Be Careful Guys

[jAy_Dub]

I know some of you have seen my thread over on PM, but for those who havent I just want to make sure and get this out there so hopefully no one is ever in this situation like I am in right now.

Two days ago the drug task force showed up at my apartment around 9 am. They had a search warrant with my roommates name on it because supposedly he had sold some weed to an informant. I remember hearing a loud knock, and then two seconds later three cops standing at the entrance to my room. I was told to put a shirt on and then put in handcuffs.

Let me just tell you, I've never felt worse in my entire life. I was completely helpless, handcuffed sitting on my own couch while 5 cops searched every inch of my home. They found everything I had, which happened to be from a bulk order I done about a year back. I probably had enough stuff to last me 10 years, even at moderate amounts. They showed up looking for some weed, and left with bags full of gear. My roommate had a lousy 2 ounces and a scale. My point is, if any of you put yourselves in a situation with a possibility of having cops at your door, find a new stash spot. IT CAN HAPPEN TO YOU. Of course I never thought it would happen to me, but now I'm on the other end of things.

They found envelopes from overseas, threatening it was now a federal issue and that I was ****ed, and with the amount I had, I would be charged with posession with intent. I told him he was full of it and that I had a clean record, nothing would stick. The threats kept coming, and he told me I needed to cooperate and if I did, it would just be like we never met. I asked him what he meant, and he said that I would be set up with the Feds, and put in an order from my sources. He told me I had until Friday (tomorrow) to make a decision, and that if he didnt hear from me by then I would have a warrant out for my arrest by the end of next week. I'm sure as hell not about to go down as a snitch. I respect the guys doing what they do for us. Rats get what they have coming to them.

Well, thank God for the guys over on ProMuscle. They told me to contact Rick Collins, the "steroid lawyer" from Bigger Stronger Faster. Well I did, and I just got off the phone with him a couple hours ago. He hooked me up with a local criminal attorney who he has worked with in he past for guys in my area in similar situations.

So, like my mom always says, BE SAFE, AND ALWAYS BE ALERT.

[deeder]

Wow... That's crazy **** man. Does it matter that they searched all your stuff even though they were after your roommate? I hope it all works out for you...

[jed]

No, it doesn't matter, so long as they had a warrant for drug posession in the household they can search anywhere and everywhere within the household; and to my understanding, if they find another person in posession of something else they can still charge them, because they had a justifiable cause and warrant for the situation. I could be wrong, and it probably depends on where he lives, too.

Anyways, I'll bet with the lawyer you can all get things straightened out. He's right, though. They really can charge you with intent to distribute if you have an amount on hand like you described. Regardless of whether or not you really meant to or didn't mean to. Although, I wish you the best of luck. If things go awry in your case, appeal and take it to the next level. Out of all criminal cases, only 20 of 1000 end up being prosecuted with prison time.

[jAy_Dub]

Wow... That's crazy **** man. Does it matter that they searched all your stuff even though they were after your roommate? I hope it all works out for you...

Like jed said, I don't think it matters, but it definitely helps my case that they weren't originally there for me.


No, it doesn't matter, so long as they had a warrant for drug posession in the household they can search anywhere and everywhere within the household; and to my understanding, if they find another person in posession of something else they can still charge them, because they had a justifiable cause and warrant for the situation. I could be wrong, and it probably depends on where he lives, too.

Anyways, I'll bet with the lawyer you can all get things straightened out. He's right, though. They really can charge you with intent to distribute if you have an amount on hand like you described. Regardless of whether or not you really meant to or didn't mean to. Although, I wish you the best of luck. If things go awry in your case, appeal and take it to the next level. Out of all criminal cases, only 20 of 1000 end up being prosecuted with prison time.

If I didnt have a clean record, sure they could charge me with possession with intent. But like Rick told me, these cops are idiots, have probably never even seen steroids in their lifetime, and are just trying to scare me. He said the max penalty I would probably get is house arrest in my situation. The cop was threatening me with a minimum of 8 years in federal prison. He even said since it would be a federal issue that it wouldn't matter if I had a clean record. Then Rick told me it would be BETTER if it was held in the federal courts because at least they know what a little and a lot of steroids is. A state judge might think out of their own stupidity that the amount I had is considered a lot and give me a harsher penalty. Sure the amount I had would be considered a lot to the average person, but its on the low end of things. Collins really knows his ****, and he sure makes law enforcement seem like complete dumbasses.

