Deca

[Yaz]

No. I'm not thinking about taking it. I'm quite a ways off from even looking at it. I still need to gain about 30-40 pounds of lean... and that will take me some time to do. But after that, I realize that I do have some genetic limitations. For instance, my dad lifted hardcore for the longest time... and did GREAT lifts, yet his arms were still 17 or so. My diet is in check. My training is gradually improving. And I will, of course, make every drop of blood sweat and tears count toward accomplishing a larger and lean physique... though I'd like to get started on reading some information on Deca, and what to stack it with (I hear Sust...)

I know there are some of you who've tried it. I wonder what sources you considered the most reliable? I've got a few years... I am in no hurry. Just never too early to learn about it.

[Tadger]

Hey, it's great that you're doing research well beforehand. Deca stacks well with a good many things. Most feel that it is better used in conjunction with something more androgenic. I know alot of people that recommend it alone, but that isn't a good idea. Deca alone will cause "deca dick" ie. limp dick. It'll cause all kinds of trouble with getting and maintaining erections. When it's stacked with testosterone or another powerful androgen there is no trouble at all. Quite a few people recommend sust/deca which is a tried and true cycle... but I would recommend aratest or omnadren in place of the sust. Omna @500mg/week and Deca @ 400mg/week for 8 or 10 weeks with Dianabol @ 35mg/day for 4 weeks dianabol or winstrol @50mg/day for 4 weeks would be a very good cycle. It would put on alot of mass and everything would be balanced well. The test and d-bol/winny would offset the deca. There is only one oral so liver functions aren't elevated too much. The intramusculars are longer acting so androgen conc in the blood doesn't fluctuate much and the gains will be quite steady and easier to keep. Of course clomid (and HCG) post cycle and with nolvadex or arimidex on hand to control gyno and estrogen levels during and post cycle. You should be all set if ya just research like crazy... it's not hard once ya get into it.

[Belial]

Tadger- what would you say the advantages of the Prop are over the sust? (besides getting to stick yourself more often)

[IBLiftin]

http://www.anabolicreview.com/main.htm

That is a good gear site. Just make sure you are eating enough cals and you should have plenty of natural gains ahead of ya....

[Yaz]

Thanks for the info - Much appreciated!

[Tadger]

The prop will kick in alot faster than the sust. The sust has what... like 30 or 60mg of prop in it? I can't remember at the moment. Well that goes to work pretty fast... after a few hours it's startin, but blood levels drop after 2 or 3 days. It's kind of a waste if you don't follow it up with something else cuz that little spike won't help much. I threw the prop in at 300mg a week, for the first 6 weeks of the cycle to get things started off faster. The sust should be in full effect by the time I come off (I started the prop 2 weeks before the sust so it'll be 4 weeks of sust when I come off the prop) so there is not much time where you're waiting for stuff to happen. The other nice thing about prop is that it doesn't build up in your system either. If you develop gyno problems, you can adjust the dosage accordingly, but if you're on something longer acting, blood levels may still be increasing even if you lower your dosage.