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Footballguy
01-14-2009, 07:36 PM
Its funny, because you hear this used all of the time. Im assuming its just calories without any type of nutritional value, aka no fats, protiens, but what affect do empty calories such as alcohol have on someone who is cutting. I personally am trying to cut.. im on a pretty vigorous HIIT cardio training routine right now, and doing fullbody 3 times a week. Im also on a pretty strict diet as well, while taking RESULTS and Hydroxycut Hardcore but i have one weakness..... ALCOHOL! Im in my last semester at PSU and drink PLENTY. So of course i had the misconception that drinking liquor is less harmful (caloric) then beer. But apparently a shot has as many calories as a beer? Ideally i would stop drinking, but its just not possible due to the peer pressure! Anyway when im at the bar mixed drinks or beers? And also are those calories any less harmful then other calories? Easier to burn of etc...

Reko
01-14-2009, 07:55 PM
Is neither an option?

collin44
01-14-2009, 07:58 PM
They are both empty calories but there are plenty of people on both sides of this debate. Some say calories are calories and some say alcohol calories are metabolized differently and alcohol actually increases metabolism. Either way, you will probably eat ****ty while drinking which will increase calories, fat, carbs, etc. It's your last semester, just work hard and play hard and you will be fine. Focus on your diet after your graduate and "real life" starts.

Footballguy
01-14-2009, 08:04 PM
haha o btw the Police Academy starts in July... sooo im gonna have to keep up with it.. and yes bad eating usaully comes with the consumption aka COLLEGE PIZZA, but ive been suprisingly good about it latly....But i think i agree with the increase in metablism. Unlike my roomies... after a HARD night of drinking I will actually wake up at 8 am naturally with my heart going a mile a minute... i read somewehre it was the effects of the alcohol wearing off....

Reko
01-14-2009, 08:05 PM
Why is neither not an option?

collin44
01-14-2009, 08:10 PM
Why is neither not an option?

Because he is going to drink one or the other, a better question is why not both?!

Tutu_67
01-14-2009, 08:11 PM
Who cares if you wanna drink then drink and have a good time. You have all your life still to get healthy and crap. Have fun while your young lol.

Footballguy
01-14-2009, 08:11 PM
see now as a college it usaully is whatever is on speacial!

Reko
01-14-2009, 08:12 PM
If you are consuming lots of acoholic beverages, you are NOT on a strict diet, no matter what supplements you take.

Half assed efforts will lead to half assed results. Figure out what you really want to do.

Masako
01-14-2009, 09:01 PM
I'm sure there are plenty of huge strong bodybuilders who drink. I think as long as a person isn't getting annihilated every few days, having a few beer now and then is fine. http://photosnag.com/img/1927/y08m1110mhmd/2.gif

KarstenDD
01-14-2009, 09:01 PM
If you are consuming lots of acoholic beverages, you are NOT on a strict diet, no matter what supplements you take.

Half assed efforts will lead to half assed results. Figure out what you really want to do.

This.

HP666
01-14-2009, 09:25 PM
I'm sure there are plenty of huge strong bodybuilders who drink. I think as long as a person isn't getting annihilated every few days, having a few beer now and then is fine. http://photosnag.com/img/1927/y08m1110mhmd/2.gif

I doubt it, not good ones at least. Do you have any idea the kind of diet and discipline it takes to be a "huge strong bodybuilder"??

Unreal
01-15-2009, 07:55 AM
Look up the caloric content of the beer and shots and make a decision. Also try to limit yourself. 2-3 drinks once a week won't kill you. I avoid it completely except for rare occasions because 1 drunk night pretty much kills a whole week of training for me.

Pimpstick
01-15-2009, 08:23 AM
The problem with heavy alcohol consumption isn't just the empty calories; in fact, the calories in alcohol probably aren't even half as bad as the other negatives.