[RBB]

damn, jay. i'm really sorry to hear about this, bro. i know you're a responsible guy and take the right precautions. it sucks to have that ruined by a dumbass roommate. i'm sure a lot of guys who read about this will learn from your situation, though. why didn't they just arrest you on the spot, though? i'm not understanding that one at all. good move getting in touch with Rick.

[jAy_Dub]

damn, jay. i'm really sorry to hear about this, bro. i know you're a responsible guy and take the right precautions. it sucks to have that ruined by a dumbass roommate. i'm sure a lot of guys who read about this will learn from your situation, though. why didn't they just arrest you on the spot, though? i'm not understanding that one at all. good move getting in touch with Rick.

I wonder the same thing man. I have no idea why my roommate or I wasnt arrested. Makes no sense to me at all.

[RBB]

any updates on this?

[jAy_Dub]

any updates on this?

Na not yet, but I'll let you know tomorrow after I meet with the lawyer Collins set me up with.

[Invain]

Wow man, that's terrible. Good luck with all the legal bull**** to come. Just reading that makes me rage beyond belief, goddamn I hate society. I would have probably had a heart attack right there on the couch due to extreme anger lol.

[dynamo]

what if it were locked in a safe? would they have just taken it and cut it open at the precinct?

[ZenMonkey]

Holy ****... Ive got my fingers crossed for you man.

[deeder]

I still can't get over the fact that it was your roommate that ****ed up and not you. He's an idiot and gets busted and it ends up ****ing you over too. I really hope you manage to get out of this cleanly. I read your thread over at PM and I'm glad you got hooked up with a good lawyer. That will make all the difference in the world, trust me, I know (it helps having an uncle who is a successful lawyer).

[cphafner]

I'm glad you got a lawyer. I know if will put you in a financial hole, but well worth it. Police will lie and **** you over all the time.

[jed]

If it does get you in financial trouble, I wouldn't doubt you could get recompensated by the state for wasting your time. With a case this small (compared to everything else) they would probably want to just recompensate and get it out of the way and worry about other things.

[jAy_Dub]

Heres the update.

Went in Monday and talked to the criminal defense attorney Collins recommended for my area. He called the cop that gave me his card and told him I wouldn't be cooperating. Now we're just waiting for the cops to make a move and decide what they're going to try and charge me with. He told me that hopefully the drug task force will get input from someone who actually knows something about steroids, since the amount I had could be considered personal use. The ONLY fact that they could try and charge me with intent would be based on the amount I had. There would be nothing else that would give them any reason to think I was selling it. Other than the prices he menioned, which he said would range from $7500-$10k if they were charging me with a felony ($4-$5k for a misdemeanor charge), I felt a lot better after talking with him. Unfortunately that changed last night.

It was 9 pm, me and my roommate were relaxing watching some tv. We hear a loud knock, the only type of knock the police would do. We both look at each other and knew right away it was a pig. So I get up and tiptoe down our long hallway that leads to my door. I look out the peep hole and see one female dressed in uniform. My heart starts beating a million miles a minute. My roommate stands up and starts walking towards me as I signal to him its the cops and to get back. I sneak into my room and hide out for a couple minutes and listen to her knock four times.

I dont know why they were there. My roommate's lawyer told him to call the cop and let him know he wasnt cooperating either. He called, but got no answer. I'm thinking they might be out for him since he was never in contact with the cop officially, or they could just be pulling a major dick move by not letting my lawyer know whats up and coming to arrest me as well. I will have to go to jail at some point, but it was suppose to be a time that we both arrange and that I agree to. I dont know how long they will hold me, but I really dont want to pay bail if it will only be for a day or two. Thats an extra $1000 I can use right now.

So, thats all for now. Its about time for me to start my hide out for the night considering they will most likely be back. Hopefully I can keep the updates coming and not end up in jail anytime soon....

[jed]

Wow, dude. That totally blows hardcore. Best of luck to you man, please keep us updated as much as you can.

