BSN Cellmass question

[lpark25]

I've just started lifting recently. I'm 5'10 and 158lbs. I'm taking BSN's TrueMass to bulk up along with CellMass, their creatine supplement. On the CellMass package it says to take two scoops a day. Each serving has 4250mg of their proprietary creatine formula. I've often read that I only should take 5g/day of creatine. So would two servings be overkill?

-Thanks

[Tom Mutaffis]

When they say "proprietary blend" does it tell you what is in it? Is it all creatine?

Two servings per day is likely overkill and you are probably wasting that second dosage; there is no need to go through a loading phase with creatine.

For putting on more size you might want to look at a product called "Results" by AtLarge Nutrition; hands down one of the most effective creatine matrix products on the market. Will give you some great strength gains as well.

[lpark25]

4250 mg of:
Sodium Creatine Phosphate Matrix
Creatine Ethyl Ester-Beta-Alanine Dual Action Composite (CaroSyn)
Creatinol-O-Phosphate-Malic Acid Interfusion
Creatine AAB (Creatine Alpha-Amino-N-Butyrate)

2000mg of:
Glutamine AKG

950mg of:
Di-Calcium Phosphate
Cinnulin PF (Aqueous Cinnamon Extract) (bark)
Di-Potassium Phosphate
Di-Sodium Phosphate

is this any good?

[king8329]

I've used it, and took the two recommended scoops. I had good results with it at that dose but never took just 1 a day so I have no basis for comparison. I'd just take it twice a day and you know that youre getting what youre looking for.

[lonesXedge]

4250 mg of:
Sodium Creatine Phosphate Matrix
Creatine Ethyl Ester-Beta-Alanine Dual Action Composite (CaroSyn)
Creatinol-O-Phosphate-Malic Acid Interfusion
Creatine AAB (Creatine Alpha-Amino-N-Butyrate)

2000mg of:
Glutamine AKG

950mg of:
Di-Calcium Phosphate
Cinnulin PF (Aqueous Cinnamon Extract) (bark)
Di-Potassium Phosphate
Di-Sodium Phosphate

is this any good?

Do you know what any of these ingredients are?

[Tom Mutaffis]

4250 mg of:
Sodium Creatine Phosphate Matrix
Creatine Ethyl Ester-Beta-Alanine Dual Action Composite (CaroSyn)
Creatinol-O-Phosphate-Malic Acid Interfusion
Creatine AAB (Creatine Alpha-Amino-N-Butyrate)

2000mg of:
Glutamine AKG

950mg of:
Di-Calcium Phosphate
Cinnulin PF (Aqueous Cinnamon Extract) (bark)
Di-Potassium Phosphate
Di-Sodium Phosphate

is this any good?

Well I was not aware of any CEE / Beta Alanine dual action composite being out there - but BSN went through a large lawsuit just about a year ago over their creatine ethyl ester being simple creatine monohydrate when tested through lab analysis.

2 grams of glutamine will not really do anything noticable for you, other than cost you money.

The other stuff at the bottom is just preservatives or some type of electrolyte solution, no real impact on strength or athletic performance unless you are deficient in something.

Honestly this product looks like they tried to make it sound very complex but just threw a bunch of things together in hopes that someone will read the label and say "wow, those are some big words - this stuff must work".

My original recommendation stands, go with "Results" creatine matrix by AtLarge Nutrition. It combines creapure creatine, beta alanine, and a proven delivery percusor - dextrose. I have used this product and have had experienced better gains than with any of the previous creatine products that I was using.

[lpark25]

Thanks for all the advice. I guess I'll finish the CellMass since I already opened it, after that I'll give "results" a try.

[Ryan Bracewell]

Cellmass is a good creatine product if you dont want the water wet but it is rather expensive, especially if you use 2 scoops a day. If you like the Ethyl Ester creatines, I would just get a pill version or bulk powder of it.

[redwolf4k]

Agreed, I think Cellmass is WAY over priced.

[Tom Mutaffis]

Cellmass is a good creatine product if you dont want the water wet but it is rather expensive, especially if you use 2 scoops a day. If you like the Ethyl Ester creatines, I would just get a pill version or bulk powder of it.

Agreed, it is expensive especially when it does not offer any gains over creatine monohydrate which you can get a 3 month supply of for $15. I have never had any issues with bloating on creatine, maybe some people have.

As mentioned earlier I would also be skeptical of any CEE products from BSN after their law suit. You would expect that following a serious infraction like that they would impose better quality standards, but you never know.

[Ryan Bracewell]

Agreed, it is expensive especially when it does not offer any gains over creatine monohydrate which you can get a 3 month supply of for $15. I have never had any issues with bloating on creatine, maybe some people have.

As mentioned earlier I would also be skeptical of any CEE products from BSN after their law suit. You would expect that following a serious infraction like that they would impose better quality standards, but you never know.

The law suit was not that it contained Creatine Monohydrate. BSN claimed it used Creatine Ethyl Ester Malate, but the accusers are claiming that this type of creatine is not able to be made. It is believed by most in the industry that they used CEE.

Monohydrate is the best type of creatine availabe, IF you can absorb it. Some studies show that up to 40% of users can not absorb enough monohydrate to make it usefull, which is why you get many people who claim it did nothing for them. But if you can absorb it, then it is by far the best choice.

[Tom Mutaffis]

The law suit was not that it contained Creatine Monohydrate. BSN claimed it used Creatine Ethyl Ester Malate, but the accusers are claiming that this type of creatine is not able to be made. It is believed by most in the industry that they used CEE.

Monohydrate is the best type of creatine availabe, IF you can absorb it. Some studies show that up to 40% of users can not absorb enough monohydrate to make it usefull, which is why you get many people who claim it did nothing for them. But if you can absorb it, then it is by far the best choice.

Yes, that is why I also questioned their "Carosyn" complex that supposedly is a CEE / Beta Alanine dual action composite and some of the other fancy new compounds in CellMass. It seems like BSN is perhaps making things up to try to gain some kind of advantage in perception over their competitors.

I did not know that about the creatine uptake being such an issue for people. Seems like a lot of people have good results with kre-aklyn but it is expensive as well.

Guess the bottom line is that if monohydrate works for you, then use it. If not then you need to use another form and it is going to cost more.

[evilxxx]

I've just started lifting recently. I'm 5'10 and 158lbs. I'm taking BSN's TrueMass to bulk up along with CellMass, their creatine supplement. On the CellMass package it says to take two scoops a day. Each serving has 4250mg of their proprietary creatine formula. I've often read that I only should take 5g/day of creatine. So would two servings be overkill?

-Thanks
Keep us posted of your progress, I am an MHP user but one of my best friends is a BSN user and he stack the same way...truemass and cell mass ,he's getting good results too but he is an MMA fighter not a powerlifter...maybe i'll get him to the dark side...hahaha
and yes 2 scoops a day.

[sean.peters]

I disagree that the various phosphates added to the product listed are preservatives... none of those compounds has any particular preservative action. My guess is that they are meant to support production of ATP... but I doubt that would make any particular difference, as not very many people are deficient in phosphates to begin with. That portion of your supplement is probably a waste. I don't know enough about the rest to say.