1) If you are trying to cut, you will fail if you're drinking all the time. While it is possible to sustain a caloric deficit and drink heavy, it is virtually impossible to get in all your essential macros while drinking heavy and maintaining a deficit. This means that you can lose weight, but you are almost assured to lose a good chunk of muscle in the process.
2) Your workouts are going to suck (If you even make it to the gym). I'm lucky in the I don't typically get heavy hangovers, but I can still feel the effects of a heavy drinking night in the gym. You aren't suddenly going to lose 50% of your max, but you will not be at 100%.
3) Munchies. This wouldn't be so bad if when you were wasted you ate cottage cheese, or baked chicken or something, but we all know what you college kids eat on a binge.
4) Poor quality sleep. You grow outside of the gym, while sleeping in particular. Drinking disrupts your sleep patterns, thus inhibiting your growth.
5) Empty calories. This is where the 100 or so calories per drink makes it on my list.

I just graduated college this past August, and in the past four months I've made far superior gains to when I was living a college lifestyle. Much of this was from drinking too much. Take it from me, if you want to optimize your training, you can't drink like a college student. A few beers a week will have no effect, but that's not what this thread is about.

That being said, it's your last semester. Have a good time. I'm a public accountant now and spend all my time behind a desk; you have no idea how much I wish I could go back and party and be a moron. So enjoy yourself, be safe, and for god sakes don't throw your education away on law enforcement.

Holto
01-15-2009, 10:14 AM
I love the logic that you'll get half assed results cutting and drinking but you can bulk on eating McDonald's every day.

I've cut eating strictly organic without a drop of alcohol. I've cut eating really well with some alcohol. I've cut eating fairly well with some raging drunk weekends. Strangely my caloric intake was the only factor in my results.

That said...vodka+club+a hint of mix is extremely low cal. So long as you can re-hydrate by the time you hit the gym, you're fine.

Pimpstick
01-15-2009, 12:40 PM
I love the logic that you'll get half assed results cutting and drinking but you can bulk on eating McDonald's every day.



It is you my friend that has made a huge leap in logic. McD's provides a lot of calories, thus is good for a bulk. Alcohol has 7 cals/gram, which is detrimental to a cut.

Plus McDonald's doesn't give you a hangover. Well, maybe the mid-afternoon full belly hangover, but that's different.

Footballguy
01-15-2009, 12:45 PM
and for god sakes don't throw your education away on law enforcement.

Although this has nothing to do with the thread at please go ahead and explain your logic behind this.. i could use a good laugh..Because obviously i can see why id want to goto school.... and use my education to sit in a cubicle counting the minutes hoping the day or life for that matter would just end.

Pimpstick
01-15-2009, 01:10 PM
Certainly.

1) I have an office, not a cube.
2) I make a lot more money than you will in law enforcement.
3) Unless you want to be a street cop, basically any other job in law enforcement requires a lot of office time.
4) I'm an auditor and spend a lot of time traveling.
5) I don't know what your major is, but I'm guessing psych or socio... if so, maybe law enforcement is your best option. But that would be your own fault.

Footballguy
01-15-2009, 01:23 PM
1. I have no intrest sitting in an office dealing with the same thing on a daily basis.
2. I will be starting my academy at $48,500 not including overtime i will be recieving on the job. My overtime includes time and a half as well as 3 free hrs for every time i goto court (which is usaully about 15 minutes of my time) Thats just as a beat cop. If i move through the ranks, my Sergant makes $80,000 a year not including overtime, and i have personally seen him kick some ass on the street.
3. Most federal and state cops do have office time, as well as going out into the field for investigation.
4. I have applied to CIA,Secret Service, DEA, FBI... all of which could have alot of travel time involved.. not to mention the average DEA agent after 12 years is topping 100 k plus
5. My major is Crime, Law, and justice. I am studying everything that lawyers are studying, the only diffrence between myself and them is law school, which for me will be Grad school after a few years of savings.
6. I have the option to retire when I am 45 years old with 80% of my pay, and insurance for the rest of my life. Then while im still receiving my messily 80% i can start an entire new career, maybe as a District Attorney, or a judge then we can talk about who is making more money.

