Generic Labz XMass info? Reviews? Thoughts on Prohormones

[Skalami]

Hey guys, 26 been lifting for awhile now gains are really slow even after tweaking the diet and routine for months now. Originally didnt put much stock into the stuff i saw on the shelves..maybe im starting to buy into the hype but i see a lot of forum posts on various sites from people that have tried various stuff like Mass Xtreme, H-Drol, X mass, Cellucor... thinking about buying a bottle and trying it out.

I cant make heads or tails of these new supposed pro hormones all the Methyl 17a-d-b-c 24f-methadrolone stuff i dont know what it means even after looking it over for awhile now. Back in the day i knew all about the Andros the diols the diones the nors but this new stuff is just too much. Can anyone recommend something? Or specifically does anyone have any experience with Generic Labz X Mass? it seems like its a cheaper version of Tren Xtreme by American Cellular Labs but im not sure if its the exact same thing.

If you have any personal experience with another product let me know, i would really like to find generic versions of expensive tested products that dont sacrifice quality. Any help would be much appreciated.

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

What's your diet like? What's your training regimen like? What are your stats? How long have you been lifting? How old are you?

[Skalami]

Im 26, training for the past 2 months has been; Monday-Back-lats-light bi's Tuesday-cardio Wednesday-Chest-Shoulders-Tris- Thursday-Cardio Friday-Bi's-Tri's Saturday-Legs Sunday rest. Cardio is usually pretty light. I have been lifting on and off for about 10 years ive been lifting now with 100% in it for about 8 months and abuut 4-5 months before that i was just hitting the gym sparingly heavy workouts but not great nutrition or any after workout focus. I currently am using a protein powder and ive started creatine but its not really having any impact. I dont really want to spend money on the NO stuff and i just cant sort through all the advertising to find something that will work and im starting too put way too much focus into researching a supplement i would take.

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

You need to break down your training regimen more, such as:

Monday: Bench Press, Bent Over Rows, Chin Ups, etc...

And so on and so forth.


I can't gather any information from the way you posted your workout routine, but what I can tell so far, it doesn't look too good.


I think there's a lot of modifications you can do to your diet and training that will help you get to your goals faster. It seems like you're all over the place with this stuff.

[Mercuryblade]

I have a really hard time believing anyone has hit a plateau after training for only a couple of months, and would have to resort to prohormones to further their results.

You need to list your actual routine, and I'm guessing that your diet isn't as good as it could be.

[Skalami]

Havnt been training for just a couple months, just got 100% serious about my lifting within the last couple months and have been really serious since then. Been lifting for close to a year after a 2 year hiatus with about 10 years total.

Actually i am most likely going to hold off a bit longer maybe till after the summer to rethink a cycle. But if i was i just cant make sense of all these products, all the ones being banned and then the clones that come out. It seems like American Labs is a good company with the "Xtreme's" but they are pricey and their are a lot of supposed clones out there that are a lot cheaper, im wondering if the clones are just as good.

Heres my routine:

Monday Back - Pullups to warm up, then Pull Downs, Deadlifts - Dumbell Rows then shrugs and if i have any energy a set or two of dumbell curls.

Tuesday Light Cardio (15-20mins elliptical)
Wednesday - Chest - Bench - Incline Bench - Dumbell Flys - Front & Side Shoulder Raises
Thursday - Light Cardio
Friday - Biceps - Barbell Curl - Seated Dumbell Curls - Preacher / Skullkrushers - Overhead extensions - modified dips
Saturday - Legs 5 min light cardio Squats - Leg Press - Hamstring curls - seated calf raises
Sunday - Off

seeing as im pulling back from the ph cycle i might just list this in a workout routine for tweaking but any advice would be great.

[Tom Mutaffis]

Skalami -

I would not waste money on any OTC pro-hormones or designer steroids. They will be expensive and produce mediocre results but also carry severe side effects in many cases. Most of the gains that you see with these methyl products are simply due to water retention and they are also extremely toxic.

Your training program could be tweaked a bit to produce better results, as it looks like you may be overtraining certain body parts. Diet is also very important as is getting enough rest.
- Put lower body training in the middle of the week so that you are not doing 3 days upper body in a row.
- Move deadlifts to lower body day.
- Put one of your cardio days on top of a training day since it is only 15-20 mins, this gives you two full days of rest per week.
- Make sure that your not doing the same thing every week (change up the weights, intensity, and rep ranges).
- Never do more than 20 sets in one workout or train for more than one hour.

In general:
- Make sure that you are getting 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight everyday.
- If your goal is to gain weight you will have to keep your calories high, remember that fats are 9 calories per gram compared to 4 calories per gram for protein / carbs.
- A good quality creatine product should help increase strength and allow you to push past plateaus. Look at "creapure" creatine monohydrate and take 5 grams everyday with dextrose.

Just as many "designer creatine" products are made to capitolize on the effectiveness of creatine monohydrate, many of these "designer steroids" are made simply to capitolize on the results that actual anabolic / androgenic steroids can produce. The thing is that these products are more expensive, less effective, and more dangerous than "the real thing".

It looks like with a few adjustments to your training and diet you still have plenty of room to make great gains. I would not consider pro-hormones, steroids, or any other compounds until you have reached a genetic maximum (generally in your 30's with 10+ years of intelligent training under your belt, effective general supplement program, etc.)

[Skalami]

Thanks a lot Tom! Ive been thinking that with the pro-hormones. All this methyl stuff... i didnt know what it was at first but whenever i see it i think of pickling a cucumber which i know isnt accurate but its what i think of. The Methyl will make some things more affective but it ruins your liver and plays hell on your system from what ive seen. Not to mention the big psychological let down after doing a cycle and going back to the gym on nothing. I am going to drop out of this search for a good ph.

I was thinking i was over training but i have upped my calorie intake lately and i felt my intensity going up and just went with it. i want to hit the gym everday and feel strange if i dont. I had church on sunday and all i could think about was getting out and what i could do at the gym. I get a nice natural high from it.

Anyways i did my back yesterday and i started with pull downs then i did Deadlifts and i jsut felt like i was giving my lats a rest which i shouldnt have while i worked a completely different part of my body. So i am going to move my deadlifts to my legs day. Although i was able to do 70lbs for dumbell rows (10+reps) which is a personal best after i did deadlifts.

I have been having a really clean (as far as i know) diet. For example i wake up and pretty much right away mix in a protein powder with sugar free apple juice. Down that. Then have coffee...and i mix in these rye biscuits that have a ton of fiber (around 3 grams per biscuit) and just drink that sludge i like it like that.
Then an hour later its either oatmeal with protein powder/cocoa powder/ and walnuts or Greek Yogurt (22g protein to 140cals) with fruit and walnuts cut in.
Then i always have chicken breasts and usually its a chicken breast lunch done up someway. Either in a sandwich or with lotsa spinach. then few hours later workout. I take a jug with apple juice and protein powder with me so i dont have to race home and kill people on the way. But when iget home i still make a good sized protein shake usually with a banana, blueberries, a scoop of protein powder and some sugar free jello.
Then more chicken breasts, last night i had steak though which i havnt had in months.
Prebed its a small bit of chicken and 1/2 scoop of protein powder.


Thanks a lot for the critique i think this is whats going to help me more then a damaging,letdown of a PH cycle would do. Anyways it seems all the good stuff is outlawed and people are just releasing stuff with similar names to make money off of that.
Im going to make a post asking if most protein powders are the same i bought Gnc Pro-Performance because it was on sale.