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WillNoble
02-27-2009, 10:35 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3939011


I mean he's good, but 100 mil to a DT, thats just absurd...

Mike G
02-27-2009, 11:46 AM
A DT who is considered among the best and really had two big time seasons, making this much, is ridiculous. I agree that he's good, but he missed time this year, and I don't think he's easily the best DT in the league. I think there are guys that are just as good, if not better. That's Washington though, throw out a ton of money and still be the third best in their division.

schmitty199
02-27-2009, 01:50 PM
Haynesworths been known to have motivation issues and just rubs off as a guy who played hard for the big contract, and is going to get lazy now that he got it.. We'll see.

faster
03-02-2009, 05:48 PM
This is most likely a 4 year contract in reality, before his salary goes up to 29 a year. Overpaid is relative. The skins need results now and have got the money to throw around. Now if we can just patch up our O-line...

WillNoble
03-02-2009, 05:59 PM
Overpaid is relative.

how so?


at its highest it makes him the highest paid man in the NFL:

TOP 20 HIGHEST PAID PLAYERS IN 2008

1. QB Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh $ 27,701,920
2. DE Jared Allen, Minnesota $ 21,119,256
3. WR Larry Fitzgerald, Arizona $ 17,103,480
4. QB JaMarcus Russell, Oakland $ 16,872,400
5. RB Michael Turner, Atlanta $ 16,003,840
6. G Chris Snee, N.Y. Giants $ 14,890,000
7. CB Asante Samuel, Philadelphia $ 14,145,000
8. WR Randy Moss, New England $ 14,006,720
9. T Flozell Adams, Dallas $ 14,005,760
10 .DT Tommy Kelly, Oakland $ 13,978,480
11. WR Terrell Owens, Dallas $ 13,731,560
12. WR Bernard Berrian, Minnesota $ 13,705,000
13. T Michael Roos, Tennessee $ 13,505,520
14. C Jeff Faine, Tampa Bay $ 13,105,760
15. DE Will Smith, New Orleans $ 12,950,000
16. QB Tony Romo, Dallas $ 12,886,600
17. G Travelle Wharton, Carolina $ 12,850,000
18. DE Antwan Odom, Cincinnati $ 12,800,000
19. CB Terence Newman, Dallas $ 12,611,240
20. RB Marion Barber, Dallas $ 12,522,400

joey54
03-02-2009, 06:11 PM
I remember when the best player in the NFL was the highest paid, Jonathan Odgen.

Lineman are the best players and should make the most money in the league. $100 million is a lot, but he isn't even going to see half of that amount. All the NFL contracts look much bigger than what they are.

WillNoble
03-02-2009, 06:30 PM
I remember when the best player in the NFL was the highest paid, Jonathan Odgen.

Lineman are the best players and should make the most money in the league. $100 million is a lot, but he isn't even going to see half of that amount. All the NFL contracts look much bigger than what they are.

40+ million is guaranteed, that's all he needs to know

geoffsherman
03-02-2009, 08:17 PM
I think the real contract is actually 4 years at $48mm. Check out cnnsi.com, MMQB with Peter King who has a good write-up on this...

WillNoble
03-02-2009, 11:10 PM
I think the real contract is actually 4 years at $48mm. Check out cnnsi.com, MMQB with Peter King who has a good write-up on this...

explain the 4yr 48mil...


He has a 7yr 100$ million with 41million in guarantees:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=3543

aaronm
03-03-2009, 12:31 AM
i think haynesworth is a great player but i just dont think you can justify throwing that much money at a defensive tackle. i understand how essential d tackles are to stopping the run and occupying blockers for lb's and ends to get through...

but if you are going to pay that kind of money for a defensive player, i think it has to be someone like a Demarcus Ware or a James Harrison...someone who is a threat to get to the QB on every single play.

faster
03-03-2009, 10:56 AM
explain the 4yr 48mil...


He has a 7yr 100$ million with 41million in guarantees:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=3543

Because he won't be kept around after 4 years. The 7 year 100 mil is mostly just fluff for the media and gives Haynesworth some posturing power later down the road.

WillNoble
03-03-2009, 11:03 AM
Because he won't be kept around after 4 years. The 7 year 100 mil is mostly just fluff for the media and gives Haynesworth some posturing power later down the road.

and you know this, how?

you the new 'skins GM?

Mike G
03-03-2009, 12:52 PM
explain the 4yr 48mil...