[Sidior]

Gl with it all man. Pretty much the worst luck ever.

[JSully]

****ty situation dude..

Were you mid-cycle? PCT's gotta be a bitch now if-so...

[jAy_Dub]

****ty situation dude..

Were you mid-cycle? PCT's gotta be a bitch now if-so...

I was 12 weeks in actually, so pretty much a full cycle. I was planning on staying on until I was shredded to the bone since I've been getting some pretty crazy results since I started working with Alex Azarian. They took all of my pct stuff obviously, but that whole situation should be taken care of by saturday and I can start recovering fully.

[deeder]

Hiding out when the cops come to your door? Man, I would say open the door... You have nothing more to hide and if they know you're in there and they are there to make an arrest you might end up getting charged with resisting arrest or something stupid.

[KarlMarx]

Sometimes, I know everybody says it, but its true: don't they have something better to do? Guys lifting in the gym and potentially giving themselves health problems down the road isn't any worse than a guy sitting on the couch eating chips and giving himself potential health problems down the road....If in fact there will be any problems. You have already had to deal with too much hell for this. Isn't there a rapist or something they can go beat down?

[jAy_Dub]

Hiding out when the cops come to your door? Man, I would say open the door... You have nothing more to hide and if they know you're in there and they are there to make an arrest you might end up getting charged with resisting arrest or something stupid.

I very highly doubt that would happen, considering the only way they would know I was in there is if they are watching me, and there's no way they are. But even if they did try getting me with something like that, at this point that would be the least of my worries lol.


Sometimes, I know everybody says it, but its true: don't they have something better to do? Guys lifting in the gym and potentially giving themselves health problems down the road isn't any worse than a guy sitting on the couch eating chips and giving himself potential health problems down the road....If in fact there will be any problems. You have already had to deal with too much hell for this. Isn't there a rapist or something they can go beat down?

Cops in my area dont have anything better to do. They literally bust people with a bag of weed, and actually take the time (and $$$) to try and scare them into giving up names. Thats how bad it is around here, and most guys are such bitches that they actually give up a name over something so small as 3.5 grams of marijuana.

And come to find out last night, we're pretty positive we know the guy who is the reason for all of this. My lawyer had told me that if someone snitched, it would have been only a couple days prior to the search warrant. I told my roommate this and he only knew of one guy who it could have been. We looked online at the court records website, looked up his name, and he has a long list of violations over the past couple years, a true **** up. Well, it turns out he has a recent probation violation, and an entry that said something about compliance on the EXACT same date as the entry under my roommates name for the search warrant.

[jAy_Dub]

i found out some more bad news yesterday. i have two warrants out for my arrest and my bail is $33,000. i wont be turning myself in for atleast a week considering i have classes until the end of the week and i'll be out of state for a couple days for a family related wedding. it sure as hell isnt looking too good at this point.

[Cirino83]

damn that whole situation just sucks and is REALLY bad luck. Since they know where you live can't they just pick you up without you turning yourself in?


I also suggest getting a new roommate when this is squared away

[jed]

Jesus, that is ridiculous. You're in Ames is that correct? (Iowa State?) Good Christ man, didn't know the blokes over there were that much of dickheads.

[jAy_Dub]

damn that whole situation just sucks and is REALLY bad luck. Since they know where you live can't they just pick you up without you turning yourself in?


I also suggest getting a new roommate when this is squared away

They've been knocking multiple times a week... Its probably only a matter of time before they get some keys from our landlord and let themselves in. As for my roommate goes, I'll be graduating in May (as long as this **** doesnt **** my plans up) and getting the hell out of this town.

[cphafner]

That sucks jay. Can you call them up and arrange a time to turn yourself in? Explain you have class?

[RBB]

They've been knocking multiple times a week... Its probably only a matter of time before they get some keys from our landlord and let themselves in. As for my roommate goes, I'll be graduating in May (as long as this **** doesnt **** my plans up) and getting the hell out of this town.

since when do cops knock when they have a warrant for your arrest? i thought they could just enter at will at that point? a lot of the details of your situation just seem strange to me, jay. and not in a "i don't believe you" way. a lot of the things these cops are doing just seems off to me.

