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blownby
07-22-2009, 08:49 AM
guaging to see how my reps compare to mine to see how i am coming. shooting for low 600's in Nov. looks like i will need to get 5-6 at 545 & 2 of 585

Looking for 495#, & 545# & 585# 625#

I'm like:
495# for 8
545# for 3
585# 1...590# is current max
625#...not budgin.......YET

Thanks

Tom Mutaffis
07-22-2009, 09:08 AM
There can be a lot of variance from individual to individual.

When I had a low 600 lbs raw deadlift I had pulled 500 lbs x 11 stopping each rep on the floor. After getting 585 lbs x 5 I pulled 645 lbs the next week, and then about 1-2 months later hit 655 lbs x 2 because I had been deadlifting more. A couple of months later hit 600 lbs x 5 touch and go at a demo and it was pretty tough.

If you are able to really psych yourself up and know how to make your body peak then sometimes you can go well beyond what you would hypothetically be able to do with reps. For instance I know of guys who may be able to 1 RM 35-50 lbs more than their 2 RM, which in general does not make much sense. My thoughts are that once you can hit 585 x 3 or 600 lbs x 2 without hitching you should be able to pull 625 lbs (or at least be able to break it from the floor and get close).

blownby
07-22-2009, 09:16 AM
i definitly know there will be a variance as some have great brute strength & others more conditioning. Also when i pull it is always a full stop/set then go, never a touch & go.

I have gotten 601 to break the floor my last two meets but after a few inches thats about it. I maybe giving up mentally as well.....
If i can get it a few more inches i'd be golden. I can do rack pulls with a lot more than i can pull. 675#x 3-4 from knee & 725#x3 just above the knee.

I am working on 5x5 & defecits now to get my floor speed up. Just did 475 5 sets of 5 last week & 485# 5sets of 5 last night from a 1.5" defecit.

Thanks for your info.....

blownby
07-22-2009, 09:43 AM
here is the vid from set number 5 (last set). Rep 5 gotcut off due to vid time limit of 30secs......

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Form looked pretty good throughout. Had it recorded to see if my form stayed tight. Looks so much faster/smoother than it felt!

dgunnermuro
07-24-2009, 10:00 AM
It sounds to me like you need more practice with the heavy single. It's a different mindset to achieve the perfect competition rep as opposed to multiple reps. I see guys all the time who are rep warriors who can do 5's with pretty heavy weight, yet throw 20 lbs. on the bar and it won't budge from the floor. It rarely correlates to a heavy single. I haven't pulled for reps in 2 years and I just PR'ed with 744(gym) and 733 (meet) a few weeks ago. Most of the training has been multiple heavy singles with short rest periods. Just my 2 cents...

blownby
07-24-2009, 10:06 AM
what would you suggest.....warmup.....heavy triples till its heavy then go to singles......like 535, 565, 580....and up it like 5# each the following week??

blownby
07-24-2009, 10:09 AM
and i am by far from a rep warrior! lol :thumbup:

dgunnermuro
07-24-2009, 10:35 AM
This was a recent Max Effort DL session:

135x5
225x3
315x2
405x1
495x1 Added briefs and suit
585x1
675x1x5 -5 sets with 90 second rest periods.

Accessory work after that was weighted chins, shrugs, band pull aparts....upper back is my weak point, so I hammer it 2x/week.

Try not to turn your warmup into a workout. It's only there to raise core body temp to make the CNS fire more efficiently. I seem to get warm really quickly. Others may take a little while longer.

Your vid lift looks nice and strong.

Dave

blownby
07-24-2009, 10:46 AM
great stuff. I'l give it a try. so say I start w/ 550 for 5 sets of 1 & get it. should I add 5 or 10# the following week till I miss?

dgunnermuro
07-24-2009, 10:48 AM
and i am by far from a rep warrior! lol :thumbup:

I hear ya, me either!

dgunnermuro
07-24-2009, 10:54 AM
great stuff. I'l give it a try. so say I start w/ 550 for 5 sets of 1 & get it. should I add 5 or 10# the following week till I miss?

