 01:45 AM
damn you chalk the hell outta your thighs lol. The pull looked good to me, maybe a little extra extenstion on the top would have ensured a legit pull but still it looked clean. The only thing I can say is just focus on thrusting those hips forward at the end, but yet again, what do I know.

SGT ROCK
01-15-2009, 03:16 AM
Your concern at this point shouldnt be if it is locked out, most feel it was, but rather why you slow down so much at the top, which is what you seem most concerned with, so good on you for that. As Vin stated, quit thinking, pull the dag gone thing. Also try the toes out. Don't overanalyze either, everyone has a sticking point. Although it seems like your bar speed is great, always remember, if you have MORE bar speed it WILL carry to THROUGH the top.

Semper Fi

brihead301
01-15-2009, 06:44 AM
Looks like you could've pulled 600 with how easy that weight came up. And it looked locked out to me, but I'm not exactly sure what a correctly locked out deadlift vs. a non-locked out deadlift looks like in powerlifting.

Notorious
01-15-2009, 07:02 AM
I agree with the toes. I think it's easier to push your hips through and use your glutes if they are out a little.

lynnlynn7
01-15-2009, 07:51 AM
The head position thing is true. It's a bad habit to look down as you lockout a pull.

I like what you said too Vin. I do take waaaaay to long to grab the bar and go. I need to just grab the damn thing and pull!

Indeed. Do not dick around with the bar. Head up, chest out, squeeze those butt cheeks.

ACaslow
01-15-2009, 08:23 AM
looked good... definitely locked at the top, your knees looked maybe a bit bent... if anything
Your form was good so certainly that's not an issue...

Someone mentioned toes out a bit, this will help release the hips easier. Try not wearing a t-shirt so the suit straps don't bind up forward at the top. Your shoulders have to be able to release backwards and sometimes the suit can hold you forward if the straps are tight and not allowing your shoulders to slide back under them. I use an Erector shirt for this very thing... Some just wet their shoulders and lats so there is no sticking points at the top without a shirt on. that's only one idea though....

Other than that, it looked strong... some said block pulls and you gotta hit those up, just like any other lift, train all phases of it. Maybe 1-2" below the knee cap and perform reps, not singles. Learn to grind... and grind hard.. doubles and triples are awesome for that.

Again, just another idea and input.

Hope it helps... good luck

ehubbard
01-15-2009, 10:14 AM
Looked good to me from the front. They key to a good lockout is a good mohamk.

Darracq
01-15-2009, 11:09 AM
As fast as that started i though you were going to do it 5 times, Have you tried bands on deadlift?

Lewy23
01-15-2009, 11:56 AM
maybe try using some chains...heavier at the top. should help with lockouts when the chains are off.

Lewy

HP666
01-15-2009, 02:16 PM
As fast as that started i though you were going to do it 5 times, Have you tried bands on deadlift?

I agree with the bands idea.

evilxxx
01-15-2009, 02:26 PM
I see it as 2 to 1 with the judges and it could have gone either way depending on their mood. I am no deadlift specialist but I do have some advice. Get down and grab the bar and lift. Too much time to think in your approach. JMHO. Very strong though.
Now that you mention that...yeah...I suck at my lifts when I think about it too much...LOL I think im taking that advise too

chris mason
01-15-2009, 08:51 PM
Chris, I a have seen videos of you with chains, but do you ever work up to a 1RM with heavy bands? I think that will definitely help your lockout issue.

Chris Rodgers
01-16-2009, 03:45 PM
Thanks everyone for all the input.

I am definitely going to try and turn my feet out a bit and see if I notice a difference. I also think I should probably start doing a majority of my pulls with bands and/or chains. I have been fast/strong off the bottom for a long time now, I really need to focus muy efforts towards the top.

I have pulled 405 with quad minis on the jump stretch platform in just a belt. I'm actually pretty good with bands and chain stuff because of my speed. I think like Al mentioned I am just going to have to get some good volume in on the top end where I can learn to grind through it better.

Thanks again everyone.

Chris Rodgers
01-17-2009, 05:11 PM
Hard to tell with one angle only. Did not looked fully locked out. Try and loosen the straps on the suit a little bit. Do your raw dls stop in the same spot? If possible, bring your grip IN just a little bit. Turn your toes out MORE. This should help.

Semper Fi


Hey SGT ROCK,

I did high rack pulls today with my toes turned out a few more inches per side and they felt real good. I know rack pulls aren't the best guage, but my hips definitely felt like they could slide through better. I worked up triples to 635x3 and then finished off with 675x1 and 505x12. I will definitely try the toes out the next full range workout I do. Thanks man!

abbcccxyyzzz
10-25-2009, 01:32 PM
Try adjusting your feet either a little bit more in (allows you to get your ass higher and use stronger back + hamstrings) or a little bit more out (allows you to get your butt deeper). Or you can just point your toes outwards more so your hips can come through.