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Polish Hammer
10-06-2009, 10:34 AM
I figured Id put this in the PL thread since thats where I want the feedback from. In April I was diagnosed with an umbilical Hernia. No big deal, the doc says it was the size of a pea and Ive had no problems with it at all. Well, over the last 2-3 weeks Ive had a growing pain in the groin and scrotal region. I went to the doc today and what do ya know? Ive got an Inguinal Hernia he size of a nickel. He says I can train, but at what level is up to me. I still want to compete the next 4-5 years (Im 36), and am leary now on whether I can train at 100%. The concern is that it will become bigger and I'll be at risk for intestinal or bowel strangulation. He says that usually doesnt happen, but theres a chance. Surgery is an option, but Im wondering if Id be any better off than If I wait a few years? So my question is if anyone out there has continually powerlifted with an Unguinal hernia and how soon did you notice it progressing. Im pretty messed up about this as training is alot of my life. I dont want to stop powerlifting and cant imagine life without it. Thanks guys.

thegreatone
10-06-2009, 03:45 PM
I figured Id put this in the PL thread since thats where I want the feedback from. In April I was diagnosed with an umbilical Hernia. No big deal, the doc says it was the size of a pea and Ive had no problems with it at all. Well, over the last 2-3 weeks Ive had a growing pain in the groin and scrotal region. I went to the doc today and what do ya know? Ive got an Inguinal Hernia he size of a nickel. He says I can train, but at what level is up to me. I still want to compete the next 4-5 years (Im 36), and am leary now on whether I can train at 100%. The concern is that it will become bigger and I'll be at risk for intestinal or bowel strangulation. He says that usually doesnt happen, but theres a chance. Surgery is an option, but Im wondering if Id be any better off than If I wait a few years? So my question is if anyone out there has continually powerlifted with an Unguinal hernia and how soon did you notice it progressing. Im pretty messed up about this as training is alot of my life. I dont want to stop powerlifting and cant imagine life without it. Thanks guys.

If you get it repaired, what are you out? 6 weeks? If it really has you concerned get it fixed take a few weeks off and get back after it. A few weeks in the grand scheme of things isn't going to kill you.

Lones Green
10-06-2009, 03:49 PM
If you get it repaired, what are you out? 6 weeks? If it really has you concerned get it fixed take a few weeks off and get back after it. A few weeks in the grand scheme of things isn't going to kill you.

I agree. Mike a hernia surgery doesn't put you out for a year or anything like that.

And what makes you think you have to stop competing after 5 years? The strongest powerlifters I know are 45 or so

martin
10-06-2009, 04:03 PM
My advice get it fixed. I had one (umbilical) around 3 years ago and it's been great since surgery. Took around 5 weeks before I was lifting anything again though.

It's strong as an ox now and is pain free :)

Polish Hammer
10-06-2009, 06:30 PM
Thanks guys. Im considering it. I may wait til the new year though. Im gonna push through it for now and see where it goes. And Lones, You may be right. For some reason I always thought 40 would be time to start thinking more about health. But Ive got way too many strength goals to quit soon. Maybe Im on a 10 year plan..haha

KarstenDD
10-06-2009, 06:32 PM
Ask Vincent.

Polish Hammer
10-06-2009, 06:34 PM
Ask Vincent.

Big Vin! Where are you?

Polish Hammer
10-08-2009, 07:16 AM
Squatted heavy yesterday and felt OK. But today not so good. Im considering going bench only for awhile until I can get this repaired. Im wondering if leg pressing will be less stressfull on the area as far as just trying to keep some size/strength? As far as deadlifting goes, thats out too. I could probably still train optimally but I need to slow down the progress of this damn thing. Any suggestions on how to incorporate different movements to keep my lower half on par?

Lones Green
10-08-2009, 09:56 AM
Squatted heavy yesterday and felt OK. But today not so good. Im considering going bench only for awhile until I can get this repaired. Im wondering if leg pressing will be less stressfull on the area as far as just trying to keep some size/strength? As far as deadlifting goes, thats out too. I could probably still train optimally but I need to slow down the progress of this damn thing. Any suggestions on how to incorporate different movements to keep my lower half on par?

Do leg curls every day, GHR's

Polish Hammer
10-08-2009, 10:57 AM
Do leg curls every day, GHR's

Everyday? Damn. I was thinking twice a week.lol

Polish Hammer
10-09-2009, 11:03 AM
Got an appt with a surgeon next Wed.

Polish Hammer
10-14-2009, 02:40 PM
Update:

Went to a sports injury specialist. No Hernia. Groin pull. I am beyond happy with this news. My Doctor is a quack.