I think 5#/week would work for a few weeks in a row and then you might lower the load back to 560 and work up again from there. Looks like 550 is 90%+ 1rm for you, so realize you're pretty heavy for your current strength level.

I've used this template for the past 3 or so meets. Last year, I knew if I pulled 635x1x5 with 90sec rests that I was stronger and would most likely PR at the meet. Next meet, I pulled 655 for singles and short rest and got another PR. Same thing this time around, 675/singles/90sec and PR.

blownby
07-24-2009, 11:01 AM
awesome.... thanks again

dgunnermuro
07-24-2009, 11:16 AM
One last thing- you might consider doing this every other week. I don't know how well you would recover from doing it consecutive weeks when factoring in your squat training volume. Play it by ear.

blownby
07-24-2009, 11:23 AM
yeah, I figured id do like for 2 weeks, then do some sumo work & then come back to this for a week or two & then something else....etc! Its tough being a full meet guy....not a one lift specialist!! haha

fulldaddy
07-24-2009, 01:04 PM
Your pull looks real strong. I am close in numbers and training so this has helped me out as well. Are you competing this weekend Blownby? If so - good luck man.

blownby
07-24-2009, 01:08 PM
Your pull looks real strong. I am close in numbers and training so this has helped me out as well. Are you competing this weekend Blownby? If so - good luck man.

thanks man....unfortunatly I am unable to make the national meet.....life & schedules just not allowing. Oh well!

Jesse Hernandez
07-24-2009, 01:44 PM
guaging to see how my reps compare to mine to see how i am coming. shooting for low 600's in Nov. looks like i will need to get 5-6 at 545 & 2 of 585

Looking for 495#, & 545# & 585# 625#

I'm like:
495# for 8
545# for 3
585# 1...590# is current max
625#...not budgin.......YET

Thanks

im a 600 raw puller here are my numbers.

Gym
495x2
545x0
585x0

Comp
550x1
573x1
601x1

Jesse Hernandez
07-24-2009, 01:49 PM
There can be a lot of variance from individual to individual.

When I had a low 600 lbs raw deadlift I had pulled 500 lbs x 11 stopping each rep on the floor. After getting 585 lbs x 5 I pulled 645 lbs the next week, and then about 1-2 months later hit 655 lbs x 2 because I had been deadlifting more. A couple of months later hit 600 lbs x 5 touch and go at a demo and it was pretty tough.

If you are able to really psych yourself up and know how to make your body peak then sometimes you can go well beyond what you would hypothetically be able to do with reps. For instance I know of guys who may be able to 1 RM 35-50 lbs more than their 2 RM, which in general does not make much sense. My thoughts are that once you can hit 585 x 3 or 600 lbs x 2 without hitching you should be able to pull 625 lbs (or at least be able to break it from the floor and get close).


Thats me completely!!! You know how some people never practice good? But then they do really good in games? They call them "gamers"...... im pretty sure thats what I am. cant even pull 525 in the gym...... then I pull 601 at nationals (with 10-15lbs to spare)

theBarzeen
07-24-2009, 05:13 PM
you could also try some work with a 2 or 3" deficit to help getting it off the ground...... maybe some chain work to get the overload.....

are you a sumo or conventional puller?

Beefcaker
07-25-2009, 03:47 AM
you could also try some work with a 2 or 3" deficit to help getting it off the ground...... maybe some chain work to get the overload.....

are you a sumo or conventional puller?

sommbody didn't watch that therr vidya

blownby
07-25-2009, 07:12 AM
you could also try some work with a 2 or 3" deficit to help getting it off the ground...... maybe some chain work to get the overload.....

are you a sumo or conventional puller?

a conventional puller... currently pulling off 2x4 for a 1.5" defecit, may got to 3" next round of this.

Reko
07-25-2009, 05:09 PM
Looks like your knees come in a little. Have you tried moving your hands out a little to let you push the knees out and get your hips more into it?

blownby
07-25-2009, 06:48 PM
I used to hold & stand wider. I am working on bringin my stance & hands in. especially on this workout

robchris
07-25-2009, 07:49 PM
Blownby,

Kicka** work for a 198'er!

