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SoCoBarbell
04-23-2010, 09:40 PM
I know this is often a hot topic. I'm not trying to start crap. I would just like to see how people view depth. Please watch the video and vote....................... By the way. I know depth should be judged from the side but, almost all video on the internet that people try to judge is from the front.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egm7YW_FEuA

Sensei
04-23-2010, 09:48 PM
When I saw depth "pole", I thought this thread was about something very inappropriate...

SoCoBarbell
04-23-2010, 09:54 PM
Maybe I should change that LOL

Pete22
04-23-2010, 11:18 PM
Personally I think 2 and beyond hit depth, but I'm sure 1 would get passed a majority of the time in most multiply feds. You would obviously need side angles for a more accurate assessment.

deeder
04-24-2010, 12:55 AM
From this view: #2 should get 2 white lights.

HOWEVER, the front judge should ONLY red light depth if it is blatantly high. If it's any where near questionable depth from the front they should not red light it for depth. #3 would be 3 white lights in my books.

Frame of reference: Single Ply CPU (IPF) Lifter...

douglasoh5
04-24-2010, 04:23 AM
imo the first one most likely is to depth. but 100% 2 is down there.

ScottYard
04-24-2010, 06:54 AM
I would guess that 1 is maybe dead on, 2 is breaking, and 3 is a couple below.

StLRPh
04-24-2010, 07:04 AM
imo the first one most likely is to depth. but 100% 2 is down there.

this

ThomasG
04-24-2010, 07:14 AM
#1 maybe 1 red 2whites

#2 looks good to me.

vdizenzo
04-24-2010, 07:16 AM
As a judge I say 2.

Sean S
04-24-2010, 07:17 AM
I would guess that 1 is maybe dead on, 2 is breaking, and 3 is a couple below.

This is what I thought as well. If #1 was given white lights at a meet, I would have no problem with it. I would assume it was right there and the judges gave the benefit of the doubt to the lifter.

Ermantroudt
04-24-2010, 07:27 AM
2 and lower looked good from the front

Jonah
04-24-2010, 07:36 AM
I'd give it on three and four but I'm a masochist.

JK1
04-24-2010, 07:48 AM
I hate judging depth from the front---especially with big legged, thick waisted lifter. I don't think you can call depth without a side view, and that view has to be 90 degrees perpendicular, not 6 feet behind the lifter like I've seen in some meets. I think the more infront of or behind the lifter a judge is the deeper they have to call the lift because of their perspective relative to the hip.

To me this lifter is a long legged, lean lifter, so you can make an approximation, but I think not being able to see a side view, it may not be accurate.

Based on these views, I'd call #1 right on--probably 2 whites, 1 red. #2 and on is below parallel.



I'd like to see corresponding side photos with this same lifter and then a set with a 308 or SHW lifter.

joey54
04-24-2010, 02:54 PM
I am prick with this stuff, so to me 3.

KarstenDD
04-24-2010, 04:22 PM
Oh god my eyes

SoCoBarbell
04-24-2010, 04:49 PM
Oh god my eyes

What do you mean?

Brian Hopper
04-24-2010, 05:22 PM
I would guess that 1 is maybe dead on, 2 is breaking, and 3 is a couple below.

I agree with Scott!!!!! IMO, 3 and 4 were deep for a wide stance squatter.

Hazerboy
04-24-2010, 05:57 PM
1 is if your cuttin it close.
2 and your just hittin depth.
3 is if you're me.

:evillaugh:

mastermonster
04-24-2010, 06:02 PM
Front view judging sucks but I understand what you're doing here by using it. Given the view I'd say 1 would be the dead on it, give the doubt to the lifter point. Although from the side where the suit crease can be traced to the hip joint it might be seen as clearly low enough. #2 is definately down there (probably by a couple of inches). But any judge who would demand that is ignoring the rules and should not be in a judges chair. Any judge who demands 3 and 4 doesn't give a sh** about lifters; probably never was a squatter, and is going to get lifters (and spotters) hurt.

Buddy McKee

Jonah
04-24-2010, 06:19 PM
What do you mean?

he got anxiety from seeing a squat to depth. :evillaugh:

robchris
04-24-2010, 06:24 PM
Gotta go w/ #2... Although, #1 was right on IMO. At least from a front view... Hard to say unless viewed from the side.

Clifford Gillmore
04-24-2010, 06:42 PM
Number 1 was lower than some I have seen passed.

theBarzeen
04-24-2010, 08:37 PM
1 was high
2 maybe on a 3rd attempt if the first two were good
3 was at parallel, maybe 2 whites
4 was good and in......


in the end there's no way to judge depth from the front unless it's really bad..... the lifter has big quads so it looks a little deeper than it probably is too, especially from the front.

KarstenDD
04-24-2010, 10:02 PM
What do you mean?

Too deep.

MarcusWild
04-25-2010, 12:45 AM
1 is too close to call from the front. I'd pass it and let the side judges decide. 2-4 definitely look good.

theBarzeen
04-25-2010, 07:08 AM
1 is too close to call from the front. I'd pass it and let the side judges decide. 2-4 definitely look good.

that's probably the best way to look at it..... judging from the front all 4 could get a white, then it's up to the side judges who have a much better view....

