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[YAKKA]

First of all I would like to thank Ties for showing interest and supporting our team. Well done mate ! I`m 6`2`tall , 255 pounds
and this is my second course. A week ago I started anadrol 50 a day and prop eod and I am not yet satisfied with my results.
But even the first course this was disaponting to me because I have`nt seen such results. Should I encrease my dosage ? do you think its enough for me ? 2 Should I start having nolvadex now or in the mid of the course and what about the dosage ?
3 should I train more while I am on st , saying twice a week every body part or its too much ? thanks guys ...

[BIG POPPA PUMP]

What is your dose?? I wouldn't up the A-50's. And I think if your taking A-50's u might wanna start taking 20mg EOD of Nolvadex because I hear thier pretty Harsh.

[tony touch]

eat more dude, sleep more and train harder. its not the juice thats hurtin u.

you've only been "on" for a week and u want super results? give it a few weeks and youll see some size

[Severed Ties]

If your dividing the A-50 throughout the day and shooting 100mg's of prop EOD then you really don't need any more AS.

You've only been on a week, I'm sure your growing but your not gonna see much in the mirror for a few weeks. Remember you've probably only gained 2-4 pounds of LBM....unless your lean enough to do a show theirs no way in hell your gonna see that small of a change.

Also recheck your diet, at 255, unless your seriously fat you should be eating at least 4500 cals a day for max growth. Your minimum protein intake should be 400g a day with 500g of carbs, spread over 8 meals.

You can try training a muscle group twice a week, thats what I do normally but I have a good natural recovery. Just watch your volume and if you start to get burnt out just alternate in weeks where you only train a muscle group once a week.

ST

[YAKKA]

Shall I start taking nolvadex 20mg eod from now or later on ?
I mean mid of the cycle..

[Tadger]

Throwing winny in there would probably help ya a bit more than the nolva. The nolva will stop estrogen from contributing to any gyno problems... but yeah.

[YAKKA]

why should i take winny !... I want to use it to avoid gyno.
Winny does not... correct.

[Severed Ties]

Winny has some anti-progestin properties, which is how anadrol causes gyno. Anti-estrogens will not do anything to prevent gyno from drol.

Look for a thread by "Life4Ever" on "tren and gyno" for the details.

ST

[YAKKA]

I read that thread ties, but i`m only a beginner on st ,so I
did`nt understand the technical side of it. So can you suggest
something for me please. I prefer your suggestions than mine
you now......here it goes :
I`m in the 3rd week of the course and Ihave about 10 days more
using drol, till now I have no signs of bitch tits. Shall I use something to be on the safe side.
2 When I finish the anad after the 4th week shall I use some else
I might start loosing gains . What you think if I use some halotestin after the 4th week. Obviosly hcg and clomid after
the course or mid cycle ??
Thanks guys...

[big]

Originally posted by Severed Ties
Anti-estrogens will not do anything to prevent gyno from drol.

ST

But arimidex will right?

[tony touch]

damn anadrol and halotestin cycle. .... holy **** dude...that cant be good for the liver!:)

[Severed Ties]

Big- technically Arimidex will not help either as progesterone is inducing the gyno but progesterone and estrogen have a synergistic effect in causing gyno so by keeping estogen levels in the low end you will need a greater amount of progesterone to cause gyno.

Yakka- IMO their are only two times anyone should ever use halo and that is a powerlifter the day of competition or a bodybuilder for the week of his show. Halo is far more toxic than other orals as it must pass through the liver three times to be broken down.

If you have no signs of gyno then you don't need any winstrol and I would just lay off the orals for the rest of your cycle. You should continue to gain just fine without the anadrol but if you could replace the 50mg's of drol with another 50mg's of Test per injection.


ST

[big]

ok. So using high amount of test at the same time will prevent progesterone. But the high amount of test might cause gyno which can be prevented by arimidex and nolva. Is that correct?

[Severed Ties]

Originally posted by big
ok. So using high amount of test at the same time will prevent progesterone.

***No, maybe I wasn't clear. Progesterone induced gyno only occurs with AS that bind as an agonist to the progesterone receptor namely Anadrol and Nandrolone (deca) What I'm saying is arimidex can't stop progesterone induced gyno but it takes more progesterone to cause gyno if theirs less estrogen floating around so arimidex can be helpful in that manner.

