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bigjeff87
03-04-2010, 08:11 AM
To settle a small debate brewing in the Powerlifting/Strongman section, I thought I'd post 3 videos and see what everyone thought represents the true test of raw power. ( This was a topic discussed in Muscular Developement forums as well).

1st is the World Record raw deadlift.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh-ikyBAQr8


2nd is the World Record snatch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOE-PZJq2sk


3rd is the Atlas Stone event from the last World's Strongest man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1MHQRGef5s


My position is a raw, conventional-stance deadlift is the best measure of pure, raw power because it requires only that.

Olympic lifting and Strongman require raw power, plus other factors (athleticism, coordination, conditioning, flexibility, etc.).

Vote and discuss.

vdizenzo
03-04-2010, 08:31 AM
I think it's the bench press.

Brian C
03-04-2010, 08:35 AM
Id say the deadlift. Bend over and pick something up. Its the most basic test of strength thats been used forever.

Travis Bell
03-04-2010, 08:45 AM
Everyone has their own opinion.

Not sure you can convince them of once over the other.

On opinion issues like this, there is no right answer

Chris Rodgers
03-04-2010, 08:52 AM
That deadlift wasn't raw! He used those ginormous bumbs growing out of his back! Cheater!! :tuttut:

ScottYard
03-04-2010, 09:10 AM
Ill go with the conventional deadlift. Only b/c my bench sucks right now lol

kingkong51
03-04-2010, 09:13 AM
Ill go with the conventional deadlift. Only b/c my bench sucks right now lol

LOL the Squat because my deadlift sucks

Wee Dahrey
03-04-2010, 09:27 AM
fwiw, in milo 2.1, lyn jones shows a table showing the jerk as having the highest power output (5400 watts), the deadlift & squat both having 1100 watts. so from that it would seem the olympic lifts have the higest power, & he says the powerlifts have the highest strength or force production.

IronDiggy
03-04-2010, 09:34 AM
LOL the Squat because my deadlift sucks

+1 lol

AdamBAG
03-04-2010, 09:44 AM
I've got to say that I compete in powerlifting and love it. I'm also a big fan of Oly lifting and Strongman. They are all different sports! Why compare one to the other?!?! There are brutal strong guys in all of the sports!

J.C.
03-04-2010, 09:58 AM
Everyone has their own opinion.

Not sure you can convince them of once over the other.

On opinion issues like this, there is no right answer

Try telling that to the keyboard warriors on youtube. Some of the comments on those videos are ****ing ridiculous.

bigjeff87
03-04-2010, 12:32 PM
Try telling that to the keyboard warriors on youtube. Some of the comments on those videos are ****ing ridiculous.

very true! most of those people are clowns!

patos
03-04-2010, 01:11 PM
I'd say the raw total is the best measure of pure strength.

bigjeff87
03-04-2010, 03:10 PM
[QUOTE=patos;2302803]I'd say the raw total is the best measure of pure strength.[/QU

ok but try to talk about one lift....Like one of the three that I had named...

Magilla
03-04-2010, 03:36 PM
curls !!

JK1
03-04-2010, 04:33 PM
LOL the Squat because my deadlift sucks

Yup, I'm with you on that one.

Squat is first, followed by bench press, then maybe the strict curl, then standing calf raise, then the deadlift.

JK1
03-04-2010, 04:34 PM
Try telling that to the keyboard warriors on youtube. Some of the comments on those videos are ****ing ridiculous.

Thats another reason I don't like videos posted on the internet. Too many dumbasses claiming to have a clue.

Cyrus Ford
03-04-2010, 04:39 PM
That's a tough one because I started out as a bench only lifter, and of course I will favor the bench more than the other lifts. With that said, I am trying to become a three lift powerlifter so I am definitely gaining respect for the squat and deadlift because they kick my butt. Out of the three you mentioned I choose the bench press.

robchris
03-04-2010, 05:51 PM
All those vids are very, very impressive... however, if I had to choose its got to be the DL baby!

That raw DL w/ no belt by KK is pure strength... I've seen it so many times and each time it like "whoaa"... Unbelievable!
RC

jerkwad55
03-04-2010, 06:52 PM
Man I am really disappointed.

I thought when I clicked the link for World Record snatch, I was going to get to watch a porn.

The J-Man
03-04-2010, 07:11 PM
All the videos were definitely impressive and I'm a fan of all 3 sports. The DL (and all the powerlifts for that matter) require enormous amounts of strength at that level of competition. However, personally I'm more impressed by a combination of strength/power and technique so I've got to give it to the Snatch.

chris mason
03-04-2010, 07:21 PM
Everyone has their own opinion.

Not sure you can convince them of once over the other.

