Marajuana and Weight Training?

[Mr_Banger]

has anybody ever combined the 2?

is this a big no-no?


Im not a stoner, just smoke it occasionally, but I find when im stoned I become alot more aware of my body and can focus purely on my lifting instead of lifting while being distracted by other things and not listening to my body.

for a while iv been noticing iv been getting the urge to train while most people would be playing xbox or eating a multipack of doritos infront of the tv


i also dont get the urge to over-train or train to failure, or push myself more than i should, something i do far too often when im sober, and then i can easily stuff my face with more than the needed calories after, taking advantage of "the munchies".




am i committing a major sin?

[Off Road]

Crap...can we move this?

[TallRob]

pot descreases testosterone production, adrenalin and increases estrogen production...........puff away if you want moobs.
has anybody ever combined the 2?

is this a big no-no?


Im not a stoner, just smoke it occasionally, but I find when im stoned I become alot more aware of my body and can focus purely on my lifting instead of lifting while being distracted by other things and not listening to my body.

for a while iv been noticing iv been getting the urge to train while most people would be playing xbox or eating a multipack of doritos infront of the tv


i also dont get the urge to over-train or train to failure, or push myself more than i should, something i do far too often when im sober, and then i can easily stuff my face with more than the needed calories after, taking advantage of "the munchies".




am i committing a major sin?

[Mr_Banger]

pot descreases testosterone production.this is what i heard, didnt know if it was true or not

[Tom Mutaffis]

I have moved this post to General Chat.

[Saverio]

pot descreases testosterone production, adrenalin and increases estrogen production...........puff away if you want moobs.

LMAO. But it's true. It may not happen overnight, but chronic pot smoking over a period of years will definitely cause gyno.

[d0rkyd00d]

pot descreases testosterone production, adrenalin and increases estrogen production...........puff away if you want moobs.

Pics or it didn't happen.

[Unholy]

I've been smoking for 11 years. No bitch tits here. I smoke daily. At the very least. QFT.

[Invain]

pot descreases testosterone production, adrenalin and increases estrogen production...........puff away if you want moobs.

These effects are extremely minimal......

OP I know a few people that swear they can have great sessions while baked. Personally it seems like a terrible idea, when I smoke lifting weights is the last thing I wanna do and I always feel fairly weak when I'm baked.

[Unholy]

I cannot for the life of me get baked and then go lift. On the other hand, lifting followed by a nice baking session = win imo.

[Sidior]

I cannot for the life of me get baked and then go lift. On the other hand, lifting followed by a nice baking session = win imo.

In full agreement here. I am baked almost every night and it has yet to affect my training.

[Nik00117]

IT'll help with the bulking phase.

[Invain]

IT'll help with the bulking phase.

I had a lot of stomach problems last winter and for a few months smoking at night was the only way I could get in enough cals for my bulk.

[Mercuryblade]

Every study I've seen that talks about decreased test, moobs, etc. had subjects that ingested incredible quantities.

I doubt the occasional puff on the weekends is going to have significant if any impacts on your gains.

Besides, you know what else decreases testosterone? Stress. If an occasional joint helps keep you calm, I say go for it.

[backseatwitme13]

i'm just waiting for the anti-marijuana nazis to come out of the woodworks.

[Southern Beast]

I don't smoke pot anymore but did for quite a while. I don't see how it'd be bad for your gains, but yeah, don't get baked before working out. :/

Weird thing is pot never made me hungry. And I quit smoking because I realized most people who smoke are boring when they're high and even more boring when they're not.

[Nik00117]

i'm just waiting for the anti-marijuana nazis to come out of the woodworks.

Waiting....


I don't smoke pot anymore but did for quite a while. I don't see how it'd be bad for your gains, but yeah, don't get baked before working out. :/

Weird thing is pot never made me hungry. And I quit smoking because I realized most people who smoke are boring when they're high and even more boring when they're not.

That's all

[dynamo]

rawr no marijuana for you rawr

[twm]

i noticed that after taking a long break from mj then returning, my endurance was affected. I eventually i got sick of it. life is too short to be passing the time

[Sensei]

i'm just waiting for the anti-marijuana nazis to come out of the woodworks.
I'll probably qualify according to you...