[twm]

Holy smokes, I just found this thread. jay, did you retain that lawyer? acting with him/her as your proxy, you can probably arrange a date and time to turn yourself in (during a semester break or something).

also, i thought they could enter at will with an arrest warrant. also, whats the harm in giving up an international pharmacy? there is no repercussion to them whatsoever -- they're not required to abide by US controlled substance laws. its not as if you receiving a package from overseas/wherever will cause a worldwide interpol manhunt....

anyways, best of luck!

[BFGUITAR]

Holy smokes, I just found this thread. jay, did you retain that lawyer? acting with him/her as your proxy, you can probably arrange a date and time to turn yourself in (during a semester break or something).

also, i thought they could enter at will with an arrest warrant. also, whats the harm in giving up an international pharmacy? there is no repercussion to them whatsoever -- they're not required to abide by US controlled substance laws. its not as if you receiving a package from overseas/wherever will cause a worldwide interpol manhunt....

anyways, best of luck!

I think the issue is that every other person who orders from that pharmacy will be screwed. Im not sure if he wants to do that.

[twm]

I think the issue is that every other person who orders from that pharmacy will be screwed. Im not sure if he wants to do that.yah. I certainly dont condone circumventing the laws around controlled substances or anything and I dont know enough about the law in this situation to start a debate. like I said, i wish you only the best possible outcome

[RBB]

I think the issue is that every other person who orders from that pharmacy will be screwed. Im not sure if he wants to do that.

i highly doubt it. what kind of info can Jay give them that they don't already know/have? you think LE doesn't know about the big international pharms on the net that most guys use? of course they do. all you need to do is a google search or visit any of the numerous boards that cater to AAS.

now i'm not saying rat on anybody, i don't agree with that. i'm just pointing out that LE is fully aware of the international pharms. and i'm talking names, countries of origin, the works. do not doubt that for one second.

[jAy_Dub]

since when do cops knock when they have a warrant for your arrest? i thought they could just enter at will at that point? a lot of the details of your situation just seem strange to me, jay. and not in a "i don't believe you" way. a lot of the things these cops are doing just seems off to me.

I agree man, ever since day one I've thought the way everything has been handled is just plain weird.


Holy smokes, I just found this thread. jay, did you retain that lawyer? acting with him/her as your proxy, you can probably arrange a date and time to turn yourself in (during a semester break or something).

also, i thought they could enter at will with an arrest warrant. also, whats the harm in giving up an international pharmacy? there is no repercussion to them whatsoever -- they're not required to abide by US controlled substance laws. its not as if you receiving a package from overseas/wherever will cause a worldwide interpol manhunt....

anyways, best of luck!

yes I have a lawyer, he just told me to get the bond money arranged, and go in early in the morning whenever I want, so that way I will meet with the judge right away (not have to spend the night) and then either pay the bail bondsman, or hopefully they will let me off on pre release trial, which is highly likely since I've never even been arrested before.


i highly doubt it. what kind of info can Jay give them that they don't already know/have? you think LE doesn't know about the big international pharms on the net that most guys use? of course they do. all you need to do is a google search or visit any of the numerous boards that cater to AAS.

now i'm not saying rat on anybody, i don't agree with that. i'm just pointing out that LE is fully aware of the international pharms. and i'm talking names, countries of origin, the works. do not doubt that for one second.

Exactly, the cop was just talking straight out off his ass. The feds dont give two ****s about me and the stuff I had. I'm nothing to them. Before they found the large amount I had (and only saw a vial or two) they told me they would want me to go in on a controlled buy off someone else. I sure as hell am not about to bust someone with steroids at the gym or whatever. Thats most likely what it would have came down to.

[jAy_Dub]

Wish me luck guys, and send some prayers my way. Tomorrow morning at 6 am I'm turning myself in. The plan is to be in at 6, get processed, and then meet a judge around 8:30 am, who hopefully decides that I'm not a threat to society and lets me out on pre release trial.

[DavyRen]

All the best Jay

[Detard]

Good luck dude, Hope this all works out for you

[RBB]

best of luck, jay. i hope this whole thing goes as smoothly as it can possibly go.