But the high amount of test might cause gyno which can be prevented by arimidex and nolva. Is that correct?

***Correct, drugs like arimidex, Femera, and Aromisin inhibit the aromatase enzyme so less Testosterone is aromatized into estrogen, thus less estrogen in the system. Drugs like Clomid and Nolvadex Simply block estrogen at the ER in breat tissue so you still have an abnormally high amount of estrogen circulating but it is being prevented from binding to the receptor so gyno is prevented.


ST

[YAKKA]

I am trying to avoid sust, enen, cyp, that`s why I used prop..
Iam trying to use something not more than 2 months detectable,
beacause of my natural competition.. What you think if I use
primo depot ... ? there isn`t much choice from test.. except susp

[big]

nah you were probably clear I'm just slow. All that med talk makes my brain hurt, it's hard enough to understand in swedish.

So it's unlikly you would get gyno from anadrol, atleast while on test? But if you do you can't fight it, unless you want to use winny (or others with "anti-progestin properties" perhaps)? Would it be very unwise to combine anadrol, nandrolone (and test of course).

And yakka, why are you trying to avoid those? I would try and avoid prop. :) You have to inject that much more often and it's suppose to hurt alot more. (Í could be wrong)

[YAKKA]

So BIG- you are suggesting me to continue with winny...
I think it`s not a bad idea ist`it ? What about primo depot?
how long does it stay detectable ? as far as I now, about 5 months... in that case its not good for me.....

[big]

No i'm not suggesting anything.... I'm new to this too. :)

[Severed Ties]

Originally posted by big

So it's unlikly you would get gyno from anadrol, atleast while on test? But if you do you can't fight it, unless you want to use winny (or others with "anti-progestin properties" perhaps)? Would it be very unwise to combine anadrol, nandrolone (and test of course).



It's not likely you would get gyno from anadrol, unless you progesterone sensitive, because your estrogen levels remain in the normal range for a male. Your far more likly to have problems if your using anadrol with Test if you don't use arimidex because your estrogen will be abnormally high. Incidently I believe anadrol has a synergistic effect with estrogen for causing side effects as anadrol alone or with Test + Arimidex is rather mild in terms of side effects. Yet I've seen the same stack repeated without arimidex and the side effect profile becomes enourmous.

I would never recommend anyone combine anadrol with nandrolone let alone Test on top of that.


ST

[big]

heh ok thanks for the help.

[YAKKA]

Ok trying to learn... so in that case I did not made such an
excellent choice in your opinion.... ties

[YAKKA]

Ties - before I have asked you this :
when I stop anad I might start to loosing muscle ??
ok you sad no problem just lay off the orals and replace 50mg
with another test per injection ...
the problem is this that I cannot take neither cypionate nor enanthate because both off them are 3 months detect...
I don`t think that having more prop is good it would be waste or
use less....
can you suggest me something please I have only 4 days left
using anad
thanks guys.

[Severed Ties]

I was under the impression you were shooting Test Prop EOD, which you could bump by 50mg's per shot. Their isn't much else you can add because your subject to testing that isn't liver toxic.

ST

[YAKKA]

what actually i am doing is this :
test prop eod 100mg every shoot for 8 weeks.
50mg ED anad for the first 4 weeks .
Now Iam tapering down using winny for the other 4 weeks
starting 5th week with 40 mg or 30mg , 20 , 10, I might keep
some gains and at the same preparing for the contest ..In fact the test is not for the liver ,it`s a dope testing for a natural
competition

[Severed Ties]

I meant steroids that will clear the system in time to pass a dope test for competition and are not toxic to your liver from a health stand point (8 weeks is a bit long for 17AA steroids)

You know winstrol can be detected up to 13 weeks after it is discontinued?

ST

[YAKKA]

I`m surprised that stanozolol remain up to 13 weeks in the system. As far as i now winny stays only for 3 weeks and I found this information from other anabolic sites. Alot of xbodybuilders says the same that winny does not stays long in the system in fact they stop 3 weeks or sometimes even 2 in low doses ..
But if you can help me find the truth about it I will appreciate alot
or some more info , thanks man .

[Severed Ties]

It depends on what kind of test they give you.

3 weeks was the accepted period of time for stanozolol then when isotope testing began everyone got nailed.

ST