Let me just start by expressing my disappointment that marijuana threads always seem, almost without exception, to be among the most popular threads on the forum...

Marijuana will do absolutely nothing positive for your training. Yes, it will stimulate appetite, but do you really need that? Yes, maybe you will be a little bit more creative, but how many of us can say that 'what I really need in my training is to be more creative'?

Not being fully present when I'm stepping out of the rack with a heavy barbell on my back is the absolutely last thing I want to be. I suppose if all you're not doing heavy lifting, and no overhead lifting, then it's probably not that dangerous, but, if that's the case, how productive is your training really?

JMO. You may now commence with the flaming.

[BFGUITAR]

I'll probably qualify according to you...

Let me just start by expressing my disappointment that marijuana threads always seem, almost without exception, to be among the most popular threads on the forum...

Marijuana will do absolutely nothing positive for your training. Yes, it will stimulate appetite, but do you really need that? Yes, maybe you will be a little bit more creative, but how many of us can say that 'what I really need in my training is to be more creative'?

Not being fully present when I'm stepping out of the rack with a heavy barbell on my back is the absolutely last thing I want to be. I suppose if all you're not doing heavy lifting, and no overhead lifting, then it's probably not that dangerous, but, if that's the case, how productive is your training really?

JMO. You may now commence with the flaming.

I think weightlifting while high on pot is a horrible idea as well... I can't see it being a benefit. Appetite stimulation can help but I don't think smoking when ever you need to get hungry is a healthy habit to get in to.

A friend of mine did intervals while high. He took some weed oil and we ran. He did quite well but he was so high he forgot all his numbers and how long he was waiting between runs. I think he did more than he was suppose to just to make sure he hit his quota lol.

Leave pot for jam sessions and nature documentaries I say.

[galileo]

Pot causes horrible effects like hysteria, anger, and extreme paranoia in people who don't use it.

[Invain]

Pot causes horrible effects like hysteria, anger, and extreme paranoia in people who don't use it.

Lmao

[CleverName]

Why hasn't anyone linked this yet?

http://www.wannabebig.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52153

[backseatwitme13]

Why hasn't anyone linked this yet?

http://www.wannabebig.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52153

that thread was soooo 5 years ago.

[TallRob]

LMAO:zipit:
Pics or it didn't happen.

[Songsangnim]

I'll probably qualify according to you...

Let me just start by expressing my disappointment that marijuana threads always seem, almost without exception, to be among the most popular threads on the forum...

.


For me it's more of puzzlement how on a forum that is ostensibly dedicated towards health, can anyone justify inhaling carcinogenics? I suppose if you don't smoke it...

Anyway getting back on topic...I can't imagine moving a lot of weight under any kind of influence from any kind of drug.

[Invain]

For me it's more of puzzlement how on a forum that is ostensibly dedicated towards health, can anyone justify inhaling carcinogenics? I suppose if you don't smoke it...

Anyway getting back on topic...I can't imagine moving a lot of weight under any kind of influence from any kind of drug.

There have been studies that indicate THC may have anti-carcinogenic effects. This doesn't justify smoking, but I'd much rather hit some weed from a water bong than smoke a cigarette.

Also, I wouldn't necessarily say everybody on this forum is dedicated towards health. I don't care who wants to argue, something like powerlifting is not really good for your body.

[twm]

THC may have anti-carcinogenic effects but certainly the smoke delivering the THC to your lungs does not.

[galileo]

Cook it in fat/use a vaporizer.

If you use marijuana, you're either smart enough to figure it out or too stupid to care. Either way, everyone wins.

[Hazerboy]

For me it's more of puzzlement how on a forum that is ostensibly dedicated towards health...

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH.

Have you ever heard of the whole RHODEHOUSE philosophy? how many heavyweight powerlifters out there have you heard of who have almost died or died from cardiac problems?? I love powerlifting/strength training, but the massive weight gain thats often associated with it does very little to help your case. I mean just look at dave tate and what years of powerlifting and the terrible diet associated with it did to his body.

I have friends that have smoked before training but I would never personally smoke before a training session myself. I only train for 5-8 hours a week, leaving a solid 160 hours for whatever the hell else i want to do. Why would I mess with that small, precious time?

