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tryme
09-26-2009, 11:10 AM
I've been reading the article on nutrient timing and i'm quite lost (here's the article for those who haven't read http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-nutrition/nutrient-timing-when-science-and-marketing-collide/ ). I was always told to consume my protein shake within 15-30 minutes after a work out but the article says about an hour after. I'm also confused about the pre workout timing. When is it best to have a meal and or a shake?

cphafner
09-26-2009, 12:54 PM
Nutrient Timing
http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-nutrition/nutrient-timing-when-science-and-marketing-collide/

tryme
09-26-2009, 02:13 PM
thats the link i just posted mate. Thats what im asking about.

cphafner
09-26-2009, 02:37 PM
sorry, didn't read your post, just saw the title! Try here. The author has been posting and might respond.
http://www.wannabebig.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126839

With that said, I think it pretty plainly states to eat one hour before out.
A meal comprised of protein, carbohydrate, and even fat (which doesn’t affect insulin nearly as much as you’ve been told) consumed approximately one hour prior to training will provide the necessary insulin and substrates to both maximise anabolism and prevent catabolism (11, 12,13).

tryme
09-26-2009, 02:54 PM
Yeah i'm more concerned about after wards. When to have my shake.

Daniel Roberts
09-27-2009, 01:48 PM
Thanks for your interest in the article Tryme and I was going to write you out a big reply, but on reflection, I'd only re-write the salient points that can already be found in that article.

But, although the above might not be what you want to hear, the answers you seek, really are in the piece I wrote. That said, if you can tell me what your calorie intake (and macro-nutrient breakdown) is per day and how you tend to eat (meal frequency and workout time) then I'll give you a template to work from.

If you'd rather not, then your pre-workout meal (if you choose to eat one) should either be a wholefood meal approx 1hr before training, or a liquid supplement approx 30min before training (those timings are for no other reason than to prevent gastric distress during training).

These nutrients will be in your bloodstream, during and after the session, so it is no national emergency if you don't get your post-training shake in that '15-30min'.

If you want to, then do so, if you don't then don't.

The important message is that you consistently hit your requirement for calories, (protein, fat and carbohydrate), day in and day out, the timing of those meals is of secondary importance.

tryme
09-27-2009, 02:44 PM
Thank you for the reply.

A calorie calculator has said that I need 2317 calories a day. I would say I am consuming around that if not a bit more. I'm not sure how to work out my macro-nutrient break down, sorry. I am currently working on starting strength which I usually do around 2 in the afternoon which is every other day (as i'm sure you know) and no lifting on the weekend, although I do alot of cardio such as jogging for 2 miles each night or at least every other night. I usually eat the 3 big meals breakfast, lunch and dinner and I sometimes snack inbetween.

Daniel Roberts
09-28-2009, 02:55 AM
In my opinion you're putting the cart before the horse, you're looking for answers to questions that you don't need to be asking.

Before you worry about when to consume a pre or post workout shake (whatever that may be) you need to concern yourself with not 'usually eating 3 big meals and sometimes a snack in-between' but finding out your calorie intake (which consists of your predetermined protein, carb and fat intake) and always eating it, irrespective of timing.

By the end of every day and every week you need to know that you have eaten the required amounts of Protein, carbs and fat, not 'sometimes', not 'mostly' but 'always'.

Getting bigger, getting stronger, isn't a 2 week trip, it's an odyssey, you commit to it, for years, not months, with consistent and progressive training and consistent eating and when you do, you are rewarded.

Read the following article -

http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-nutrition/to-bulk-or-to-cut-that-is-the-question-or-is-it/

Not necessarily to workout your required intake, you say you already have, but more for how to split that into your protein, carbohydrate and fat intake.

To keep track of your intake once you've determined it, take a look at fitday.com

Any more questions feel free to ask.

tryme
09-28-2009, 04:27 AM
Damn this is a lot to take in in such a short space of time. One thing I have done is right down EVERYTHING I have eaten and drunk in the past week and I was amazed how much crap i've eaten. I've also got a schedule for when I hit my weights and do cardio work etc. I don't know how to work out how many calories I need a day or week though.

Daniel Roberts
09-28-2009, 04:48 AM
Ok good effort on creating that log, the answers you need are in those two articles. Read and re-read - with regards food intake and timing both articles are about as simple as it gets with regards the approaches they recommend.

You don't mention any goals, you need to set some and work towards them, give your efforts a purpose.

Again, if you have a specific question, feel free to ask.

tryme
09-28-2009, 06:05 AM
It might sound a bit vague and simple but i'm a short guy i'm 5 foot 5 i'm quite skinny although have a bit of a pot belly. I want to get bigger for obvious reasons and feel good about myself. I just want to be muscley. I don't want to be "that short guy" any more I want to be known as the short stocky guy lol.