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vdizenzo
04-20-2010, 07:52 PM
I am six weeks into a cut and it's getting easier, but damn, some things sure get to me once in a while. My biggest gripe now is not being able to snack. I mean, I'd really just love a handful of pretzels. No pain, no gain, I guess.

Anyone else have a gripe about their diet right now?

thewicked
04-20-2010, 08:09 PM
wha'ts to gripe about? you eat healthier..which makes you more productive in the gym. Quality in means quality out right? even if it's a big ****! LOL if you like snacking brother just find snacks that fit into your program. I like beef jerky and stuff between means but cut out some protien in the meals so I CAN snack on it(fats too...i make my own jerky). Plus when you cut down and keep alot of your strength, you've in effect created a stronger athlete which is what we're all after to begin with right? The hardest part about dieting is not thinking about it being a diet..you have to eat period..so making a better choice instead of a ****ty one should make you feel better on the upside. Quality food means quality muscle..and faster gains due to quality bioavailabilty. When you gain confidence and start getting happier with how you look, feel, and perform, that translates to other areas in life, not just the gym.


you got this **** in the bag big vin...if you can put your mind to crushing all the numbers i've seen you do throughout your career...dieting is a walk in the part mentally. Do it to it big man

Mercuryblade
04-20-2010, 11:50 PM
I am six weeks into a cut and it's getting easier, but damn, some things sure get to me once in a while. My biggest gripe now is not being able to snack. I mean, I'd really just love a handful of pretzels. No pain, no gain, I guess.

Anyone else have a gripe about their diet right now?

Following unreal's general rule of "a calorie is a calorie" is pretty great way to stay sane during cutting.

I can be so strict with my eating for the rest of the day that if I want a slice of pizza or a burger, I just make up for the calories. Keep the portions under control and it's very possible to get great results and still get those occasional delicious foods in.

Travis Bell
04-21-2010, 04:50 AM
I'm with you Vin. When I'm cutting, I have to keep it clean.

If I cheat, or just tell myself that I need once slice of pizza, it'll always end up being being 3 or 4. Whereas if I just suck it up and stick to the plan, I get used to it.

Honestly, sometimes my biggest irritation is the amounts I have to eat to hit the caloric totals I need for the day. When you're eating stuff that isn't as calorie dense, man you really have to eat so much more

getfit
04-21-2010, 05:20 AM
When it comes to diet I'm extreme....I just switch off,ignore the cravings and occupy myself with different things.Once you put your mind on food all day long.The diet will seem never ending....Mind over body ;-)

vdizenzo
04-21-2010, 05:34 AM
Oh, clearly only Travis and I have inner fat dudes in us. Actually, mine is still an outer fat dude. I am starting to see some decent results and it has become more of a lifestyle, but shutting off over ten years of trying to gain weight habits can be a little difficult. Let's be honest, if this were easy, everyone would be doing it.

For the 12 week cut, I am following exactly what I am supposed to do. When it's over I will definitely incorporate some of the ideas mentioned.

Joe Black
04-21-2010, 06:45 AM
Ha ha, I am totally with you. I'm on the EDGE right now.

I'm not concerned with snacking, my favorate past time is food and wine. I'm talking going to a restaurant, having 3 courses, a bottle of wine and not walking out that sucka until you are literally half slipping into a coma. Some nice bread and oils and mushroom with cheese for starters, massive ribs, fries and veggies for main and how about a treacle pudding with ice cream for desert, a double expresso to wash it down and a bottle of red vino throughout.

I think about this **** like EVERY day. Multiple times.

But, when I did this I was 215, weak and totally ashamed to take my top off. The pure fact that I am now 177 and at my strongest/fittest ever keeps me eating clean every day and doing about 5 hours of cardio every week. (well give or take a few slips!) Once I get to 170 and stay there for a few months, I have a feeling that my body will adapt to being that lean/light and I can relax tihngs just a little, but for now I am just pressing on and hanging up on every mate that calls me because I know he'll be asking me out for some food or drinks lol.

Joe Black
04-21-2010, 06:46 AM
Also I'll add this. I haven't been ill once in the 9 months I have gotten serious about this, not even a sniffle.

brihead301
04-21-2010, 07:28 AM
Dieting is a pain in the a** definately.

I have an office job first off, and secondly I naturally store fat very easily. Third, I like to drink a lot! Lifting alone doesn't keep the fat off, and since I have trouble sticking to a clean diet all the time, I've found that THE WAY for me to keep the fat off and stay lean was to join an MMA/Jiu-jitsu class. All that cardio practically melts all the fat off....and I don't have to eat super clean and restricted either!!!