As for the claim that THC drops testosterone, I don't believe it. Show me the studies your speaking of, and I guarantee you they were almost all survey based, as in "lets look at the test. levels of a bunch of stoners and compare them to national 'averages," versus lets MEASURE your test levels, put you on pot for 12 weeks, then measure them again. Its nearly impossible to control all of your variables in large scale survey studies like these! All they really prove is that the average LIFESTYLE involved with smoking weed will drop your levels. Think about it -- typically, most stoners don't eat or exercise correctly, which has a HUGE impact on your test. levels. I'm willing to bet that whatever test. changes they've found either are not statistically significant, or are invalid anyways because they cannot control all of their variables.


Personally, I think that if they put some serious research into the effects of pot on your body, most people would be surprised. Have you ever seen the movie Super High Me? Think Super Size Me only with pot. They had this guy smoke weed EVERY DAY, ALL DAY for 30 days days straight. And when I say all day, I mean this dude was high, aaalll, daaay. They compared his lung capacity levels, SAT scores, weight, blood pressure, etc. I think he gained like 5 or 8 lbs or something, but that was literally it (SAT scores actually went up! XD). The doctor could find no permanent damage to his body. Even his lung capacity, the one thing you would think would be seriously effected, barely went anywhere. I think his lung capacity changed from something like 91% (tested after a month of sobriety, or no pot smoking) to 89% after smoking for a month (which probably isn't' statistically significant--who knows what the error is on that machine, or the natural variability of one's lung capacity).

Sure this isn't exactly "real" science -- its only one guy, after all -- but compare this to Super Size Me-- the McDonald's almost KILLED that guy! He had huge drops in test. levels, gained something like 30 lbs, his blood levels were awful, etc. Now imagine what would happen if you had something similiar for alchohol - DRUNK, all day, every day, for 30 days.

You're damn right they'd find some permanent damage to your body, if you even survived!

NOW for the final test--which one of these gets the most flak in the public eye--McDonald's, Alchohol, or pot?

[Nik00117]

I think in 5-10 years will begin to become legal. Society just doesn't look down upon it.

For example all my friends I work with the only reason they don't smoke? Because their companies regularly drug test them and it's not worth their job.

That's the only reason though.

[Off Road]

Society just doesn't look down upon it.

Yes we do.

[Songsangnim]

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH.

Have you ever heard of the whole RHODEHOUSE philosophy? how many heavyweight powerlifters out there have you heard of who have almost died or died from cardiac problems?? I love powerlifting/strength training, but the massive weight gain thats often associated with it does very little to help your case. I mean just look at dave tate and what years of powerlifting and the terrible diet associated with it did to his body.

I have friends that have smoked before training but I would never personally smoke before a training session myself. I only train for 5-8 hours a week, leaving a solid 160 hours for whatever the hell else i want to do. Why would I mess with that small, precious time?

As for the claim that THC drops testosterone, I don't believe it. Show me the studies your speaking of, and I guarantee you they were almost all survey based, as in "lets look at the test. levels of a bunch of stoners and compare them to national 'averages," versus lets MEASURE your test levels, put you on pot for 12 weeks, then measure them again. Its nearly impossible to control all of your variables in large scale survey studies like these! All they really prove is that the average LIFESTYLE involved with smoking weed will drop your levels. Think about it -- typically, most stoners don't eat or exercise correctly, which has a HUGE impact on your test. levels. I'm willing to bet that whatever test. changes they've found either are not statistically significant, or are invalid anyways because they cannot control all of their variables.


Personally, I think that if they put some serious research into the effects of pot on your body, most people would be surprised. Have you ever seen the movie Super High Me? Think Super Size Me only with pot. They had this guy smoke weed EVERY DAY, ALL DAY for 30 days days straight. And when I say all day, I mean this dude was high, aaalll, daaay. They compared his lung capacity levels, SAT scores, weight, blood pressure, etc. I think he gained like 5 or 8 lbs or something, but that was literally it (SAT scores actually went up! XD). The doctor could find no permanent damage to his body. Even his lung capacity, the one thing you would think would be seriously effected, barely went anywhere. I think his lung capacity changed from something like 91% (tested after a month of sobriety, or no pot smoking) to 89% after smoking for a month (which probably isn't' statistically significant--who knows what the error is on that machine, or the natural variability of one's lung capacity).

