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ct67_72
01-19-2010, 03:58 PM
some training from sunday. second time in overkill shirt.
My max raw right now is 275 so I felt pretty good about this
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chris mason
01-19-2010, 08:09 PM
Why bother benching in a shirt if your raw max is only 275 lbs? I really think you should work on your raw bench and get it much closer to 400 lbs before messing with a shirt.

thewicked
01-19-2010, 08:34 PM
i was thinking the same thing...

good to see you busting it up in the gym though!

Necrias
01-19-2010, 09:09 PM
I have been training in a shirt since my raw bench was only 275; and both raw and equipped numbers have steadily gone up. I have gone from 275 to 405 raw and 335 (single ply) to 605 (multiply) in a little over 3 years. Granted, just hit the 605 in training in a shirt (Overkill) that isn't fully broken in yet, but I will put my money where my mouth is on the platform soon enough.

I guess what I am saying is... I would focus on the raw training and use the shirt to supplement the raw work.

ct67_72
01-20-2010, 04:33 AM
why not? my raw bench keeps going up. I train in the shirt before a meet only really. and my shirted bench is now in the 400's
after my next meet Ill concentrate on my raw bench again till I get ready for the next one. But I do focus on training raw to get my numbers up.
But I like to compete and theres just no competing with a 275 bench

muscle_g
01-20-2010, 12:33 PM
Nice job Dan!

ct67_72
01-20-2010, 02:33 PM
Thanks George! posted it on your site too

ThomasG
01-21-2010, 06:59 PM
Why bother benching in a shirt if your raw max is only 275 lbs? I really think you should work on your raw bench and get it much closer to 400 lbs before messing with a shirt.

I see your point Chris but 400lbs is that really necessary? I think a lot of people aren't even capable of reaching that at their natural potential.

robchris
01-21-2010, 08:30 PM
ct,
Good work bro... You can increase your raw and geared max together regardless of where you start. However, the closer you get to a meet, the more you need to focus on one or the other as you stated.

Sounds like you have a good plan in place!
RC

nsnyder
01-22-2010, 05:20 PM
Why bother benching in a shirt if your raw max is only 275 lbs? I really think you should work on your raw bench and get it much closer to 400 lbs before messing with a shirt.
No disrespect but i agree with chris 275@241 your raw bench needs some work.

ct67_72
01-22-2010, 06:09 PM
Im not arguing that. after lifting for a year I think thats pretty good.
what does it matter anyway? i cant see why it makes any difference if I bench 200 or 400. I work on my raw bench until I train for a meet. so it will keep going up. as will my shirted bench.
Thanks RC! Im gonna keep doing my thing

douglasoh5
01-22-2010, 07:59 PM
Dude your fine..keep training in the shirt...and the person who said ppls cant bench 400 raw are stupid...anyone can do anything(almost) if they train rite and lift long enough...

ehubbard
01-23-2010, 05:40 AM
Dude your fine..keep training in the shirt...and the person who said ppls cant bench 400 raw are stupid...anyone can do anything(almost) if they train rite and lift long enough...

Exactly. Why discourage someone interested in this sport in such a manner? Rich was probably benching in a shirt when he could only bench 225 raw, and now he has a 660+ shirted bench, and 405+ raw.

ThomasG
01-23-2010, 09:58 AM
Lol I don't know how you guys took that as my trying to discourage the op cause at 240 he can definitely hit 400 raw. Not once did I say the op. I said people. There are billions of people fyi :).

douglasoh5
01-23-2010, 12:31 PM
Eric there was a pl team at my high school. So I had a shirt on fairly early. It was a blast shirt though. I didnt use a dbl ply shirt till my raw bench was around 315 though. but yes Iv been in shirts for a long time

SELK
01-23-2010, 03:48 PM
I started in a shirt when my bench was around 275. Wish I had started earlier because I still really suck in one. Its not like you cant bring up your raw bench if you use a shirt.

ct67_72
01-24-2010, 12:57 PM
tried to touch today. Third time in the shirt. tried 365, dumped.
405 to within 1" or so, pressed it
took 425, touched and pressed.
The shirt seems to get a little looser everytime I get in it, and a ilttle more comfortable.

rmccray
01-25-2010, 11:00 AM
I actually trained in the refuge with these guys for seniors when i benched 910 and i can tell you that none of them really listen except ct! i think if he would get outta there and train serious with some guys that know what they are doing we could get that raw and shirted bench up sooner than he thinks!!! keepm working man and if you need some advice get my number from adam

kingkong51
01-25-2010, 12:36 PM
tried to touch today. Third time in the shirt. tried 365, dumped.
405 to within 1" or so, pressed it
took 425, touched and pressed.
The shirt seems to get a little looser everytime I get in it, and a ilttle more comfortable.
The reason we say get the raw bench up is for your healthy and longevity in the sport look at the great shirted benchers or most consistant shirted benchers each one of them have a great raw base. Your shirt bench will always be there but I promise that your joints will appreciate you later for building the muscle need to handle the heavier loads you will be handling.