On opinion issues like this, there is no right answer

That's not true. There is subjective opinion and then objective fact. Jeff is correct with his statements. The deadlift tests absolute strength better than the other two movements by its nature. The Olympic lifts require skill in the movement to a much greater degree than deadlifting, and stone lifting is limited by the awkward nature of the stone itself.

Cyrus Ford
03-04-2010, 07:25 PM
That's a tough one because I started out as a bench only lifter, and of course I will favor the bench more than the other lifts. With that said, I am trying to become a three lift powerlifter so I am definitely gaining respect for the squat and deadlift because they kick my butt. Out of the three you mentioned I choose the bench press.

Oops, I got so caught up with bench press I said bench press instead of DL. I meant to say out of the three you mentioned I choose the deadlift. Bench was't even a choice, lol.

I never snatched or did the stones so I cannot compare.

Drew92
03-04-2010, 07:36 PM
The powerclean.

Jorge Sanchez
03-04-2010, 08:05 PM
That's not true. There is subjective opinion and then objective fact. Jeff is correct with his statements. The deadlift tests absolute strength better than the other two movements by its nature. The Olympic lifts require skill in the movement to a much greater degree than deadlifting, and stone lifting is limited by the awkward nature of the stone itself.

Strictly speaking, since power is a function of work performed in a given amount of time, I'd guess the snatch objectively produces more power than the deadlift. But I'm sure you're right that the deadlift is a better test of raw strength.

Regardless, those are all incredible feats of strength and athleticism.

vdizenzo
03-05-2010, 07:40 AM
Standing overhead press.

Ruff Riff
03-05-2010, 07:59 AM
Deadlift, snatch then the stones, in order of impressiveness? they are all pretty substantial measures of strength but that is how I see it.

chris mason
03-05-2010, 10:17 AM
Strictly speaking, since power is a function of work performed in a given amount of time, I'd guess the snatch objectively produces more power than the deadlift. But I'm sure you're right that the deadlift is a better test of raw strength.

Regardless, those are all incredible feats of strength and athleticism.

Actually, they are probably pretty close, but he wasn't using the word power intending that definition and that much was clear with his post.

ehubbard
03-05-2010, 11:39 AM
I am probably most impressed by the heavier Pro level Strongman events, such as Fortisimus. WSM is a bit light. There are strongmen that can load stones faster than Mariusz and Z. As a matter of fact, the WSM stone series is fairly light and you could see those stone weights at a Gold or Platinum level NAS competition. Now, show me a 1,000 lb yoke, 400 farmers, 350 log for reps, or 500 lb stone load for reps and I think you get a better video representation of strongman then the video posted above. Having said that i honestly couldnt pick one. They are all awesome displays of strength, technique and athleticism.

theBarzeen
03-09-2010, 05:51 PM
you can't pick one lift for everyone...... of course a shorter armed and barrel chested guy will have a bigger bench than deadlift... a guy with ape arms will have a better deadlift....... doesn't mean that one guy is stronger than the other....... that's why you need the three lift total

Hazerboy
03-09-2010, 09:38 PM
Standing overhead press.

Vincent you're crackin me up.

BodyByGamma
03-28-2010, 03:45 AM
Anything too technical can not gauge strength properly. Olympic lifts are out the window. Anything that requires specialized training is out. I would say the keg clean and parallel press should be the standard of strength for all men. It works every last muscle fiber,is very hard to do, but something everyone should be able to do without needing any special tricks to lift.

BTW I hate keg pressing. Natural stone lifting is pretty awesome. They are not round like atlas stones so you don't need any tacky crap or technical no how to lift.

Here is a link to a recent strength compilation video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAcKhupxIHk)I made: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAcKhupxIHk

BodyByGamma
03-28-2010, 03:47 AM
Vincent you're crackin me up.

LOL Vincent made his way into my video with his pressing power!

robchris
03-28-2010, 01:23 PM
Gamma,
Awesome vid complilation my man... Well done indeed!

"Kaz" was and still is the man IMHO!!!

RC

Rugby Dad
03-28-2010, 04:47 PM
Yup, I'm with you on that one.

Squat is first, followed by bench press, then maybe the strict curl, then standing calf raise, then the deadlift.

you gotta be kidding? standing calf raise?? that shouldn't even be mentioned in this forum.

Mark!
03-28-2010, 07:23 PM
Yup, I'm with you on that one.

Squat is first, followed by bench press, then maybe the strict curl, then standing calf raise, then the deadlift.

I'm waiting for the "Just kidding" part...

I'm gonna go with dead lift for single lift, but I'm a fan of the big 3 total.

Fuzzy
03-28-2010, 09:43 PM
The deadlift is the best test of strength, not power.

Snatch ftw.