Sure this isn't exactly "real" science -- its only one guy, after all -- but compare this to Super Size Me-- the McDonald's almost KILLED that guy! He had huge drops in test. levels, gained something like 30 lbs, his blood levels were awful, etc. Now imagine what would happen if you had something similiar for alchohol - DRUNK, all day, every day, for 30 days.

You're damn right they'd find some permanent damage to your body, if you even survived!

NOW for the final test--which one of these gets the most flak in the public eye--McDonald's, Alchohol, or pot?


Which is why I said "ostensibly" And I never said anything about "studies" ...not sure what that has to do with what I said.

[Mercuryblade]

Yes we do.

You may look down on it personally. But I know plenty of very staunch, old school conservatives that have no problem with it.

It's no different than drinking, if you can do it in moderation and it doesn't affect other areas of your life then what difference does it make?

Then on the other side, someone who focuses everyday around it and does nothing but get high and sit on their couch all day everyday is no better than an alcoholic.

[Sensei]

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH.

Have you ever heard of the whole RHODEHOUSE philosophy? how many heavyweight powerlifters out there have you heard of who have almost died or died from cardiac problems?? I love powerlifting/strength training, but the massive weight gain thats often associated with it does very little to help your case. I mean just look at dave tate and what years of powerlifting and the terrible diet associated with it did to his body.

I have friends that have smoked before training but I would never personally smoke before a training session myself. I only train for 5-8 hours a week, leaving a solid 160 hours for whatever the hell else i want to do. Why would I mess with that small, precious time?

As for the claim that THC drops testosterone, I don't believe it. Show me the studies your speaking of, and I guarantee you they were almost all survey based, as in "lets look at the test. levels of a bunch of stoners and compare them to national 'averages," versus lets MEASURE your test levels, put you on pot for 12 weeks, then measure them again. Its nearly impossible to control all of your variables in large scale survey studies like these! All they really prove is that the average LIFESTYLE involved with smoking weed will drop your levels. Think about it -- typically, most stoners don't eat or exercise correctly, which has a HUGE impact on your test. levels. I'm willing to bet that whatever test. changes they've found either are not statistically significant, or are invalid anyways because they cannot control all of their variables.


Personally, I think that if they put some serious research into the effects of pot on your body, most people would be surprised. Have you ever seen the movie Super High Me? Think Super Size Me only with pot. They had this guy smoke weed EVERY DAY, ALL DAY for 30 days days straight. And when I say all day, I mean this dude was high, aaalll, daaay. They compared his lung capacity levels, SAT scores, weight, blood pressure, etc. I think he gained like 5 or 8 lbs or something, but that was literally it (SAT scores actually went up! XD). The doctor could find no permanent damage to his body. Even his lung capacity, the one thing you would think would be seriously effected, barely went anywhere. I think his lung capacity changed from something like 91% (tested after a month of sobriety, or no pot smoking) to 89% after smoking for a month (which probably isn't' statistically significant--who knows what the error is on that machine, or the natural variability of one's lung capacity).

Sure this isn't exactly "real" science -- its only one guy, after all -- but compare this to Super Size Me-- the McDonald's almost KILLED that guy! He had huge drops in test. levels, gained something like 30 lbs, his blood levels were awful, etc. Now imagine what would happen if you had something similiar for alchohol - DRUNK, all day, every day, for 30 days.

You're damn right they'd find some permanent damage to your body, if you even survived!

NOW for the final test--which one of these gets the most flak in the public eye--McDonald's, Alchohol, or pot?
All this and not one line on topic...

(edit) Let me just add this to try to keep things ON topic - folks, EVERYTHING truly is interconnected. Take it from someone who's been around for a while - your body can only take so much abuse, negligence, or overwork. If it's not helping your recovery, it's probably hurting it. The thread is not about what's worse (fast food, alcohol, etc) - I would hope that we could reach consensus that pot is not a positive for training, but apparently we can't even agree on that...

[BigCorey75]

Yes we do.

Still not sure why.

I mean I know some of my buddies are a way bigger threat to society while drunk than high.

I dont smoke for personal reasons just inhaling smoke is not fun for me so i choose not to, i dont pass judgment on anyone who does.