NordicMan
10-14-2009, 04:34 PM
I had a groin pull or strain a couple of months ago, anyway. I went to a surgeon, who examined me as well as he could because I was sensitive. He questioned closely and decided I had a groin injury, not a hernia..

But he said it may take more time to heal than if I had a hernia and had it operated on. He said it may take 6 months. It did not take that long.

I don't mean to discourage you. What I had to do was to follow the advice of the surgeon(who used to work out for football on a college level), and my doctor(who is favourable to sport), and my urologist(married a track star), and that was stop irritating my injury, rest it. Doesn't mean that you cannot get some exercise for it. That link you had on groin injuries and the stretches, all of those I found helpful. I also would do hindu squats, although I had to lay off from much exercise for several weeks, as I would just prolong my difficulties.

Soon you will be back to where you would like to be, and you will have gained in learning.

Polish Hammer
10-14-2009, 05:18 PM
I had a groin pull or strain a couple of months ago, anyway. I went to a surgeon, who examined me as well as he could because I was sensitive. He questioned closely and decided I had a groin injury, not a hernia..

But he said it may take more time to heal than if I had a hernia and had it operated on. He said it may take 6 months. It did not take that long.

I don't mean to discourage you. What I had to do was to follow the advice of the surgeon(who used to work out for football on a college level), and my doctor(who is favourable to sport), and my urologist(married a track star), and that was stop irritating my injury, rest it. Doesn't mean that you cannot get some exercise for it. That link you had on groin injuries and the stretches, all of those I found helpful. I also would do hindu squats, although I had to lay off from much exercise for several weeks, as I would just prolong my difficulties.

Soon you will be back to where you would like to be, and you will have gained in learning.

Thanks for the info man. I appreciate it. How long before you were back to heavy squatting?

vdizenzo
10-14-2009, 07:51 PM
Glad you are ok. I had a hernia surgery, but mine was umbilical. I waited until it was strangulated. I was out of lifting for a month. My body was thankful. The surgery has held up well. If something is broke, I get it fixed.

NordicMan
10-14-2009, 07:56 PM
Well, I am still working back to what strength I had. It was quite frustrating, however, necessary. For me, about the time my right side started to respond to the rest/stretch/light exercise, I got pain on the left, some masculine plumbing problems that arose, to where I couldn't walk normally, and I am still on antibiotics for it, and this was more painful than the strain. So that was similar counsel from the doctors to me. Hold up man, you are struck down. Let yourself heal So altogether about four months. I am still rebuilding.

For you it can be a time of learning about your body, and strengthening yourself in ways that you may not have known of.

The exercise I found best to help the groin/adductors was to lie upon my back, and to raise legs, and do a scissors type of move, not necessarily crossing your feet, but let the feet meet. It is a simple exercise, but it helps me. I have had groin strains before, and I realised this time that I have a weakness that needed cure, as this had happened before in life. So perhaps you have some weakness/need for strengthening. Stretches are real good. I liked that last one of the four in that link in another thread, I believe you were the one who put up that link, but it was where you are doing like a sideways lunge, down to a deep full squatting position on one leg, with the other leg straightened out. A sideways lunge. Good for the groin. It both stretches you, as you do it slowly, and also you do strengthening. I think skiers use this exercise. I also did forward lunges, as I felt myself able to.

That duck walk, like Eric Heiden the gold medalist(five golds in 1980)skater did, those are good too, but try them out easily. He had legs like a lot of bodybuilders would have liked to have had.

In any event, you are stuck in this place in life, and if you find some good remedial exercises, it will help you, as you patiently and diligently apply yourself, in good work, it will benefit you and give you pleasure. You will be upon the course of mending and strength that you desire.

Polish Hammer
10-15-2009, 05:31 AM
Glad you are ok. I had a hernia surgery, but mine was umbilical. I waited until it was strangulated. I was out of lifting for a month. My body was thankful. The surgery has held up well. If something is broke, I get it fixed.

Damn Vin, it was actually strangulated? What were the symptoms of that? I have an Umbilical one thats the size of a pea right now. The doc said to just keep an eye on it.

vdizenzo
10-15-2009, 06:50 AM
Damn Vin, it was actually strangulated? What were the symptoms of that? I have an Umbilical one thats the size of a pea right now. The doc said to just keep an eye on it.

It popped out of my belly button about an inch and it hurt like hell. When I was lying on the dr's table he told me he had to push it back in to check on something. I told him I was going to punch him in the face. The surgery was quick and easy. I am a very good patient and allow things to heal well. I barely left my bed for a full week to help speed up recovery.