Cardio alone sucks, but when doing it in a form that I actually enjoy doing, it is awesome!!!! I learn to kick some a**, and I get in shape, and I still get to eat my pizza and drink my beer!

thewicked
04-21-2010, 11:26 AM
remember..it's not your body that craves the crappy food or certain types of food..it's your head.

THANKS FOR MAKING TODAY THAT MUCH MORE DIFFICULT DANNY! LOL! that sounds like the perfectly designed cheat day to me!

and ya'll are right..once your body has adapted to a certain weight and your homeostatic balance adjusts to the levels it should be at to regulate at that particular weight then things will ease up some and you can be abit lax along with micro managing depending on how much you gain or lose.

Krazor
04-21-2010, 02:06 PM
if your not snacking your not doing it right, you should be eating a small meal every 3 or so hours, which means your snacking all day long. But at the end of the day all those small means should equal the same calories you want to be eating for your diet. This allows your body to never go into starvation mode cause there is a steady stream of nourishment for it to digest.

Good way to do this is to buy a big ham, turkey breast, some big blocks of cheeses, chicken breasts, fruits veggies whatever... put them in your fridge and cut off some slices for a small meal a every few hours.

Another great side effect of this is your stomach will shrink because its not getting stretched out like usual. So the next time you go out to eat at a restaurant or some thing you will not be able to gorge out cause you will get full much quicker.

BTW sams club or stores like it are great for this kind of dieting cause you can buy big blocks of cheese and big hams/chicken/turkey ect ect and save some cash.

ThomasG
04-21-2010, 02:10 PM
if your not snacking your not doing it right, you should be eating a small meal every 3 or so hours, which means your snacking all day long. But at the end of the day all those small means should equal the same calories you want to be eating for your diet. This allows your body to never go into starvation mode cause there is a steady stream of nourishment for it to digest.

Good way to do this is to buy a ham, turkey breast, some big blocks of cheeses, chicken breasts ect ect put them in your fridge and cut off some slices for a small meal a every few hours.

I'm sure vinny meant snacking as in handful of this here and there. I call it grazing.

Krazor
04-21-2010, 02:12 PM
I'm sure vinny meant snacking as in handful of this here and there. I call it grazing.

But if he were eating every few hours he wouldn't have such strong cravings.

Joe Black
04-21-2010, 03:03 PM
Well, I am eating 6 meals per day and trust me I still have cravings for all types of junk food and am hungry several times in the day. If you are on a calorie restricted diet and also restricting carbs, that's always going to be the case.

Nicky
04-21-2010, 05:43 PM
Some nice bread and oils and mushroom with cheese for starters, massive ribs, fries and veggies for main and how about a treacle pudding with ice cream for desert, a double expresso to wash it down and a bottle of red vino throughout.




:drooling: :drooling: :drooling: I will be right back.

KingWilder
04-21-2010, 06:44 PM
multiple tiny meals are not necessary, ever

I fast 16 hours, and eat for 8 (IF)

2-3 meals in that time span...really easy to do

vdizenzo
04-21-2010, 08:48 PM
I am eating 6-7 times everyday. That said, I am on a very strict diet. Remember I am a fat powerlifter. This is a complete change for me. I'm 5'8" coming down from 325. Seriously, I am not obsessing. I'm just having some fun griping about dieting. It's not easy. However, I am committed. I am very goal oreiented and will stick to the plan. I have learned a lot from this process. I'll be happy when I get to a point where I can make some adjustments.

Mark!
04-21-2010, 11:31 PM
Walking through the masses of wal mart today and every damn fat food was calling my name and pulling me to it. Cakes, ice cream, pizzas...crap. It was so hard to walk out of there strictly by my list. Thank God for pepperoni and cheese, great snack food for me, and orange tic tacs, ha.

Joe Black
04-22-2010, 12:33 AM
multiple tiny meals are not necessary, ever

I fast 16 hours, and eat for 8 (IF)

2-3 meals in that time span...really easy to do

We have a CRACKING article coming out very soon (probably mid may) on IF and I agree it is a really interesting concept and I will definately be trying it at some point in the future.

I have no problems with eating 6 times a day - it's very easy for me to prepare and consume so I am not being driven to something like IF for that reason. But, IF definately sounds like a more fun way to diet :)

Right now I am working with Shelby (who is truly excellent) and the weight is coming off nicely, so I am not going to mess with a successful formula!

Joe Black
04-22-2010, 01:41 AM
Vinny, just for you...