Plus if Unoly, got that lean while smoking pot for that long


cant be that bad...lol

[Hockey66]

All this and not one line on topic...

(edit) Let me just add this to try to keep things ON topic - folks, EVERYTHING truly is interconnected. Take it from someone who's been around for a while - your body can only take so much abuse, negligence, or overwork. If it's not helping your recovery, it's probably hurting it. The thread is not about what's worse (fast food, alcohol, etc) - I would hope that we could reach consensus that pot is not a positive for training, but apparently we can't even agree on that...

It may be negative if you get high as a kite before training, but other than that it's definitely more of a positive than negative, neutral at worst. Having been cursed with a tiny appetite it definitely helped me in that regard while bulking up, and getting adequate rest. I've always had trouble getting to sleep and pot helps that substantially.

As far as negatives are concerned, I can't think of anything besides lung damage from inhaling combusted organic matter. If you're worried about that, eat or vaporize. It only makes you lazy if you're lazy by nature, ala blazing instead of going to the gym or going to work. It only makes you binge eat if you have no willpower whatsoever, just look at Unholy's transformation smoking weed every day.

[Nik00117]

Yes we do.

Not as much as it used too.

[d'Anconia]

Haven't read the entire thread but suffice to say that I think the effects of MJ on weight training gains is minimal. Now if you're high WHILE training then that's a whole different question I would think.

There are far more important variables with regards to gains than whether someone is smoking marijuana or not. In fact if smoking MJ helps you get your sleep so you're well rested and can lift hard the next day then who's to say it couldn't help?

With that said just remember all good things in moderation. Don't spend your entire day on the couch watching TV just cuz you're high as a kite.

[BumperPlate]

Haven't read the entire thread but suffice to say that I think the effects of MJ on weight training gains is minimal. Now if you're high WHILE training then that's a whole different question I would think.

There are far more important variables with regards to gains than whether someone is smoking marijuana or not. In fact if smoking MJ helps you get your sleep so you're well rested and can lift hard the next day then who's to say it couldn't help?

With that said just remember all good things in moderation. Don't spend your entire day on the couch watching TV just cuz you're high as a kite.

Good points, but when you're young any "bad" thing you do to your body and mind seem minimal. Once you get older it all takes it's toll and recovery is not so easy.. If your goals are to be an elite PL, win Mr. O, or compete at the highest level then smoking pot will have a negative effect and will weaken you mentally; otherwise, it's your life to enjoy how you want.....

Example: There are great basketball and football player who have smoked dope, but the GREATEST, Jordan, Johnson, Bird ??? Never. It's a weakness.

[Mercuryblade]

Example: There are great basketball and football player who have smoked dope, but the GREATEST, Jordan, Johnson, Bird ??? Never. It's a weakness.

I have a heard time believing that.

[Sensei]

It may be negative if you get high as a kite before training, but other than that it's definitely more of a positive than negative, neutral at worst. Having been cursed with a tiny appetite it definitely helped me in that regard while bulking up, and getting adequate rest. I've always had trouble getting to sleep and pot helps that substantially.You are treating symptoms rather than root causes. If it works for you, great. Eventually, if you don't treat the causes, you might have to find something else to help you cope... or you just might not need it anymore - only time will tell.

As far as negatives are concerned, I can't think of anything besides lung damage from inhaling combusted organic matter. If you're worried about that, eat or vaporize. It only makes you lazy if you're lazy by nature, ala blazing instead of going to the gym or going to work. It only makes you binge eat if you have no willpower whatsoever, just look at Unholy's transformation smoking weed every day.
Lung damage is not going to concern an otherwise healthy 18 year old - I get that. But, time and experience may give you some perspective on negatives and positives and willpower...
Unholy's experience will NOT be the norm - holding it up as a testament to the safety of weed is sheer nonsense.

[Unholy]

I'mma chime in here and say that Sensei, even though you call yourself a "marijuana nazi" I agree with a lot of what you have to say. I know plenty of people that started smoking in high school and are sitting in their parents basements now getting high 5 years later. But I also have to acknowledge the fact that I have dozens of friends and family members who smoke on a daily basis and are completely successful individuals. Herb has an unfortunate negative stigma surrounding it. I had been used responsibly for thousands of years and its only been in recent history where it was labeled as "bad" or "wrong". We took it too far with all the reefer madness propaganda. People just need to educate themselves more and make an informed choice. Personally I never liked to drink and only do so a few times a year. Herb hasn't really held me back in any aspect of life. It's simply something I personally enjoy. ESPECIALLY after a good workout. 4/5 times thats when I light up. '

[Sensei]

Thank you Unholy.