Respect the people that are out there risking their lives everyday to protect you. For all you know I will stop a terrorist from flying a jet into your "Office" and you didnt even know it was happening. I dont know whether you got busted with weed once or think its not fair you got a speeding ticket, but dont disrespect the entire Law enforcment Community. If i wanted to make millions i wouldnt have choosen this proffesion, but i have the satisfaction every day knowing that i am helping my family to live in a safer country. Or I am making a differnce in someones life when they felt that no one cared. But ur right I am jelous of ur TI-82 calculator man.

brians34
01-15-2009, 01:46 PM
I'm in law enforcement, and always glad to see more people coming in. The people that tell you not to waste your education with law enforcement just see the negatives behind it. By the way, good starting salary for an academy. I'd drop the alcohol. Nothing good comes from it, and you'll realize that after you've worked a year or so

Pimpstick
01-15-2009, 01:51 PM
You asked me to explain my logic for a good laugh; I see that you are not laughing. Based on your counterargument, maybe being a street cop is where you belong.

Sorry to crap on your hopes and dreams, but the bulk of the FBI and CIA are made up of computer science specialists, lawyers, and ACCOUNTANTS. Street cops don't really make the grade.

Dude, you can't possibly study everything lawyers study. Lawyers go to law school to become lawyers. You don't learn how to be a lawyer in undergrad.

I see that my argument about getting paid more really struck a nerve. I never said you were going to be poorly compensated; I simply said you will make less.

Never got busted with pot. Never really got caught doing anything.

You're right though, I have little respect for the average street cop. That's why I avoid all contact with them. I have full faith in our legal system, but the enforcement mechanism (street cops) is full of idiots. Yes, I'm generalizing.

This thread needs to be moved if I'm going to continue this.

Footballguy
01-15-2009, 01:58 PM
Dont bother I have had enough of your ignorance.

HP666
01-15-2009, 02:22 PM
Dont bother I have had enough of your ignorance.

Me too, what a ****ing moron. Seriously, a ****ing ignorant moron.

K.Huget
01-15-2009, 04:12 PM
Anybody in here taking engineering? If so and you don't drink please let me know how you do it. I wait for the weekend all week and when it finally comes I get absolutely pinned EVERY weekend.

That being said it fits into my routine perfectly because saturday and sunday are rest days for my workouts anyways. On tuesday nights we sometimes hit up this one club that is always packed and get wrecked, but wednsday is a rest day too haha.

I don't really regret any of this, i need a release from engineering and this just happens to be how i do it. I'm just making memories i guess.

Anyways, I think if you like to party then do it man. When you are fifty years old you will look back on life and remember those times you DID go out and have fun, not the times you stayed home.

Unreal
01-15-2009, 05:25 PM
I got a BSEE and never drank in college.

xcornontherobx
01-15-2009, 10:31 PM
Anyways, I think if you like to party then do it man. When you are fifty years old you will look back on life and remember those times you DID go out and have fun, not the times you stayed home.

Why do you have to drink to go out? Seems someone here has a problem :alcoholic:

K.Huget
01-16-2009, 07:21 AM
Why do you have to drink to go out? Seems someone here has a problem :alcoholic:

A problem? Nah i'm pretty sure a problem is getting smashed EVERY single day. You don't drink much or at all and thats cool with me it's just different lifestyles man.

Unreal
01-16-2009, 08:38 AM
All the people I saw getting smashed all the time in college are now out in the real world making 1/3 of what I do living in ****ty little apartments while I enjoy my new car, new motorcycles, nice big house. When I am 50 I think I will have plenty more to look back on then all the people I know that got wasted every weekend.

Holto
01-16-2009, 10:03 AM
It is you my friend that has made a huge leap in logic. McD's provides a lot of calories, thus is good for a bulk. Alcohol has 7 cals/gram, which is detrimental to a cut.

Plus McDonald's doesn't give you a hangover. Well, maybe the mid-afternoon full belly hangover, but that's different.

Please explain this.

Fat has 9 cals/gram, is it even more detrimental?

collin44
01-16-2009, 10:13 AM
All the people I saw getting smashed all the time in college are now out in the real world making 1/3 of what I do living in ****ty little apartments while I enjoy my new car, new motorcycles, nice big house. When I am 50 I think I will have plenty more to look back on then all the people I know that got wasted every weekend.