gymdogg21
01-25-2010, 01:06 PM
I actually trained in the refuge with these guys for seniors when i benched 910 and i can tell you that none of them really listen except ct! i think if he would get outta there and train serious with some guys that know what they are doing we could get that raw and shirted bench up sooner than he thinks!!! keepm working man and if you need some advice get my number from adam


That's funny. If he is the only one who listened to you then why is his raw still stuck between 260 and 275 after a year, while the rest of us have made significant gains? Hmm. Sounds like what works for someone who has been in the sport for years MIGHT not work for someone who is just starting out and needs to learn AND understand the basics! And who wants to listen to someone who is so arrogant and full of themselves that all they know how to do is discourage people instead of encouraging them?

ct67_72
01-25-2010, 02:02 PM
The reason we say get the raw bench up is for your healthy and longevity in the sport look at the great shirted benchers or most consistant shirted benchers each one of them have a great raw base. Your shirt bench will always be there but I promise that your joints will appreciate you later for building the muscle need to handle the heavier loads you will be handling.

ok, that is a legitimate reason. Thank you.
Thanks T. Ill keep it in mind.

and for argument sake I started benching at the refuge in february? of last year with a 190 max, after lifting on my own for about 6 months prior

schroederbear
01-25-2010, 05:51 PM
That didn't look bad man. Keep up the hard training.

rmccray
01-26-2010, 12:19 PM
[QUOTE=gymdogg21;2282244]That's funny. If he is the only one who listened to you then why is his raw still stuck between 260 and 275 after a year, while the rest of us have made significant gains? Hmm. Sounds like what works for someone who has been in the sport for years MIGHT not work for someone who is just starting out and needs to learn AND understand the basics! And who wants to listen to someone who is so arrogant and full of themselves that all they know how to do is discourage people instead of encouraging them?[/QUOT
this is your personal feeling because you was the biggest guppy in the pond and then in walked a shark and you felt silly calling yourself superman in my company.. anyways ct you and nick can get my number and shout me out and i will help you out..

Big LaP
01-26-2010, 05:58 PM
Hey Rob,
You should get your facts straight before you start slamming people on here. Also think about who the person is your about to slander. The funny thing is I didn't even write that and it just goes to show that I must be on your mind. I appreciate that! Does slamming people fill that void in your life? You have no baring on my life and your opinions mean nothing to me. You never spoke to me and I never spoke to you. I thought that relationship worked best because I could careless. Just remember I don't scratch my head unless it itches and I don't dance unless I hear music. I do not get intimidated. Hope all is well.

Your friend,
Nemo

ct67_72
01-26-2010, 06:30 PM
hey good work by the way Sunday Lap, hope to see you again this sunday

gymdogg21
01-26-2010, 08:28 PM
I've said it before. Common sense is not so common and Assumption is the mother of all F***-ups! Dan will figure things out on his own. It may take him a little longer, but in the end he will learn what works best for him. As for mccray, you can clearly see once again you were wrong. Having taken advice from Louie Simmons and Jason Fry, just to name a few, I can tell you they have NEVER stated that their way is the only way to do things just because they can bench "X" amount of weight. Even the professionals on here always SUGGEST what to try, and not once have I ever read that someone was wrong or stupid for NOT doing things the way that they said to do them. If what you do works for you, then good for you and as I stated before, it doesn't mean that it will work for everyone.

vdizenzo
01-27-2010, 05:45 AM
When I trained with Crawford, it was his way, and his way only. People have all different techniques to coaching. I was brutal with Rob when he joined me, but when all was said and done he hit 900. That is an amazing accomplishment. The funny thing about coaching is it's very little about the program and more about the psychology. It's tough to push another human being. I openly admit to the guys that I don't coach nearly as hard as I used to. You have to sacrifice a lot of yourself when you do it. I just don't have it in me to get my work done and put that kind of focus into others.

Rob gave the advice that worked for him and has worked for many others. However, not everyone has what it takes to succeed in that fashion. That's not to say someone can't succeed. It's just sometimes things don't mesh.

ct67_72
01-27-2010, 06:33 AM
well said Vincent.
I have had a few "coaches" in my time training so far. I feel that I have taken something from all of them. I have to figure out what will and does work for me and concentrate on what ever that turns out to be.
I find it unfortunate that we ultimately all have the same goal and are all working toward the same thing but end up in debate over who is better at what. Again, I have learned from everyone, including TT and everyone at the refuge. I look forward to continuing to learn and bettering myself in the sport, but I will not argue or pick sides when we are all after the same thing.

gymdogg21
01-27-2010, 12:45 PM
I agree. Vinnie hit the nail on the head and that's all I was trying to do here. The manner in which a person presents material is sometimes just as important as what he/she is presenting. Find whatever works for you Dan and stick with it.