For what it's worth, except for the possible legal consequences, I am no more 'against' marijuana than I am 'against' alcohol or any other drug, even caffeine.

[d0rkyd00d]

Carl Sagan enjoyed it, and even benefited from it......

[Sensei]

Carl Sagan enjoyed it, and even benefited from it......
Really? How much could he squat?

[d0rkyd00d]

Really? How much could he squat?

Do not ask questions to which you do not know the answer.

[Off Road]

Still not sure why.

I've seen the negatives that drug alchohol abuse can bring. I have yet to see the positives. There is a possible exception for medical conditions, but then it can be issued by a doctor.

[d0rkyd00d]

I've seen the negatives that drug alchohol abuse can bring. I have yet to see the positives. There is a possible exception for medical conditions, but then it can be issued by a doctor.

The word "abuse" has a negative connotation that implies no upside. It's clear from that statement alone why you've seen no "positives."

[twm]

I've seen the negatives that drug alchohol abuse can bring. I have yet to see the positives. There is a possible exception for medical conditions, but then it can be issued by a doctor.

keyword is abuse. lots of people function drinking and/or smoking on the weekends and lead a life you would never suspect. anything one allows to consume their life will result unfavorably... whether it be pot, alcohol, video games, cars, prescription drugs etc. moderation and balance is what is important.

[galileo]

I've seen the negatives that drug alchohol abuse can bring. I have yet to see the positives. There is a possible exception for medical conditions, but then it can be issued by a doctor.

Your major flaw is mixing alcohol and marijuana in a similar league. There is absolutely no comparison between the two and being myopic is not a good enough reason to keep an opinion without grounds.

[tomv]

Do not ask questions to which you do not know the answer.

Sorry what?

Are you kidding?

[Sensei]

Ah, it's okay Tom. I'm sure that d0rkyd00d knows more about the host of "Cosmos" than I do. Maybe he was a monster in the gym...

http://www.wired.com/images/article/full/2007/12/carl_sagan_500px.jpg

Who knew?!?

[tomv]

I was more interested by the logic of his question...

"Do not ask questions to which you do not know the answer"

Sorry but doesn't that often defeat the purpose of asking a question in the first place?

[d'Anconia]

Good points, but when you're young any "bad" thing you do to your body and mind seem minimal. Once you get older it all takes it's toll and recovery is not so easy.. If your goals are to be an elite PL, win Mr. O, or compete at the highest level then smoking pot will have a negative effect and will weaken you mentally; otherwise, it's your life to enjoy how you want.....

Example: There are great basketball and football player who have smoked dope, but the GREATEST, Jordan, Johnson, Bird ??? Never. It's a weakness.

I'll agree that age might make a bit of a difference in how MJ affects people but guys let us not forget this:

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I don't know how often he was smoking but if he was world champ while smoking fairly frequently then it's fairly safe, in my book at least, to say that weed's physiological effects on gains are minimal.

PS For the record I have smoked plenty of weed in my life but now hardly ever touch it. I get kinda anxious and paranoid while high which can be very not-fun.

[d0rkyd00d]

Ah, it's okay Tom. I'm sure that d0rkyd00d knows more about the host of "Cosmos" than I do. Maybe he was a monster in the gym...

He was an intellectual giant, and one of the greatest scientists of our generation in terms of bringing a better understanding of science to the public.

I can just imagine somebody running up to him and sticking their tongue out, bragging about how they can squat more than him. What an accomplishment. They're so comparable.

I was responding to the point about successful people in general, but I'm sure you knew that. And hey, even if you didn't, at least you can squat more than me.

[Sensei]

He was an intellectual giant, and one of the greatest scientists of our generation in terms of bringing a better understanding of science to the public.

I can just imagine somebody running up to him and sticking their tongue out, bragging about how they can squat more than him. What an accomplishment. They're so comparable.

