PDA

View Full Version : Jim Wendler's 5/3/1 RAW training program



Keith
03-04-2009, 01:38 PM
Anyone know when this book will be out? It's quite different from his book, Training Three Days A Week and I still can't seem to find it.


To those who know all about it, does THIS (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=112382761) explain it in complete detail?

Reko
03-04-2009, 01:47 PM
I thought he released this as an e-book or some kind of download from EFS?

Pete22
03-04-2009, 01:58 PM
It's supposed to be more in-depth and comprehensive.

Here he answers what the differences are:
http://asp.elitefts.com/qa/default.asp?qid=89932&tid=

And here is a preview of its table of contents:
http://asp.elitefts.com/qa/default.asp?qid=89807&tid=

Sounds like it's going to be available in hard copy and e-book.

Keith
03-04-2009, 02:02 PM
I thought he released this as an e-book or some kind of download from EFS?

From what I've heard, it WILL be released as an e-book but I can't find a date anywhere.



It's supposed to be more in-depth and comprehensive.

Here he answers what the differences are:
http://asp.elitefts.com/qa/default.asp?qid=89932&tid=

And here is a preview of its table of contents:
http://asp.elitefts.com/qa/default.asp?qid=89807&tid=

Sounds like it's going to be available in hard copy and e-book.

Yeah, I've read those before but I still can't find out when it'll be released. I can't wait to get my hands on it, though.

vdizenzo
03-04-2009, 02:34 PM
I wonder what the postage is on the ebook?

Keith
03-06-2009, 08:17 AM
Anyone?

Reko
03-06-2009, 08:30 AM
depends on if you order $30 or more :D

Reko
03-06-2009, 08:31 AM
have you tried asking Wendler when it will be released?

Keith
03-06-2009, 10:20 AM
have you tried asking Wendler when it will be released?

I could just do that...

vdizenzo
03-06-2009, 12:18 PM
Jim was talking about it last weekend. It did not sound like it was ready presently.

-JM-
03-06-2009, 05:14 PM
Inthemeantime? (http://www.flexcart.com/members/elitefts/default.asp?m=PD&cid=370&pid=2795)

Keith
03-06-2009, 05:43 PM
Haven't heard that many great things about that book at all. Have you read it?

KarstenDD
03-06-2009, 08:30 PM
Haven't heard that many great things about that book at all. Have you read it?

It's pretty good. The 5/3/1 is in it.

vdizenzo
03-06-2009, 09:22 PM
Haven't heard that many great things about that book at all. Have you read it?

It's old school compound movements. It's great for me because my squat and deadlift were aimless as a bencher. Now I use the 5-3-1 and it gives me a plan. I also use the benching template for my raw work. I use the raw work for my assistance on shirt days. Jim did not reinvent the wheel with this, but it is a great solid program. It cuts through all the bs so many trainers out there are trying to push nowadays.

Plus Karsten is using it and that's reason enough for me.

Phillip Wylie
03-07-2009, 08:36 AM
It's a good program. I put 55lbs on my raw deadlift after two training cycles.

HP666
03-08-2009, 06:52 PM
It's old school compound movements. It's great for me because my squat and deadlift were aimless as a bencher. Now I use the 5-3-1 and it gives me a plan. I also use the benching template for my raw work. I use the raw work for my assistance on shirt days. Jim did not reinvent the wheel with this, but it is a great solid program. It cuts through all the bs so many trainers out there are trying to push nowadays.



I agree with what Vinnie said here 1000%. This program is simple, meaning a monkey could do it, which makes it great, and more importantly, IT WORKS. No B.S., no junk, no filler. Everything is based on the major lifts that have been making people bigger and stronger since the beginning of time. Did I mention how simple it is? There are WAY too many guys out there looking for "something different", or "something new", which really means they are lazy and looking for an easier way of doing things yet still reap the rewards. And there are a bunch of people out there telling people that they have these "cutting edge" programs available. For a fee of course. Like Jim says; Carpenters do it with wood.

WillNoble
03-11-2009, 09:44 AM
An update:


http://asp.elitefts.com/qa/training-logs.asp?qid=91269&tid=

Keith
03-11-2009, 09:48 AM
An update:


http://asp.elitefts.com/qa/training-logs.asp?qid=91269&tid=

Damn, you're fast. Jim is probably in the process of repeating that date to me right now. Thanks for the update.

If anyone is interested in the program, check my journal, I just broke it down in there.

