View Full Version : is bulking really the best course to take for a natural bodybuilder

05-06-2002, 08:51 PM
ok in this post i am referring to a natural person that lifts for body appearance, and wants to maintain a relatively low bodyfat percentage, on the other hand i am not talking about a competitive bodybuilder thta is most worried about looking good on one certain day.

it is my understandying that adipose cells hold fat, and when you cut to lose fat the fat is taken out of the cells and used as energy, but it is impossible to actually destroy adipose cells one they are created, is this right? also the only way you can destroy adipose cells is to use dnp or such supplements, that is why i am talking about natural bodybuilders, no use of dnp or relating supps.

so when bulking it has been proven that along with the fat gain you will gain adipose cells in order to store the bodyfat, and after your cycle of bulking and when you cut, there is no way you can lose these adipose cells. ultimately this is gonna lead in your future to an easier time of gaininga nd storing bodyfat with the surplus of adipose cells? and after continuance of bulking, your adipose cells will have accumulated to that of a rather obese person causing one to have hard times maintaining a relatively low bodyfat percentage.

so with this in mind, is this increase in adipose fat cells really that big of a deal, is bulking for a natural persont he best course to take in terms of muscle growth and physical appearance???

05-06-2002, 08:55 PM
Personally, I think "bulking" is retarded and can get out of hand at times. Too many kids take it overboard.

05-06-2002, 09:05 PM
here is a study that was posted over at teenbodybuilding.com by a member named mcbain, this is what started my thoughts....

The developmental sequence of adipose tissue in humans is less well defined. In contrast to most neonates, the human neonate is born relatively fat. Two periods of hyperplastic growth are probably during the third trimester of pregnancy and just prior to and during puberty.

Contrary to earlier belief, hyperplastic growth can also occur in adulthood (in both humans and rats). When adipocytes fill with lipid and get to a critical size, precursor cells are stimulated to differentiate, and an increase in adipocyte number results. This critical size probably does not occur with moderate overfeeding unless the overfeeding is of long duration. In addition, there are probably individual differences in the size that will result in new adipocyte formation. Once new adipocytes are formed, they remain throughout life and only a reduction in size of the cell is possible. This increased number of adipocytes has far-reaching consequences for the treatment and prevention of obesity."
(Taken from encyclopedia of sports medicine and science)

Took this from a webpage www.omen.com/adipos.html

"Size and Number of Fat Cells
Is obesity caused by an excess number of fat cells or by gross enlargement of a normal number of fat cells? The answer to this question has heavy implications for the possible success of various weight loss strategies.
Lean individuals have 20 to 40 billion fat cells. Fat cells can expand to no more than twice normal size. Some obese subjects have ten times as many fat cells as normal. Bjorntorp and Sjostrom (METABOLISM V20;7;703) have observed an association between high fat cell numbers (hyperplasia), more severe obesity, and childhood onset obesity. A number of studies have found that subjects with childhood onset obesity have more difficulty losing weight and are more likely to regain more weight than they lose dieting, putting them at risk of hyperobesity from diet induced weight cycling.

A study published in the Proceedings of the 5th International Congress on Obesity showed that obese subjects who had lost weight had fat cells 25 per cent smaller than those of marathon runners who had half the total body fat. The dieters had twice as many fat cells as the athletes.

The defense of body weight against a reduction in diet palatability is much stronger in animals and humans with normal size or small fat cells than in individuals with enlarged fat cells. (Clinical Neuropharmacology Vol 11 Suppl 1 S1-7) This would explain why it is much more difficult for obese individuals to reach and maintain ideal weight.

05-07-2002, 02:37 PM
Just for the record, the above mentioned studies had results based on people who had early onset (childhood) obesity and the studies themselves refute that the same is true for people who were not obese in childhood.

For all intents and purposes, you have a set number of fat cells that will expand or contract based on the amount of fat that you have on your body.