I was responding to the point about successful people in general, but I'm sure you knew that. And hey, even if you didn't, at least you can squat more than me.
I never said someone could not be highly successful using marijuana. If you've been reading my posts, you should have noticed that I've been trying to keep things somewhere close to the realm of training. Your post about Carl Sagan was so 'out there' that I decided to poke a little fun at it.

You need to relax buddy. Smoke a joint if necessary.

[hairyback40k]

I have a confession to make.... I'm a smoker :omg:

thing is, I haven't had one in months.

You see, I'm very busy nowadays. I have meetings and appointments and places to go and gifts to buy and animals to feed.

Pot used to be a problem, but that was when I had no life. Pot was all I had to worry about. Now, there are obstacles to face. Things to overcome.

At the end of the day it's good to have a real feed then go to bed. When I wake up, I'm ready to face a new dawn.

There's no smoke on the horizon... but if I sit here wondering about it... hmm!:idea: :drooling:

[d0rkyd00d]

I never said someone could not be highly successful using marijuana. If you've been reading my posts, you should have noticed that I've been trying to keep things somewhere close to the realm of training. Your post about Carl Sagan was so 'out there' that I decided to poke a little fun at it.

You need to relax buddy. Smoke a joint if necessary.

I wasn't responding to your posts, I was responding to those not related to training. That's why I found your posts to be unnecessary. Either way, it's difficult to read tonality online, so my apologies for not responding appropriately to the joke.

[Bodyguard]

Wow, all my freinds smoke pot.
I told theme if they want a good holesome ass whoopin, then try to sell me some.

I find it quite easy to go through life without the use mind altering thingys.

[hagus]

I used to smoke occasionally, then every day, now maybe once a month, this is over the last 20 years, can't say i've seen it effect my training at any point. Work, money, relationships on the other hand....

Different strokes for different folks I reckon :nod:

[hagus]

Wholesome by the way.

[hagus]

I find it quite easy to go through life without the use mind altering thingys.

I don't ''need'' to do anything. I choose to do things,

[Mercuryblade]

I find it quite easy to go through life without the use mind altering thingys.

All 17 years of it.

[galileo]

All 17 years of it.

Don't discount what he has to say so easily, MB. He's "toned" so he has a lot to offer.

[CyrusJax]

lawl.

Weed is ok in moderation, the key word is moderation! The problem is its quite easy to get 'addicted'.
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[method115]

lawl.

Weed is ok in moderation, the key word is moderation! The problem is its quite easy to get 'addicted'.
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It's funny I've done all kinds of drugs and I've never really found any of them to be easily addicting. It all just gets old after a while to me at least. I've noticed with all of my friends who became addicts later in life already displayed that sort of personality to begin with.

[Mercuryblade]

It's funny I've done all kinds of drugs and I've never really found any of them to be easily addicting. It all just gets old after a while to me at least. I've noticed with all of my friends who became addicts later in life already displayed that sort of personality to begin with.

It's unique to the person. Someone like me would never get addicted to something like cocaine, speed, meth, etc. I take perscribed uppers every day, and love it when I don't have to take them, I don't even like caffeine.

Something like heroin, painkillers, etc. I could probably get addicted to.

[MonsterZero]

the drummer in my band is champion powerlifter in his weightclass (i think he's about 190lbs) and he smokes pretty much every day.

Like others have said, it really is an issue of excess. Smoking a bowl before you go to bed isn't going to effect your gains, whereas passing blunts between your friends the moment you wake up will. I would even say smoking crack "in moderation" won't hurt your gains, but who really smokes crack in moderation? Nobody.

[Songsangnim]

I'll agree that age might make a bit of a difference in how MJ affects people but guys let us not forget this:

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I don't know how often he was smoking but if he was world champ while smoking fairly frequently then it's fairly safe, in my book at least, to say that weed's physiological effects on gains are minimal.

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This conclusion does not follow. Arnold's genetic gifts and drug intake could have more than compensated for any negative effects that MJ had on him.

[ThomasG]

Damn pot heads, winning Mr.Olympia, breaking world records 'n *****.

[Brawl]

Never lifted high on pot only heroin , blow and meth .

[Nik00117]

I wouldn't lift high, just stupid IMHO.

I don't got an issue with poeple smoking, I smoke as well from time to time.

I think Marajuana is alright, nothing wrong with it.