[jAy_Dub]

So now 5 hrs later I'm home. It went about as bad as it possibly could have. First, the judge kept all the charges the same, so my bond cost almost $3400. After I talked to the judge, I got some bastard cops who wouldnt give me my phone call. I was told 3 different times I could use the phone, and then when I would ask they would tell me no or to sit down. I said something to the other guys in my cell about how they were prick bastards, and I guess they heard me.

After I got bonded out and the cops told me I could go, the fat **** who wouldnt give me my phone call tells me "You're lucky you got bonded out cuz you would have been in that cell until 7 tonight when I get off, for calling me an *******". I really wanted to say a lot of things to his fat power tripping ass, but I kept my mouth shut.

I'm so pissed right now, I've lost all respect for authority. If this doesnt prove just how ****ed up our justice system is, then I dont know what does.

[Nicky]

It COULD have been worse. You could still be in there. Keep us posted. This is very interesting.

[platypus]

So what are your options at this point?

[twm]

probably strike a plea with the prosecutor.. big fine, supervised probation, misdemeanor conviction

****ty man. at least you didnt have to spend the night in a holding cell. that would be unpleasant. keep us posted

[jtrink]

That's real ****ty dude. I hope everything somehow works out in the end.

[slashkills]

that blows dude! I hope everything works out for you.

[Ant]

Dang just read all of this. Sorry to hear this Jay Dub. I know we all appreciate you sharing this with us. Ignorant cops piss me off, they think we pin and get high off the ***** and are addicts or something. How many body builders do you see living on the streets cause of addiction to steriods???
Err, makes me so angry!!! I really hope your lawyer fights hard for you bro.
Your in my prayers.

[Fighter_15]

If I'm not mistaken you should plead not guilty to the judge. This will not mean that you are asking for a trial it just means that you don't think you are guilty at the time. You should then be able to meet with the judge and prosecutor in a private meeting to work something out in order to avoid going to trial.

[View 1]

Hope everything works out for you, this whole situation is just unbelievable to me. I have no faith in the justice system in america ( Ill stop here as I could go on a very long personal rant ).

[gatorman2k6]

Before I say anything, I just want to state that I am not for or against steroid use. I've always felt it is a personal choice, so consider that when reading my comments. Although I do for sorry that this happened to you, a lot of people are saying stupid things. One, the police had every right to search your stuff. Two, the statement "intent to sell/distribute" has nothing to do with you, it has to do with the amount you have in possession. Three, whether they know about steroids or not, you had a 10 year supply? Four, it probably wasn't the smartest idea to call a cop names, even if he was being a dick. Finally, you will be given a chance to strike a plea and it sounds like you have a good lawyer, but don't think that just because this was your first offense that you should get off easy, if that was the case, we'd have a lot more drug dealers/rapists/murderers in society. Whether you agree or disagree with what I say, I don't really care, because that's your opinion. Either way, good luck with everything and I'm interested in your outcome.

[jAy_Dub]

Before I say anything, I just want to state that I am not for or against steroid use. I've always felt it is a personal choice, so consider that when reading my comments. Although I do for sorry that this happened to you, a lot of people are saying stupid things. One, the police had every right to search your stuff. Two, the statement "intent to sell/distribute" has nothing to do with you, it has to do with the amount you have in possession. Three, whether they know about steroids or not, you had a 10 year supply? Four, it probably wasn't the smartest idea to call a cop names, even if he was being a dick. Finally, you will be given a chance to strike a plea and it sounds like you have a good lawyer, but don't think that just because this was your first offense that you should get off easy, if that was the case, we'd have a lot more drug dealers/rapists/murderers in society. Whether you agree or disagree with what I say, I don't really care, because that's your opinion. Either way, good luck with everything and I'm interested in your outcome.