Reko
03-16-2009, 09:16 AM
Per the EFS it has arrived.

rbtrout
03-16-2009, 09:36 AM
I just got an email from EFS, it's available today. http://www.flexcart.com/members/elitefts/default.asp?m=PD&cid=370&pid=2976 for 19.99.

bcraig5509
03-16-2009, 10:05 AM
I got two questions about the program that maybe you guys could answer. Once you've completed it, should you devote a week to maxing out or should you use the number of reps and weight you get in the third week of the program to put in for your second cycle (example, if prescribed to do 225x1, but you get it 3 times, would you want to go through the program again with 225x3 as your max or would you go and test your one rep max)?

Second, is the program set up so that you will always get more than the prescribed reps? In essence, your last set is always a max reps scenario?

Brad08
03-16-2009, 10:12 AM
I got two questions about the program that maybe you guys could answer. Once you've completed it, should you devote a week to maxing out or should you use the number of reps and weight you get in the third week of the program to put in for your second cycle (example, if prescribed to do 225x1, but you get it 3 times, would you want to go through the program again with 225x3 as your max or would you go and test your one rep max)?

Second, is the program set up so that you will always get more than the prescribed reps? In essence, your last set is always a max reps scenario?

Sounds like you need the book!

ehubbard
03-16-2009, 10:19 AM
Sounds like you need the book!

Exactly.

Here's the lionk to buy the E Book.

http://www.flexcart.com/members/elitefts/default.asp?m=PD&cid=370&pid=2976

Keith
03-16-2009, 10:27 AM
Thanks, guys. I checked last night but I guess it came out today. It's now purchased and on it's way via email.

Keith
03-16-2009, 10:28 AM
I got two questions about the program that maybe you guys could answer. Once you've completed it, should you devote a week to maxing out or should you use the number of reps and weight you get in the third week of the program to put in for your second cycle (example, if prescribed to do 225x1, but you get it 3 times, would you want to go through the program again with 225x3 as your max or would you go and test your one rep max)?

Second, is the program set up so that you will always get more than the prescribed reps? In essence, your last set is always a max reps scenario?

It's a $20 book.

Crankman
03-16-2009, 04:10 PM
its very good,just finished reading it...anyone with questions should invest 20$ ..

Brodiesel
03-16-2009, 04:16 PM
is it worth it if you already have the first book?

Crankman
03-16-2009, 04:23 PM
For 20$ its a good deal...

Keith
03-16-2009, 04:49 PM
is it worth it if you already have the first book?

Apparently Trainging 3 Days a Week wasn't that good at all and if you wanted to do 5/3/1, there would be a lot of unanswered questions. If you're unsure, take a look at the table of contents on elitefts' website.

Crankman
03-16-2009, 05:32 PM
Apparently Trainging 3 Days a Week wasn't that good at all and if you wanted to do 5/3/1, there would be a lot of unanswered questions. If you're unsure, take a look at the table of contents on elitefts' website.

i think it was good, but write any program and you see thousand of questions about it...just look over the web and how many forums with program and there is so many post and so many questions...

Phillip Wylie
03-18-2009, 07:39 AM
The 5/3/1 book is great and the price is very reasonable.

vdizenzo
03-18-2009, 09:06 AM
Just get the book. Jim wants to buy a new truck.

Brodiesel
03-18-2009, 09:55 AM
Just get the book. Jim wants to buy a new truck.

haha, i have the first book and since I'm not borderline ******ed I could easily understand the 5/3/1, thus, I will not be buying the book until I have cash to blow. Plus, I'd rather just wait for his yoke book to come out so I can look like a real man.

ELmx479
03-20-2009, 05:16 PM
I am going to order the book myself because this looks like a program I could really stick with and not get bored or stall as quick.

What do you guys think about only squatting once a week on this program?

KarstenDD
03-20-2009, 10:35 PM
Apparently Trainging 3 Days a Week wasn't that good at all and if you wanted to do 5/3/1, there would be a lot of unanswered questions.

Common sense solves those problems. Jim's original title for the 5/3/1 method was the "close enough method"

WillNoble
03-20-2009, 10:45 PM
just picked it up... One of the best protocols for the beginner/intermediate strength enthusiast, ever published...

ELmx479
03-21-2009, 09:45 AM
I bought the book and downloaded it but can't get it to open on my computer. I got the Adobe Acrobat Reader. Could anyone help me out here?

Pete22
03-21-2009, 10:01 AM
I bought the book and downloaded it but can't get it to open on my computer. I got the Adobe Acrobat Reader. Could anyone help me out here?

I'm assuming you went to the link that was sent to you, and downloaded the ZIP file? Just open the file and the PDF is in that folder. What OS are you running?

ELmx479
03-21-2009, 10:06 AM
I'm assuming you went to the link that was sent to you, and downloaded the ZIP file? Just open the file and the PDF is in that folder. What OS are you running?

