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01-21-2009, 07:52 AM
I think I'm built to deadlift honestly. I mean, my deadlift isn't anything amazing, but I haven't yet tried a weight that I haven't been able to successfully pull.

It all started out when I was just cruising along adding 5 lbs./week for a set of 5. One day, I was suppossed to be on 390 lbs., but I decided that I wanted to test out the big 4 wheels (and that's 15 lbs. heavier then I was scheduled to do). Not only did I do it once, but I banged out 4 EASY reps!!!!

Since then I've just been working with at least 405 everytime I deadlift, and it's pretty easy.

So my question is....Should I just go for the big 5 wheels??? My current best is 415 x 2. I think I may be able to get 495 though, but I just don't want to hurt myself by taking that big of a jump.

Should I go for it, yay or nay?

Reko
01-21-2009, 07:54 AM
That sounds like a terrible idea.
415x2 =/= 495

ELmx479
01-21-2009, 07:59 AM
Personally I would try 455 first (4 wheels and a 25) Once you get so heavy jumps that big might feel like a ton.

01-21-2009, 08:01 AM
Lol, ya I know 415 x 2 doesn't equal 495, but I think I'm capable of at least 450....

Maybe you're right ELmx, give 455 a shot first...

I really want those 5 plates though

01-21-2009, 08:03 AM
How is this difficult? Do singles until you miss a weight. Maybe that will be 495. Maybe not. It's a self-regulating kinda thing.

Fuzzy
01-21-2009, 08:05 AM
I say you shouldn't have skipped the weight at all and just kept the steady climb.

AJL11
01-21-2009, 08:33 AM
When you start out the question with "Would it be stupid of me to try this"

The answer will most always be YES.

01-21-2009, 08:35 AM
F*** it, I'm going for 6 plates then, lol.

Nah, I liked Brad's idea, just keep trying singles until I miss. Thanks.

Guido
01-21-2009, 08:37 AM
Try this:

http://www.exrx.net/Calculators/OneRepMax.html

It's not perfect but should at least give you an idea of what your true max is. No way are you close to 495. Maybe 430-435.

Travis Bell
01-21-2009, 09:00 AM
Why ruin a good thing? Part of this sport is being patient. I could probably squeeze out a 785-800lb bench but that'd pretty much burn up all my reserves for progress.

I've seen a lot of guys go balls out 100% and then every PR after that is a real struggle.

Take your time, make consistent steady gains. In the long run it'll pay off much more.

01-21-2009, 09:13 AM
I hear ya Travis. Personally, I like increasing the weights for my 5RM's, that way I know I'm making solid progress. I just want to see if I can do 495, which I honestly think I can.

The 415 x 2 last week was done after heavy squatting and heavy OH pressing. I could have gotten more reps too, but I didn't want to overdo it.

I honestly think I have 495 in me though, because 415 is pretty damn easy even when I'm tired. Here's a video of me doing 410 x 3 (and this was after maxing out on squats and bench):

drew
01-21-2009, 09:51 AM
There's a fine line between balls and stupid. You can have balls and still be smart about it. Going for 80lb PRs would be classified as stupid.

BigTallOx
01-21-2009, 10:00 AM
...Should I just go for the big 5 wheels??? My current best is 415 x 2.

No, try 455 and see how that goes.

01-21-2009, 10:08 AM
Ok, you guys convinced me. I will try 455 at most.

drew
01-21-2009, 10:09 AM
Ok, you guys convinced me. I will try 455 at most.

Dude, but if 455 goes up like nothing, add some weight.

01-21-2009, 10:13 AM
^^^Of course!

I'm sick right now, so I'll have to wait till next week to finally test to see what my 1RM is.

Travis Bell
01-21-2009, 10:17 AM
Yeah, testing your max is fine, but don't do it all the time and I have always found it helpful to leave a little in the tank. That way when it comes to meet day I can draw on that last little bit

The last 2 meets I've done I hit 70lb and 40lb PRs respectively and never touched my 3rd attempts prior to that day (meaning I never tried to hit them in the gym)

Reko
01-21-2009, 10:25 AM
Yeah, testing your max is fine, but don't do it all the time and I have always found it helpful to leave a little in the tank. That way when it comes to meet day I can draw on that last little bit

The last 2 meets I've done I hit 70lb and 40lb PRs respectively and never touched my 3rd attempts prior to that day (meaning I never tried to hit them in the gym)

Travis are you always in some kind of meet prep so as to leave a little in the tank or is that for all training in general?

Travis Bell
01-21-2009, 11:09 AM
I actually only do around 3 meets a year, but I do use that method all the time. I find it helpful for training. Every once in a great while I'll really drop the hammer, but I'd rather be consistent and keep progressing each time.

The only time I changed this was during this training cycle leading up to the raw unity meet. I had a shortened training cycle because I did that meet down in TN so I had to turn up the heat a little so I didn't go down there and embarass my self LOL. Even during this training cycle though, I still haven't maxed out with the weights that I think I may be capable of at the meet. I've hit my opener multiple times, paused, reps, off boards you name it.

George Halbert beat that into me as did Lou. Slow and steady wins the race. Rush it and you'll end up burnt out and injured

To clarify guys, I'm not saying you slack in the gym LOL anyone who reads my log knows I don't sit on my hands and expect PRs to drop in my lap. I work very hard. But I know right where to push hard enough, with out going too hard. Its a very very very fine line. Drew said it best, there's a fine line between balls and stupid.

On meet day, I go as hard as I possibly can.

This Saturday I'll leave nothing on the platform :evillaugh:

Darracq
01-21-2009, 11:43 AM
How is this difficult? Do singles until you miss a weight. Maybe that will be 495. Maybe not. It's a self-regulating kinda thing.

do this, dont make things so complicated.

Reko
01-21-2009, 11:49 AM
I sense some changes I can make to my bench training...

Pitbull3291
01-21-2009, 11:51 AM
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/1rm.htm

This calculator really seemed to hit it on the dot with my lifts, although it depends on how you feel the day you lift.

As for you lifting 495, dont even think about it. i would imagine that if you can bang out 4 easy reps of 405 that your 2 rep would be higher than 415 unless it was just a bad day u did 2 rep? either way id try 440 TOPS if i were you.
GOOD LUCK

01-21-2009, 11:58 AM
do this, dont make things so complicated.

I don't make things complicated.

01-21-2009, 12:01 PM
I have always deadlifted AFTER HEAVY squatting (relatively speaking), and HEAVY benching....

Basically, I've been following Rippetoe's methods for the last couple years.

I think the fact that I'm so beat up from the squats and benches have somewhat of an effect on my deadlifts. Maybe not though...

I liked Brad's advice though, keep trying singles until I can't lift the weight anymore. I actually never even attempted a 1RM deadlift, and I never deadlifted FIRST in a session either.

rbtrout
01-21-2009, 12:41 PM
The only problem with trying for 5 plates is that if you do it, the next time you'll think, "I did 5 plates last time, I should be able to do more", so you try. You find that you can't even pull 5 plates again and you get discouraged. Trying for new PRs too often can be very discouraging. Slow and steady wins the race.

Why ruin a good thing? Part of this sport is being patient. I could probably squeeze out a 785-800lb bench but that'd pretty much burn up all my reserves for progress.

I've seen a lot of guys go balls out 100% and then every PR after that is a real struggle.

Take your time, make consistent steady gains. In the long run it'll pay off much more.