1. my lawyer even said if i had a lock on my door they wouldnt have a right to search my stuff since my name wasn't on the warrant
2. the amount i had is a lot to the average user, but no where near distribution status
3. bulk order prices are great
4. he was a low life county jail donut eating fat ass, big deal
5. glad to see i'm in the same category as drug dealers, rapists, and murderers :rolleyes:

[KarlMarx]

1. my lawyer even said if i had a lock on my door they wouldnt have a right to search my stuff since my name wasn't on the warrant
2. the amount i had is a lot to the average user, but no where near distribution status
3. bulk order prices are great
4. he was a low life county jail donut eating fat ass, big deal
5. glad to see i'm in the same category as drug dealers, rapists, and murderers :rolleyes:

Seriously, I don't feel as firmly about this as I do about many things but **** the police. Its been interesting transitioning between being a teenager and now being in my thirties and owning a business, etc. Cops call me sir and bend over to help before they followed me around and harassed me. Plus, I am a white guy in a hispanic area. Its so phony and discriminatory how people get treated. I'm not a better person than I was before. Just richer.

[KarlMarx]

Edit: not rich by any means. But I still have more now than then.

[Magilla]

What where the two warrants for?

[deeder]

1. my lawyer even said if i had a lock on my door they wouldnt have a right to search my stuff since my name wasn't on the warrant
2. the amount i had is a lot to the average user, but no where near distribution status
3. bulk order prices are great
4. he was a low life county jail donut eating fat ass, big deal
5. glad to see i'm in the same category as drug dealers, rapists, and murderers :rolleyes:

You mean you didn't have to murder and rape children to acquire those drugs? WTF!? My perception of steroid users is all messed up now!

Any more updates? When is your court date?

[Magilla]

I focus on contract law, but here is my take on the situation

1. The police had every right to take the steroids. They where conducting a lawful search warrant. Yeah, it was due to his roommate, but if during the course of a search they find contraband that is not listed in the warrant, they can lawfully seize the unlisted items.
2. Police enforce the law. At this point in time roids are illegal. If you want the police to "stop" pursing steroid users, change the law. How? Contact your congressmen. Educate congress. Bitching about cops won't do it.
3. If you participate in an illegal activtity **** like this will happen. Not to be harsh, but these are the consequences of taking an illegal substance and living with someone who deals. Wanna change it? Go to #2
4. You had two prior warrants. Those never should have made it to that point. That does not look good.
5. Some people are going off on the justice system in this country. Despite its flaws, it is the best and most fair in the world.
6. Cops are people too. There are some dickheads, and then their are some that are good people. I have found most cops will treat you right.
7. Rape or murder and roid use do not belong in the same sentence. Lumping roid users with this group of people is wrong.

JAy Dub, I wish you the best.

[slashkills]

I dont think he meant that roid use was as awful as rape and murder. But roids are illegal and the cops shouldnt take pity just because roids arent as bad as rape. Jay, hopefully this all works out ok for you.

[gatorman2k6]

I dont think he meant that roid use was as awful as rape and murder. But roids are illegal and the cops shouldnt take pity just because roids arent as bad as rape. Jay, hopefully this all works out ok for you.

Thanks Slash, that's what I meant.

[jAy_Dub]

You mean you didn't have to murder and rape children to acquire those drugs? WTF!? My perception of steroid users is all messed up now!

Any more updates? When is your court date?

I just finalized my lawyer this week. $10,000 up front. Right now we're just waiting for the paperwork for exactly what my charges are. I have a date set for dec. 13, which I think is to negotiate a plea arraignment.


I focus on contract law, but here is my take on the situation

1. The police had every right to take the steroids. They where conducting a lawful search warrant. Yeah, it was due to his roommate, but if during the course of a search they find contraband that is not listed in the warrant, they can lawfully seize the unlisted items.
2. Police enforce the law. At this point in time roids are illegal. If you want the police to "stop" pursing steroid users, change the law. How? Contact your congressmen. Educate congress. Bitching about cops won't do it.
3. If you participate in an illegal activtity **** like this will happen. Not to be harsh, but these are the consequences of taking an illegal substance and living with someone who deals. Wanna change it? Go to #2
4. You had two prior warrants. Those never should have made it to that point. That does not look good.
5. Some people are going off on the justice system in this country. Despite its flaws, it is the best and most fair in the world.
6. Cops are people too. There are some dickheads, and then their are some that are good people. I have found most cops will treat you right.
7. Rape or murder and roid use do not belong in the same sentence. Lumping roid users with this group of people is wrong.

JAy Dub, I wish you the best.