Based on the 545x3 you should be hitting in the 625 range... Good luck!

Hazerboy
07-28-2009, 01:53 AM
Thats me completely!!! You know how some people never practice good? But then they do really good in games? They call them "gamers"...... im pretty sure thats what I am. cant even pull 525 in the gym...... then I pull 601 at nationals (with 10-15lbs to spare)


This is me in powerlifting for deadlifts (was the exact opposite in wrestling). I NAILED 551 in competition - in fact I was told I left plenty of lbs. on the platform - but sometimes I have a hard time hitting really heavy singles in the gym.

BTW, to the OP: YOU ARE A FREAK! For a 6'0 198er your numbers are freaking insane! Do you cut weight or do you just have a naturally low bodyfat percentage or something?

blownby
07-28-2009, 07:47 AM
BTW, to the OP: YOU ARE A FREAK! For a 6'0 198er your numbers are freaking insane! Do you cut weight or do you just have a naturally low bodyfat percentage or something?


Thanks! as far as my weight...I typically hover around 202# (~9%bf) in the winter and 198#(~7-8%bf) in the summer. So for having to cut weight, in reality no need to. Usually just cut a little water out the night before and im fine. I usually end up weighin in around 196# :tuttut:. I need to figure this out a little better.

I have always been skinny(lean). I used to always train more for looks/BB style and the strength just came. I started to compete last year when a buddy of mine kept telling me that i was strong & i should compete. So the last year i have switch my training style a bit more to the PL way!

rbtrout
07-28-2009, 08:56 PM
I thought the same thing that Reko mentioned. Slightly wider grip will allow the knees to go out a bit and get more hips into it. I used to pull like you do and stalled around 570 or so. I went a bit wider on the grip and let the knees come out and my numbers have gone up. I do train sumo, sumo deficit and conv. deficits, as well.

blownby
07-29-2009, 08:56 AM
I thought the same thing that Reko mentioned. Slightly wider grip will allow the knees to go out a bit and get more hips into it. I used to pull like you do and stalled around 570 or so. I went a bit wider on the grip and let the knees come out and my numbers have gone up. I do train sumo, sumo deficit and conv. deficits, as well.

I dont typically hold that close, just did that day. I usually hold a few more inches out. I used to hold & stand very wide, still pulled pretty successful like that, but have been narrowing my stance & grip for the last 6 mos.

blownby
07-29-2009, 09:13 AM
Ok, so last night i pulled and went a bit heavier to see how things were before i switch up.......

warmup: 135x12, 225x12, 315x8, 405x5, 495x5 .......

Then did 545 x 3 :thumbup: had room for 1 maybe 2 more.

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and then 565 x 2. Any critiques feel free.

I am working on editing the 565x2 vid as my "videographer" had to put his ugly mug & comments at the beggining! :(

AJ_H
07-29-2009, 09:23 AM
Thats me completely!!! You know how some people never practice good? But then they do really good in games? They call them "gamers"...... im pretty sure thats what I am. cant even pull 525 in the gym...... then I pull 601 at nationals (with 10-15lbs to spare)

out of interest, would you say that you are an extrovert? (out-going, sociable). Apparently extroverts respond better to more stimulation (e.g. a competition) than someone who is introverted. Or so I have heard.

Jesse Hernandez
07-29-2009, 01:41 PM
out of interest, would you say that you are an extrovert? (out-going, sociable). Apparently extroverts respond better to more stimulation (e.g. a competition) than someone who is introverted. Or so I have heard.

Yea dude, I thrive off the crowd. If the crowd was pumped up, theres no telling what I'd pull. I love when people watch.

AJ_H
07-29-2009, 01:51 PM
^interesting. I personally feel more calm and relaxed when people are not around. Going to the gym makes me feel anxious and I always get heavier weights when it is less busy. I would say I'm introverted

Fuzzy
07-30-2009, 06:53 AM
600x1
545x3
495x6