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sandcracker21
12-31-2009, 10:52 AM
a little background: my last program was a modified 5X5 routine and the last successful 5X5 squat day i had 5X5X315 ...now i am on wendlers 531 program, and today i had 320 for my last set of 3 (as many as i could do in other words) and i only got 3 in!!! lately the weight has felt insane heavy on my back


note: the most i ever squated for a max was 360x1

what is wrong with me?? my bench and deallifts are both going up on wendlers 531 but i cant squat if my life depended on it!!


note: my supliments are the same but i did loose about 15 lbs on a cut (bf from 15% to 13.5) but i havnt been cutting now for over a month....

ehopkins932
12-31-2009, 10:56 AM
You had a bay day or set your maxes to high. Make sure you are subtracting 10% from the actual max like he says. How did your last week go with squatting?

JSully
12-31-2009, 11:06 AM
when are you squatting in relation to deadlifting?

StLRPh
12-31-2009, 11:10 AM
Are you doing your deloads?

sandcracker21
12-31-2009, 11:23 AM
my schedual goes bench, squat, press, deads


as far as last week(s) squat has been suffering a little but nothing this bad!


and yes, i do deloads correctly

JSully
12-31-2009, 11:36 AM
1) you were having an off day
2) nutrition was off
3) possible prior exhaustion from other activities
4) not enough sleep

could be a few reasons.. without knowing much, I would go with the off day for now. If you're still off next week, you need to evaluate what's going on in your life, what other physical activities you're doing, how much food you're getting, sleep etc..

theBarzeen
12-31-2009, 11:38 AM
just because a routine says that your max based off of some reps is XXX doesn't mean that's true for everybody........ dehydration can also take away a lot of lbs in the gym or meet

nickp8
12-31-2009, 12:48 PM
It sounds like your training max is to high. I don't know what cycle you are on, but try re-setting your training max to around 320 and work back up.

robchris
01-01-2010, 12:43 AM
Sand,
IMO, it could be the DL's... Everyones not built to DL everyweek. I've got buddys who can get away w/ it due to thier build(long arms- short torso) However, if your a t-rex or anywhere in between, it can be hell on your lower-back& CNS. Try D.lifting very other week and see what happens. The extra recovery may be just what you need!
Just my .02

RC

bluelew
01-01-2010, 01:41 PM
I did a 5x5 this summer and then bought 5/3/1. My body responded better to the 5x5 so I went back on it. I am new to PL but know that when something works- stay on it.

-JM-
01-01-2010, 02:23 PM
How many times do you squat a week? If you went from doing a 5x5 program squatting at least twice a week I think you could do well to be under the bar more often again. Squat again on Deadlift day?

joey54
01-01-2010, 03:08 PM
It sounds like your training max is to high. I don't know what cycle you are on, but try re-setting your training max to around 320 and work back up.

Very good advice. I thought this would be a thread about squatting to failure, like 20 reps, and than puking.

AdamBAG
01-01-2010, 04:06 PM
You lost 15 pounds of bodyweight and you are now weaker.

sandcracker21
01-02-2010, 11:32 PM
You lost 15 pounds of bodyweight and you are now weaker.

that was my first thought as well...but would only 15 pounds make this much of a difference, and only in squats for the most part?

Sean S
01-03-2010, 11:38 AM
that was my first thought as well...but would only 15 pounds make this much of a difference, and only in squats for the most part?

Yes, it certainly could. Usually the SQ and BP are affected more than the DL, although there is individual difference regarding which lifts suffers the most with weight loss.