Jay1
04-25-2010, 01:52 PM
I would guess that 1 is maybe dead on, 2 is breaking, and 3 is a couple below.

I agree

Brian C
04-25-2010, 09:39 PM
God that's some flexibilty for such a wide squat. 1 is right on there.

NickAus
04-26-2010, 05:39 AM
Number 1 was lower than some I have seen passed.

My thoughts too.

NASAKYCHAIRMAN
04-26-2010, 06:52 AM
I am a certified state and national judge for several years.

1. High
2. High
3. Parallel
4. 3 white lights

90kg_pwrlftr
04-30-2010, 06:01 PM
Is it deep enough? Depends on the feds rules! As a USAPL competitor and Judge I would say 1&2 are high, 3 is parallel but would most likely pass viewed from front and at this distance. 4 the crease of the hip is below the top of the knee in my opinion. I took some screenshots from the vid and drew a parallel line at the point the vid was paused. Unscientific I know but hey this is what debate is all about!

Sean S
04-30-2010, 07:15 PM
It's tough to tell where the hip crease is for certain from the front. That's why this poll is tough. At the very least, I would expect a front judge to give white lights for 2,3 and 4. I think even 2 is close enough that a front judge shouldn't red light it and let the side judges (who have a better view of depth) make the call. I'm from the school of thought that a front judge should give whites for depth unless it's very clearly high since they don't have a good view of the hip crease. I know others might disagree.

colinS3
06-06-2011, 08:45 PM
I don't know much about judging, but during my workouts I try to go for something that's close to #3. In my opinion that looked like the point at which the femur was parallel with the floor.

joey54
06-07-2011, 03:16 PM
I don't know much about judging, but during my workouts I try to go for something that's close to #3. In my opinion that looked like the point at which the femur was parallel with the floor.

Curious, if you don't know much about judging, why bump a thread about that exact topic? Interested in the reason for it. Are you trying to validate your own training by providing us with what standard you hold yourself to? Did you search squat depth and come across the thread in that manner?

colinS3
06-07-2011, 05:14 PM
Oh wow, I didn't realize how long this thread has been inactive. I thought I saw it on one of the recent posts sections so I didn't even bother to look at the date of the last reply. I wasn't digging through old posts or even using the search bar. It was just there. I'm sorry for bringing back a dead topic, that definitely wasn't my intention.

My reasoning for my reply was just a simple two cents type of thing. The post that started this thread asked for opinions about depth, so I took it generally and said mine (hoping to add to the conversation). Before I posted I saw a lot of posts that described it as competition depth with judges but I still added my two cents because the first post simply asked us what we think of as enough depth. I should've assumed it was a question about competition depth and not workout depth because this is in the powerlifting section after all. Can't do much about it now though, unfortunately.

joey54
06-07-2011, 05:55 PM
Not a problem. Some one could have bumped it by voting too. Personally, I strongly dislike squat depth threads. My personal feelings are to never leave depth in the hands of the judges, and discussing squat depth is on par with discussing politics and religion. Don't do it.

colinS3
06-07-2011, 06:52 PM
That would explain why I saw it on the recent posts section. Yes, from the time I've spent on this site I'm beginning to see how highly debated squat depth really is. Thanks for the advice.

Falcon63
06-07-2011, 10:25 PM
I use safety racks, so I just go about half an inch from the safety racks.

joey54
06-08-2011, 10:43 AM
I use safety racks, so I just go about half an inch from the safety racks.

Which could vary greatly depending upon where the safeties are set. I'm confused. The thread wasn't to ask people where they squat to.

mchicia1
06-08-2011, 11:20 AM
Which could vary greatly depending upon where the safeties are set. I'm confused. The thread wasn't to ask people where they squat to.

Lol was gonna say it, but you beat me to it. Thread is purely about WHAT is considered depth and what is not.

joey54
06-08-2011, 03:49 PM
Lol was gonna say it, but you beat me to it. Thread is purely about WHAT is considered depth and what is not.

Yep. And to add, what is considered "meet" depth. Which is very difficult to judge from a front view video. So it just turns into a bitchfest as seen on other sites. I like that we avoid those discussions for the most part here and would prefer it continue in such a manner.

Falcon63
06-09-2011, 07:24 AM
Which could vary greatly depending upon where the safeties are set. I'm confused. The thread wasn't to ask people where they squat to.

I know, I was just saying. I'd count any of those, but I'd just go to 4 to be 100% certain with myself.

Ferrous Lifter
06-11-2011, 12:50 AM
Duh, its obviously #1 if you picked your meet correctly.

joey54
06-11-2011, 05:45 AM
I know, I was just saying. I'd count any of those, but I'd just go to 4 to be 100% certain with myself.

That makes more sense.

Rugby Dad
06-11-2011, 04:25 PM
#1 was bit high, not quite parrallel, tho not too surprising if judge called it parrallel
#2 was parrallel
#3 below parrallel
#4 was deep

Niko_El_Piko
06-26-2011, 09:58 PM
#4 is the valid. But that is according to IPF rules where I compete, the insertion of the femur in the hip joint should be lower than the insertion of the femur at the knee joint.

StormTheBeach
07-22-2011, 06:52 AM
I would pass 4inches higher than number 1.