Polish Hammer
10-15-2009, 07:34 AM
It popped out of my belly button about an inch and it hurt like hell. When I was lying on the dr's table he told me he had to push it back in to check on something. I told him I was going to punch him in the face. The surgery was quick and easy. I am a very good patient and allow things to heal well. I barely left my bed for a full week to help speed up recovery.

Yeah man, When I got diagnosed for the umbilical one my doc said to lay down. He put his finger in my bellybutton and said "do a situp". Damn that hurt.! Friend of mine told me to take a piece of cloth and shove it in the bellybutton, place a dime over it, and make an X with duct tape over it for when I bench. Right now theres no protrusion, but I may take that into account eventually. I figure, it couldnt be any worse than Big Mike Ruggiera's was......


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Brian C
10-15-2009, 08:17 AM
I used to be a big hockey player most of my life, but tore my groin playing about 7 years ago. I didn't have surgery from advisement of my doc, but turns out I needed it. I stillhave problems now and it really hampers any real raw squat or dl training. I wear a pair of inzer power pants just for the extra support in the groin area and they really help quit any pain.

JK1
10-18-2009, 11:16 AM
I blew out an umbilical hernia almost 4 years ago pulling linoleum up off my kitchen floor (go figure). When you have a hernia repair, there are several different ways that the surgery can be done. A mesh repair is the strongest, but it also is the highest risk for complications and supposedly is the most painful (becuase they are opening you up to put in the mesh). I made absolutely certian the surgeon knew what I was doing in the gym--I told him point blank I planned on squatting 900-1000 lbs some day, he had to fix it so that held up. I basically demanded the mesh repair because the hernia got larger while I was waited the month for surgery---I didn't stop training, I just popped it back into place and duct taped my belly button. I know its redneck, but that will work to hold things in place long as the duct tape holds. Make sure you wear a lifting belt over the tape.

I will say, recovery from that surgery was hands down the most painful surgery recovery I've ever had. I had some problems with abdominal cramps post surgery that took about 6 months total time to get over. Despite how bad it hurt, the hernia repair has held very well. I've put a few hundred lbs on my competition squat and bench since then and I'm not planning on looking back.

My advice? Get it fixed, don't dink around. Typically once the bodywall tear that causes a hernia occurs, its going to get worse with time. If its intestine poking through the hole and it strangulates, you can be in for a mess of problems.

JK1
10-18-2009, 11:18 AM
Friend of mine told me to take a piece of cloth and shove it in the bellybutton, place a dime over it, and make an X with duct tape over it for when I bench.

I made my post above and then it clicked what you wrote. I have to laugh. Duct tape is a wonderful thing...

Polish Hammer
10-19-2009, 07:43 AM
I made my post above and then it clicked what you wrote. I have to laugh. Duct tape is a wonderful thing...

That it is..

drmobley
10-19-2009, 02:30 PM
i have a midline abdominal hernia that I have been putting off for over a year. When it protrudes, it is barely visible, but sure hurts. My MD said they could do it laproscopic and pull the tissue back in and squirt in some concrete mixture that would help keep it from reoccurring. I can work out fine...the only time mine bothers me is when I eat too much, which is probably why i still only weigh 190. I think i'll take a few days off of work and a good month off of heavy squat or deadlifts when i get mine done.

Polish Hammer
10-19-2009, 03:07 PM
i have a midline abdominal hernia that I have been putting off for over a year. When it protrudes, it is barely visible, but sure hurts. My MD said they could do it laproscopic and pull the tissue back in and squirt in some concrete mixture that would help keep it from reoccurring. I can work out fine...the only time mine bothers me is when I eat too much, which is probably why i still only weigh 190. I think i'll take a few days off of work and a good month off of heavy squat or deadlifts when i get mine done.

I know what you mean by the eating too much. Being bloated sucks with a hernia. The only time I feel my umbilical one is when Im benching or bloated.

drmobley
10-19-2009, 05:30 PM
Actually, when i first noticed mine, my MD couldn't feel it. So 6 months later I was in for something else and ask him to see if he could feel it then. He poked around for a while and then said oh yeh...now i feel it. then he stuck his *****in' finger in it and turned it in a semicircle and that really hurt! After that day, it has actually bothered me more. Nothing like stretching it out more for me. Doing a situp with the MDs finger in your belly button doesn't sound fun either. Actually, doing a situp in itself doesn't sound that fun. Good luck with yours.
Aaron