I agree with everything said here, but I dont understand what you mean by 2 prior warrants. They busted us, I told them I wasnt working for them, and then they put out two warrants for my arrest. I had to call the sheriffs office to find out about the warrants, I was never told about them. One was for all my charges (a class d felony, a class c felony, and 4 serious misdemeanors), and then the other warrant was for a paraphernalia charge.

[Magilla]

Sorry, my bad, I thought it was two prior warrants (ie b/4 you got busted). Keep us posted.

[Travis Bell]

Just a note here to all posting in this thread, this is NOT the place to discuss your stance on steroid use. Further posts such like that will be removed.

This thread is just for Jay to post how things go for him and his case.

[jbrin0tk]

I don't really have anything of substance to add to this, but if any of you read the Outlaws forum, Jay's original post and the one about LE sounded way too much like it came from one of the "bro" trolls on Outlaws lol.

Sorry to hear about your situation, Jay. I hope things work out for you.

[left hook]

Damn that sucks, I hope you get out of it but stop bashing the cops for doing their jobs.

[PHOENIX]

that sucks. sorry to hear about your drama you are dealing with.

Good luck and be safe is all i can say bro.

[jAy_Dub]

Another crazy story from the other day...

Me, my roommate, and our buddy are in the gym lifting. The main detective (the one who gave us his card and told us to call him) was there. When he had originally showed up at our place we told him he looked real familiar. I even mentioned seeing him at our gym, and he acted nervous to admit it he went there. He was there doing cardio. Well, I'm good with everything, but roommate is still trying to hold out on all of this through Christmas and New Years (stupid, I know). So I'm doing some DB presses and make eye contact a few times with him. We do some decline, flys, and I finish with some ab stuff and cardio. So we were there atleast 45 minutes while he was there. About 20 minutes after he had been doing the elliptical he goes into the locker room. My roommate mentions that hes probably calling back up, I completely blew it off, I figured they have better things to do and bigger things to worry about and that his job is done in all of this.

After we get lifting, we are leaving and hes walking toward me with his head down (wouldnt even look at me). I say whats up to him, and he asks me how I'm doing. We walk into the locker room and get dressed. As we're walking out into the parking lot a cop is pulling in. I tell my roommate to go to a near by restaurant and he gives me the keys to his car. Me and my other buddy jump into his car and watch the cop circle the parking lot. As we're backing out another cop pulls in and out comes the detective who busted us and starts talking to them looking around the lot. We get out and go a couple blocks away and pick up my roommate and we were gone.

If we would have walked out literally 10 seconds after we did the cop would have been directly in front and seen my roommate. It was like a scene from a movie or something. This detective must really want a promotion or something (hes a very young guy, upper 20's I'm sure). Too bad for him though, wasting more time and money trying to arrest a nobody. Again, my buddy was found with 2 ounces, that could easily be an amount for personal use for an avid smoker. I could understand if we were talking about harder drugs, but calling in 2 cops to our gym for a guy found with 2 ounces of weed and a scale, and couple pills of adderall? Give me a break.

[JJ33]

Did you ever think they were looking to score some aas?LOL You better watch your butt man.They must not have anything better to do.And i would have to take Left Hooks advice in being polite yes sir,no sir.Everybody likes to be treated with respect just like you.

[jAy_Dub]

I dont know when this thread turned into a lecture on me and my way with authority? I've treated everyone with respect through all of this except the guard who told me I couldnt have a phone call after I was told literally four times prior (him being one of them) that I would get one.

Just because I have my opinions about cops and authority doesnt mean I go screaming it to their face.

[twm]

have you discussed your plea options w/ your attorney at all?

[jAy_Dub]

have you discussed your plea options w/ your attorney at all?

No, not yet. Right now we're waiting for the "official" charges which will either be sent to me or my lawlyer by mail. Neither of us have recieved anything yet but once we do the next step will be a plea bargain. I'll let you know when I find something out.

[Hatred]

I'm sorry to hear that this is happening to you. I deal with cops on almost a daily basis at work and I"m fond of quite a few of them. You certainly get your ass hats though. I"ve cringed at the way some of them talk to my detainees or the way they talk about them like they aren't there.