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KingWilder
04-22-2010, 03:22 AM
We have a CRACKING article coming out very soon (probably mid may) on IF and I agree it is a really interesting concept and I will definately be trying it at some point in the future.

I have no problems with eating 6 times a day - it's very easy for me to prepare and consume so I am not being driven to something like IF for that reason. But, IF definately sounds like a more fun way to diet :)

Right now I am working with Shelby (who is truly excellent) and the weight is coming off nicely, so I am not going to mess with a successful formula!

IF awesome...it's never been so easy for me to "cut" before (never tried it "bulking", but I foresee it coming in a few months). I've actually adopted it as a lifestyle and it seems to work nicely not having to worry about eating first thing when I get up (I'm a trainer so I'm busy in the morning anyway and it's a hassle to wake up any earlier than I already do and worry about food). On top of that I'm doing Paleo right now (plus sweet potatos Post Workout).

Excited to see how ALN's IF article compares with what I'm doing!

BigBatz
04-22-2010, 12:38 PM
Hunger sucks the most.

I agree with Vin it's hard to turn off something you've been doing for years. Spreading out over the day helps me. I'm still hungry but at least I know I'll be eating again soon. That helps take the edge off.

I tried IF and I did not like. I was hungry all day. Plus the calorie rquirements for someone over 320 lbs makes it harder to consume the required amount in 8 hours without just constantly eating the whole time. Then my digestive system just hated me and so did my wife. 250+ grams of protien in 8 hours = rancid gas. I could'nt even take it.


HA HA HA
my 2 cents

J.C.
04-22-2010, 02:45 PM
I find reversing from one to the other quite tough psychologically. Just changing your habits and telling your mind to switch its thinking gets annoying.

OK, I'm not huge and I know there are people with faster metabolisms but since Christmas I pushed from around 195 to 210 while training hard and I really pushed the envelope. I'd trained my stomach to the point that I never got too stuffed, so I could eat several bowls of pasta, and huge plates of mashed potato. I'm naturally lean so I can get away with all the carbs. Whenever I was in town I'd buy junk food. I'd be setting reminders to eat my steaks or put my pizza in the oven. Each time I went to the supermarkets I'd pick up some cookies or small cakes - I was bulking, and I was lean so it was ok right? Everything helps... I started eating far more sweet stuff because I felt like I could get away with it.

Now I've finished my strength cycle, took a couple of weeks off and I'm trying to get a bit more cut and conditioned. Suddenly I'm battling all these natural, ingrained patterns to pick up baked goods or buy a snickers. I'm not so hungry I feel I have to have it, I'm just finding it difficult to break away from that process. I'd naturalized it in a fairly short period of time.

I can see now why some unhealthy people find it so hard to change their habits.

seK
04-22-2010, 03:06 PM
I stopped eating pretzel's after watching Mallrats...

Travis Bell
04-22-2010, 03:13 PM
Yeah that's exactly what I was talking about, the psychological aspect of it.

After the first couple weeks, it gets easier, but man, those first couple weeks were a real pain in the neck.

I'll be very interested to see the IF article. Sometimes it's easier for me to go longer periods of time without eating than it is to come up with 6 meals a day. Only problem usually ends up being my activity level kinda demands a bit of food.

Invain
04-22-2010, 03:49 PM
Dieting tip: Grocery shopping while severely depleted is a really bad idea.

I usually have no problems with cravings while dieting, but when glycogen stores are low and you haven't eaten carbs multiple days in a row, your mind starts ****ing with you.

Raleighwood
04-22-2010, 04:03 PM
multiple tiny meals are not necessary, ever

I fast 16 hours, and eat for 8 (IF)

2-3 meals in that time span...really easy to do

You following leangains?

I am interested in attempting this. It sounds like you are having some success? Are you cycling fat/carbs on nontraining/training days?

I'd appreciate your thoughts and opinions on your 16/8 IF so far.

KingWilder
04-22-2010, 05:34 PM
You following leangains?

I am interested in attempting this. It sounds like you are having some success? Are you cycling fat/carbs on nontraining/training days?

I'd appreciate your thoughts and opinions on your 16/8 IF so far.

About a year ago I did Leangains (paid for diet/training etc.). At the time I didn't follow it like I should have and it fell by the wayside. Now I'm using the same principles but combining it with Paleo and it's working great. I do all my workouts fasted (Purple Wrath right before - as instructed by Martin).