Going out and partying has NO correlation to income. My buddies and I went out 3-5 nights a week in college, worked nearly full-time, rarely attended class, and most of us still graduated with honors. No need to start throwing around numbers, but I'd be willing to bet we all make more than the average person in your field 2-4 years out of college. Again, this is not a statement against your job or your income, I think its great when young guys like ourselves can succeed not only at our age, but in this economy.

AKMass
01-16-2009, 10:40 AM
Going out and partying has NO correlation to income. My buddies and I went out 3-5 nights a week in college, worked nearly full-time, rarely attended class, and most of us still graduated with honors. No need to start throwing around numbers, but I'd be willing to bet we all make more than the average person in your field 2-4 years out of college. Again, this is not a statement against your job or your income, I think its great when young guys like ourselves can succeed not only at our age, but in this economy.

It's possible you're right, though I doubt it. All you have here is anecdotal evidence.

collin44
01-16-2009, 11:00 AM
It's possible you're right, though I doubt it. All you have here is anecdotal evidence.

And his original statement was not supported by anecdotal evidence? That is the point I am trying to make.

Pimpstick
01-16-2009, 11:22 AM
Please explain this.

Fat has 9 cals/gram, is it even more detrimental?

Ok.

If you eat too much fat, then I suppose it is more detrimental. However, unlike alcohol, fat is a necessary macro. Since no stats are posted, I'll assume the OP is 200 lbs, thus needing a minimum of 800 cals from protein and 900 cals from fat per day. He stated he takes results, which is another 320 cals per day. We are already at 2020 cals/day. That doesn't leave too much room to play with when it comes to drinking all the time, and losing weight.

Holto, I don't know what point your trying to make, that's it's cool to go out and get wasted 3-4 nights a week and you can still cut effectively? All I said in my first response was that heavy drinking was counterproductive to an effective cut and you seem to not agree with that logic. Judging from your other posts, you are very informed and have a lot of experience, so can you please explain?

Unreal
01-16-2009, 11:50 AM
I was just trying to make the point that just because someone doesnt drink through college doesnt mean they won't have good times to look back upon. My good times are going to be different and I wouldn't be working where I am now or making what I do if I spent my college years drinking.

collin44
01-16-2009, 12:10 PM
I was just trying to make the point that just because someone doesnt drink through college doesnt mean they won't have good times to look back upon.

I agree with that point completely

Holto
01-16-2009, 12:24 PM
Ok.

If you eat too much fat, then I suppose it is more detrimental. However, unlike alcohol, fat is a necessary macro. Since no stats are posted, I'll assume the OP is 200 lbs, thus needing a minimum of 800 cals from protein and 900 cals from fat per day. He stated he takes results, which is another 320 cals per day. We are already at 2020 cals/day. That doesn't leave too much room to play with when it comes to drinking all the time, and losing weight.

Holto, I don't know what point your trying to make, that's it's cool to go out and get wasted 3-4 nights a week and you can still cut effectively? All I said in my first response was that heavy drinking was counterproductive to an effective cut and you seem to not agree with that logic. Judging from your other posts, you are very informed and have a lot of experience, so can you please explain?

Well thanks for clarifying. It's clear you understand how your body works.

What I'm getting at is that there are many that believe that you can eat garbage and bulk just fine, because the degree to which your food promotes health will not impact your goals. Yet somehow the deleterious health effects of alcohol will impact your cutting efforts. Seeemed like a double standard.

I know I went about 7 years and only drank like 5 times. Starting last winter I was drinking nearly every friday and sat and it didn't hamper my cut whatsoever. I certainly would never recommend drinking more than 1-2 nights per week, but the perception that you can't drink at all is flawed.

Progress
01-16-2009, 12:27 PM
Word of advice: If you really are considering law school, I wouldn't suggest waiting until you're 40 and changing careers. I know a lot of classmates that are getting screwed over based on what appears to be blatant age-discrimination. Also, if you plan on going FLEO, may as well get the education over with now. That way you get to ride out the economy (assuming things will get better in three years) and come out being much more marketable to hiring staff.

boozer52
01-16-2009, 12:57 PM
Certainly.