This is probably big **** where you're from and is probably all these people are talking about. i highly doubt that there is anything better at the moment for them to do . LOL.

I sincerely hope that when this is all said and done that you walk away unscathed and the governing bodies waste their time and money.
Thank you for posting this here.
Let's all pray that some day we get sovereignty over our bodies and we live to see and enjoy it.
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[amz916]

Damn man I'm really sorry to hear this happened to you. I rescently got myself into trouble with the law too. Its a whole mess. I used to have a large quanity too sitting in my room but I got rid of it for that exact reason.

Make sure you're lawyer focuses on the fact that their warrent was for your roomate and they had no right to go through your personal property. My friend had a charge of half lb and an oz of cocaine but that case got dismissed because it was an illegal search. They went inside the house with no warrent while he was being processed in the station for a selling charge which is the only thing that remained. The large quanities of illegal drugs where thrown out and couldnt be used as evidence.

[JSully]

I never knew search warrants had to be specific. As far as I've always known, if a search warrant is obtained, they have the right to search the entire premises.

[jAy_Dub]

I never knew search warrants had to be specific. As far as I've always known, if a search warrant is obtained, they have the right to search the entire premises.

You're right on that. The only way that would have been an option out for me is if I would have had my door locked and told them they weren't allowed to search my room since my name wasnt on the warrant. Even then its still questionable though. Unfortunately for me, our doors dont have locks. We have these industrial style sliding oak doors instead with no way of locking them. Its too bad I didnt have a safe because I'm pretty sure that would fall under the same thing as locked doors.

[Hatred]

Perhaps that is something to take away from this for others.

[jAy_Dub]

Perhaps that is something to take away from this for others.

Yeah, that and I'd recommend ordering smaller amounts more frequently instead of holding onto large amounts all at once. Its worth the extra money to have to order more often than take the risk of getting caught with a lot. Also, I've learned that no matter how good of friends you are, no roommate is worth it if they put your in jeopardy in any way.

[Keith]

Merry Christmas to you, eh? Holy ****, dude. I just read this whole thing now.

[SecondSucks]

Hopefully everything pans out well for you man.

[jAy_Dub]

Merry Christmas to you, eh? Holy ****, dude. I just read this whole thing now.

Aah this happened a while ago, it definitely didn't affect my Christmas. Well, actually yeah, my present this year was a lawyer hahah

Congrats on the engagement btw! I'm sure it was a memorable Christmas for you.

[zen]

You're right on that. The only way that would have been an option out for me is if I would have had my door locked and told them they weren't allowed to search my room since my name wasnt on the warrant. Even then its still questionable though. Unfortunately for me, our doors dont have locks. We have these industrial style sliding oak doors instead with no way of locking them. Its too bad I didnt have a safe because I'm pretty sure that would fall under the same thing as locked doors.
I'm not so sure that's true. If you guys shared a signed co-contract for the rental, and the cops got a warrant for those premises, then restricting "your area" would probably not have protected you. The warrant were for the whole premises, and legally, you both share the property.

[jAy_Dub]

I'm not so sure that's true. If you guys shared a signed co-contract for the rental, and the cops got a warrant for those premises, then restricting "your area" would probably not have protected you. The warrant were for the whole premises, and legally, you both share the property.

Yeah, thats why I said even then its still questionable. It may have provided some sort of loophole to argue in court, but I'm not sure. Its just something my lawyer brought up.

[zen]

Yeah, thats why I said even then its still questionable. It may have provided some sort of loophole to argue in court, but I'm not sure. Its just something my lawyer brought up.

You gotta try whatever you can. I don't blame you for that. Though some judges get perturbed when you go for loopholes instead of addressing the issue, other's respect privacy as a constitutional right.

Personally, I'd use that as only one corner stone in making my case that I am not any sort of menace to society. Your use was personal and private (as evidenced by your clean record and the inadvertent way it was discovered), and even though it's a controlled substance, it does not contribute to crime, delinquency, dependency, and all the other societal ills that narcotics do. If the police were after narcotics, and stumbled upon something belonging to someone else that cannot even be shown to harm you, let alone contribute to any harm to society, then the judge should be implored not to let his court be turned into tool for the ambitions of over zealous law enforcement.