The only difference in training days vs non-training days is sweet potatoes...Post workout I'll have them in my biggest meal...other days, it's strict Paleo

vdizenzo
04-22-2010, 07:24 PM
Alright, time to get back on the right track. Along the lines of Invain, I cannot set foot in a grocery store. I'm lucky my wife does all the shopping. She had to stop in the grocery store one day with me in the car. I foolishly went in with her. I was picking up and looking at every item we passed. I'm very impressionable. I just saw a seafood commerical and am craving stuffed shrimp. I am my own worst enemy, but I get some kind of sick pleasure from torturing myself.

Travis Bell
04-22-2010, 09:23 PM
hahaha kinda along the impression lines, one day after training, one of my groups sat around talking about wings.

it was my last group of the day and it got me thinking about wings so much, I called my wife and told her we were going out for wings that night. I demolished a ton of them lol.

So to use the impression thing to my advantage, I try and keep myself focused on why I'm doing what I'm doing. When I'm sittin there eating brown rice and chicken breast, I just keep thinking about why I'm doing it. The health benefits, the realization that this is the most effective way to lose weight and still get stronger and just remind myself of the purpose of the food, to fuel the body, not to taste good.

All about mind control.

Joe Black
04-23-2010, 12:43 AM
Yeah, it's just straight up will power and determination really. At the end of the day your forcing your body to do something unatural and that it really doesn't want to do and it just comes down to how bad you want it.

Vinny, I am JUST like you, it's a bit of a torture every day.

My mate invited me out for some food the other night and I declined as I had some chicken and vegetables prepared to cook at home. Come on he said, just get a chicken salad and diet coke at the restaurant. HA HA, Do they really think I wanna ****ing sit in a restaurant eating a chicken salad and drinking a diet coke whilst my friends eat huge meals and drink beers and order dessert. I'll either have a miserable time or just cave in and eat about double my calories for the day in one sitting lol

The good thing is once you get to your target weight, it won;t require the same effort to maintain. I used to have to fight so hard to get my body below 185 and it kept dipping below and going over. Now I can probably get away with 60% consistency on a week by week basis and my bodyweight stays at 180. It seems to have naturally adapted. So if I did just want to chiill at 180 I could and I would enjoy life much better than at 215 that's for sure. Just a real pain that I want 10% bodyfat so bad so I need to push for 168 lol.

Ryan Zielonka
04-25-2010, 01:50 AM
As far as intermittent fasting is concerned, it is no panacea. It cannot and will not overcome poor programming or nutrition. I hesitate to call it a diet per se as it acts in tandem with whatever diet you're already on. I encourage those who are interested to do a quick Google search on the topic. The new article I've authored should be a great introduction for folks uninitiated in the ways of IF.

For what anecdote is worth, I've been using the protocol for over a year. It took about two weeks for my hunger to even out, which seems congruent with published research on ghrelin, the appetite-regulating hormone that determines when we get our stomach rumbles. I eat ad libitum, my nutrition the furthest thing from clean eating one can possibly imagine, and yet still maintain circa 10 percent body fat. When you only have eight hours to feed yourself, it's hard to overeat even when your dominant carbohydrate source is delicious French baguette.

Cheers!

Mark!
04-25-2010, 02:39 AM
It's hard for me to go to the dang store too. I pick up everything and read the label, hoping and wishing it has low carbs. I've been around every ice cream aisle looking at carbs, no luck so far but the day I do...you'll know. It does get easier though. I think if a person can push through those little teases and desires from the food that's not on diet for a while, the temptation goes a little under. I know for me it's gotten easier because instead of LOOKING at each carton of ice cream, I tell myself not to because I already know none are good, therefore I don't tempt myself with them. My wife keeps me on a really short leash at the store too. If I start looking at something that's not on our list, I get the evil eye, and we all know that's not good.

The Gasman UK
04-30-2010, 08:21 AM
Dieting, cutting is bloody hard work. I think about food almost 24/7. And Im not talking about plain chicken, almonds and brocolli if you know what i mean.

Just think about this - those other people who eat regular takeaways, sweets, junk food and all that cr@p on a regular basis will most likely never acheive what we are trying to acheive here guys. It makes us more powerful to stay strong. It's easy to cop out. That's why 99% do.

kwconch
04-30-2010, 11:11 AM
Vinny, just for you...

http://sccarl.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/pretzels1.jpg

https://ssl9.chi.us.securedata.net/theheadnut.com/merchantmanager/images/uploads/special%20pretzels.jpg

http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/3865030/2/istockphoto_3865030_soft_pretzel_on_white.jpg


http://mychocolateaffair.com/images/Chocolate%20Basket%20of%20Pretzels%202.jpg

daniel thats gotta be the funniest thing i have ever seen on this site i dont know why but when i saw this i started laughing so hard