1) I have an office, not a cube.
2) I make a lot more money than you will in law enforcement.
3) Unless you want to be a street cop, basically any other job in law enforcement requires a lot of office time.
4) I'm an auditor and spend a lot of time traveling.
5) I don't know what your major is, but I'm guessing psych or socio... if so, maybe law enforcement is your best option. But that would be your own fault.

Pimp, I spent the first 7 years of my career at the largest public accounting firm in the world until I made senior manager. At that point I realized that sitting at a desk auditing financial statements was not as enjoyable as it used to be with the current independence rules. After a year with the LAPD I am now in the FBI. FYI - I am making as much here as I was at Deloitte.

I think that college is one of the best things for LEO's. It opens thier horizons, helps with maturity and outlook on life and leaves many options to excel in the industry.

boozer52
01-16-2009, 01:02 PM
haha o btw the Police Academy starts in July...

No worries about the academy. Just run 3-5 times a week. The hardest thing about the academy is the running. You coule lose some muscle and be fine in the academy as it is based mostly on running and some bodyweight exercises (push-ups and pull-ups). When I went, I was instructed to try to lose some muscle because I was too muscular. Once you get through the academy then you can start a bulking phase and get back to where you were before. Enjoy your last semester of school, you will never have another time like it.

Footballguy
01-16-2009, 01:29 PM
No worries about the academy. Just run 3-5 times a week. The hardest thing about the academy is the running. You coule lose some muscle and be fine in the academy as it is based mostly on running and some bodyweight exercises (push-ups and pull-ups).

Ya i was lucky enough to get a academy experience which scared me straight! I went to a LE career fair through PENN STATE and i meant with a department who hires on seasonal officers. I took it as being just a plain old internship until I was told we would have full arrest powers and carry a .357. Anyway i had to goto a "abbreviated academy"

We were forbidden to drink for this entire month. If we did we were told that we would suffer the consequences becuase they said they have people everywhere watching us.

This was waking up at 730 ever morning and leaving anywhere from 2030-2200 ever day 6 days a week. This by far was the best cutting sesh i have ever had. This lasted 4 weeks. It was pure exhaustion. Before this i was running 5 miles 3 times a week and lifting on a 3 day split. After this i couldnt run 5 miles anymore, but because i was waking up at 7am eating breakfast(which was small because i knew id be puking it up that morning otherwise), then we would get a 1 hr lunch (which was usaully a half hour becuase we were afraid to be late), and then i would go home and eat myself out of house and home. I went from weighing 205 to 190 in that 4 weeks, and throughout the summer i worked 4- 10 + hour shifts where i would have to walk a beat because i was a first year. Unfortualy this was a tourist town so i ate crap on shift, but i was waking about 4 blocks back and fourth on patrol, and still couldnt gain weight!

Unfortuantly my drinking/eating habbits havent changed since summer (until recently) and lets just say i am at 215 now (but no stretch marks?). So now im all messsed up i have no clue how my body works! So im just trying to get back to normal now, and im not sure if i should go back to running 5 miles a day or if i should continue what im doing. Maybe you guys will have some input.

Sunday, tues, thurs, sat (somtimes)- HIIT Cardio...
1 mile jog on treadmill (8 miles an hr)
10 minutes 1:15 (3 mph) 45 secs (11.00mph)
10 min interval stair master
10 min bike
10 min olyptical
Mon, Weds, Fri - Full body workout

And as many pushups as i can in between. (just to prepare myself because it was HELL this summer (750 in one day once!))

EATING; I do not have a particular fat/cal breakdown. When i go shopping i usaully buy Chicken breasts, Porkchops, Wheat pasta (sauce), deli meats, Wheat bread, Potatos, Green peppers and onions, I cant believe its not butter, rice,turkey bacon, turkey burgers, salad, and eggs
Thats about all i eat every day, but alot of it.

So let the critisim begin!!

Pimpstick
01-16-2009, 02:01 PM
[QUOTE=boozer52;2073858] Pimp, I spent the first 7 years of my career at Deloitte./QUOTE]

KPMG here.

Footballguy
01-17-2009, 10:19 PM
how is the food first of all... and how bout the cardio... too much?