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Al19067
02-24-2009, 11:53 AM
Last week I changed from atkins diet to weight watchers, what do u guys think of weight watchers? I still make sure I get 10grams of protein over my body weight

Pimpstick
02-24-2009, 12:08 PM
Personally, I think it's garbage. Works for some I suppose. Why don't you use some discipline and just count your calories and macros yourself and follow the diet advice in the stickies?

VikingWarlord
02-24-2009, 12:21 PM
It depends what you're after. It, like Nutri-System and Jenny Craig, works for some people but it's what I've seen referred to as a "black box" system. You don't think, you just do what they tell you without having any need to know or understand how it works or why you're doing it. You're not going to get really lean, but you'll probably lose weight. I don't think anyone is actually happy on that type of plan though. They just deal with it because they think that being miserable is part of the process when it really isn't.

A real diet that is tailored to your own needs is pretty much always going to be superior to any prefab plan.

Al19067
02-24-2009, 03:13 PM
It depends what you're after. It, like Nutri-System and Jenny Craig, works for some people but it's what I've seen referred to as a "black box" system. You don't think, you just do what they tell you without having any need to know or understand how it works or why you're doing it. You're not going to get really lean, but you'll probably lose weight. I don't think anyone is actually happy on that type of plan though. They just deal with it because they think that being miserable is part of the process when it really isn't.

A real diet that is tailored to your own needs is pretty much always going to be superior to any prefab plan.

Yea I'm gonna stay with this untill I stop losing weight, then I'm gonna mod it to fit me, but its actuallly not that bad I'm eatn tasty foods

ZenMonkey
02-24-2009, 03:19 PM
Al,

What are your current macros?

Al19067
02-24-2009, 03:41 PM
Al,

What are your current macros?

This may sound stupid but wat is macros?

VikingWarlord
02-24-2009, 05:47 PM
Yea I'm gonna stay with this untill I stop losing weight, then I'm gonna mod it to fit me, but its actuallly not that bad I'm eatn tasty foods

Isn't this a plan where they give you the food you need? It's not really a plan you can modify, you'll need to build something else once this one stops working the way you want it.

Al19067
02-24-2009, 07:00 PM
Isn't this a plan where they give you the food you need? It's not really a plan you can modify, you'll need to build something else once this one stops working the way you want it.

No this is a plan where u get points and so much food is worth points it just like cutting calories

VikingWarlord
02-24-2009, 07:02 PM
Yeah. It's essentially the same thing. You need to know exactly what you're eating in normal terms in order to customize it to your own needs. Those plans aren't really designed to be scaled like that. The points are just there to trick people into counting calories and whatnot.

ZenMonkey
02-24-2009, 07:24 PM
Macros: Calories, protein, carbs, fat

Here's what Id do: Drop 200 calories below your maintaince, keep carbs low until before/after WOs, protein high.

Ride those losses until you hit a plateau then drop another 200.


When you get to 15% bf or so I would really consider carb cycling.

Al19067
02-24-2009, 08:06 PM
Macros: Calories, protein, carbs, fat

Here's what Id do: Drop 200 calories below your maintaince, keep carbs low until before/after WOs, protein high.

Ride those losses until you hit a plateau then drop another 200.


When you get to 15% bf or so I would really consider carb cycling.

Thanks zen, my carbs are under 200,protein is 190 to 200 and fats are under 50, is this bad?

ZenMonkey
02-24-2009, 08:20 PM
Thanks zen, my carbs are under 200,protein is 190 to 200 and fats are under 50, is this bad?


Something like this is a moderate carb cycle:


Lifting Days:
Calories: Slightly below maintaince
155-165 carbs
70-75 fat


Non Lifting Days:
Calories: 300-500 below maintaince
65-75 carbs
80-90 fat


Over 220 protein on both days.


Should put you to losing a lb per week while keeping on the most muscle you can.

Al19067
02-24-2009, 08:31 PM
Something like this is a moderate carb cycle:


Lifting Days:
Calories: Slightly below maintaince
155-165 carbs
70-75 fat


Non Lifting Days:
Calories: 300-500 below maintaince
65-75 carbs
80-90 fat


Over 220 protein on both days.


Should put you to losing a lb per week while keeping on the most muscle you can.

Thanks a lot zen