Yes, It is the zip file. I can't open it, when I right click it "open" is not an active link. It is gray instead of black. Nothing happens when I double click it either. I am not very good with computers, as you can tell.

Pete22
03-21-2009, 10:11 AM
Which version of Windows are you running? 2000, XP, Vista?

Phillip Wylie
03-21-2009, 10:17 AM
I just complete my 7th wave on the 5/3/1 program. The program has worked great for me. I am now to the point where I need to lower my percentages for the bench and deadlift.

ELmx479
03-21-2009, 10:17 AM
Which version of Windows are you running? 2000, XP, Vista?

XP I believe.

Pete22
03-21-2009, 10:20 AM
XP I believe.

Read this link, if that doesn't help then I'd contact Elite's customer service and tell them you're having trouble opening it.

http://consumerdocs.installshield.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=Q108326&sliceId=1

ELmx479
03-21-2009, 10:43 AM
Read this link, if that doesn't help then I'd contact Elite's customer service and tell them you're having trouble opening it.

http://consumerdocs.installshield.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=Q108326&sliceId=1

Thanks for your help but nothing with happen when I click on it. Only when I right click. I guess I will just wait til monday and email them. I didn't know it was an online book. I was hoping for an actual book in the mail.

METAL VIPER
04-22-2009, 12:16 AM
.
What do you guys think about only squatting once a week on this program?
Yeah, that's what I was thinking when I first read about this program. I like the general idea, but I've grown accustomed to fullbody workouts and squatting three times a week (albeit not always heavy)

vdizenzo
04-22-2009, 05:35 AM
Thanks for your help but nothing with happen when I click on it. Only when I right click. I guess I will just wait til monday and email them. I didn't know it was an online book. I was hoping for an actual book in the mail.

Did you forget to pay the postage?

ELmx479
04-22-2009, 05:39 AM
Yeah, that's what I was thinking when I first read about this program. I like the general idea, but I've grown accustomed to fullbody workouts and squatting three times a week (albeit not always heavy)

What I have decided to do is add in light or front squats on the dead lift day. I feel more warmed up to dead lift this way also.

Ex:

Front Squat 5x5
Dead Lift 5/3/1
Good Mornings 5x10
Hanging Leg Raise 5x10

ELmx479
04-22-2009, 05:40 AM
Did you forget to pay the postage?

I got the problem fixed. They e-mailed it to me again.

METAL VIPER
04-22-2009, 02:11 PM
What I have decided to do is add in light or front squats on the dead lift day. I feel more warmed up to dead lift this way also.

Ex:

Front Squat 5x5
Dead Lift 5/3/1
Good Mornings 5x10
Hanging Leg Raise 5x10
That's an interesting idea; hope everything works out for you

HP666
04-22-2009, 03:33 PM
What I have decided to do is add in light or front squats on the dead lift day. I feel more warmed up to dead lift this way also.

Ex:

Front Squat 5x5
Dead Lift 5/3/1
Good Mornings 5x10
Hanging Leg Raise 5x10


You could certainly do that, but doing 5X5 Front Squats, I don't like it, I think it's too much. And I KNOW you're gonna tell me it's not, and that's cool too, but I have a suggestion. Do Kettlebell swings instead. IF you don't have a KB use a 25 lb plate instead. Hold the plate like a steering wheel at 9-3 o'clock. Or you could use a dumbbell. Do 4 sets of 10. This is an awesome warm up for DLing and less taxing than front squats.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRMBqpoO4-8

ELmx479
04-22-2009, 06:13 PM
You could certainly do that, but doing 5X5 Front Squats, I don't like it, I think it's too much. And I KNOW you're gonna tell me it's not, and that's cool too, but I have a suggestion. Do Kettlebell swings instead. IF you don't have a KB use a 25 lb plate instead. Hold the plate like a steering wheel at 9-3 o'clock. Or you could use a dumbbell. Do 4 sets of 10. This is an awesome warm up for DLing and less taxing than front squats.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRMBqpoO4-8

Thanks man, I will give them a try.
I do 5 ramping sets and can't front squat very much so it's not too bad. I am used to doing that because my old routine had them together on the same day plus OH press and Pull ups.

HP666
04-22-2009, 08:40 PM
Thanks man, I will give them a try.
I do 5 ramping sets and can't front squat very much so it's not too bad. I am used to doing that because my old routine had them together on the same day plus OH press and Pull ups.

That's cool, you need to do what works for you. I'm just thinking of you saving your energy for the DL itself. I'm rehabbing a shoulder injury at the moment and I use the 531 myself.