He has a 7yr 100$ million with 41million in guarantees:


I'm a little confused as well. 41 million guaranteed, is that the signing bonus? If so, he gets that no mattter what, right? If it isn't the bonus and it's guaranteed, doesn't that mean he gets it even if they cut him?

WillNoble
03-03-2009, 01:13 PM
yeah he will see the 41 million whether or not he ever sees the field...

Bako Lifter
03-03-2009, 02:09 PM
he's saying that a lot of the money comes in the back end of his contract and the skins will restructure/realease him before they have to pay him the full 100 mill.

but yes he gets 41 no matter what, but that's not 100.

joey54
03-03-2009, 04:47 PM
i think haynesworth is a great player but i just dont think you can justify throwing that much money at a defensive tackle. i understand how essential d tackles are to stopping the run and occupying blockers for lb's and ends to get through...

but if you are going to pay that kind of money for a defensive player, i think it has to be someone like a Demarcus Ware or a James Harrison...someone who is a threat to get to the QB on every single play.

I would have no problem with either of those guys getting this type of money either.

geoffsherman
03-03-2009, 06:48 PM
From Peter King's article:
Seven years, $100 million. With reachable incentive bonuses, seven years, $115 million.

Everywhere -- in Washington, Nashville and in national publications -- it was written over the weekend that Haynesworth signed the first $100-million contract by a defensive player in league history, a contract that could jump to $115 million if he earned some incentives.

That could happen. I could succeed Roger Goodell as commissioner of the NFL one day, too.

Haynesworth, barring a miracle, will never see the fifth year of the contract. In essence, he signed a four-year, $48-million contract Friday with the Redskins. That will carry him through his 11th season, in 2012 (barring a work stoppage in 2011, which is a real possibility). Here is the real contract:


Year Signing Bonus Option Bonus Salary

2009 $5 million -- $6 million

2010 -- $21 million $3.6 million

*2011 -- -- $5.4 million

2012 -- -- $7.2 million

Totals: four years, $48.2 million.



The asterisk is for an additional $1 million he could earn in an offseason workout bonus before camp.

The seven-year deal calls for Haynesworth to earn $29 million in 2013, $10.8 million in 2014 and $12 million in 2015.

I am reminded of players in Washington who were scheduled to make far less and who never made it to the pay window in the later years of their contracts. Deion Sanders signed a seven-year, $56-million deal with Washington in 2000, and lasted one year. Adam Archuleta and Brandon Lloyd similarly busted in 2006.

The last three years of the Haynesworth deal are agent recruiting years. They have no bearing on reality.

WillNoble
03-03-2009, 07:41 PM
From Peter King's article:
Seven years, $100 million. With reachable incentive bonuses, seven years, $115 million.

Everywhere -- in Washington, Nashville and in national publications -- it was written over the weekend that Haynesworth signed the first $100-million contract by a defensive player in league history, a contract that could jump to $115 million if he earned some incentives.

That could happen. I could succeed Roger Goodell as commissioner of the NFL one day, too.

Haynesworth, barring a miracle, will never see the fifth year of the contract. In essence, he signed a four-year, $48-million contract Friday with the Redskins. That will carry him through his 11th season, in 2012 (barring a work stoppage in 2011, which is a real possibility). Here is the real contract:


Year Signing Bonus Option Bonus Salary

2009 $5 million -- $6 million

2010 -- $21 million $3.6 million

*2011 -- -- $5.4 million

2012 -- -- $7.2 million

Totals: four years, $48.2 million.



The asterisk is for an additional $1 million he could earn in an offseason workout bonus before camp.

The seven-year deal calls for Haynesworth to earn $29 million in 2013, $10.8 million in 2014 and $12 million in 2015.

I am reminded of players in Washington who were scheduled to make far less and who never made it to the pay window in the later years of their contracts. Deion Sanders signed a seven-year, $56-million deal with Washington in 2000, and lasted one year. Adam Archuleta and Brandon Lloyd similarly busted in 2006.

The last three years of the Haynesworth deal are agent recruiting years. They have no bearing on reality.

this all still hinges on a new collective bargaining agreement, re-establishing a salary cap...which may realistically not happen...

geoffsherman
03-03-2009, 08:27 PM
Agreed, but I think a lot of these contracts have big money in 2010 since it could be a capless year -- or even possibly a strike. However, I think clearly the Skins would cut Haynesworth before the $29mm. At that point, he would be 32/33 which is the downside of his career.

Godssoulja
03-04-2009, 03:58 AM
Time will tell if his play will measure up to his pay. The Skins are known for making big money free agent signings that turn out to be busts.