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ThomasG
06-22-2010, 10:50 AM
What do you think of this chart?

Seem off to me on a lot of things for example why would DB dead be better for baseball than a conv dead? machine deadlift for powerlifting lol. I wonder why some of these sports are placed under certain variants.


DEAD LIFT VARIATION...PRIMARY MUSCLES USED...COMMENTS...SPORT-SPECIFIC APPLICATIONS
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Conventional DL...gluteus, quadriceps, hip adductors, spinal erectors...total body exercise...football, volleyball, sailing, soccer

Sumo DL...gluteus, quadriceps, hip adductors...decreased lumbar stress, total body exercise...wrestling, rugby league, rugby union, football

Romanian DL...hamstrings, spinal erectors...essential learning movement for Olympic lifts and variants...weightlifting, field events (throws), hockey

Power Rack DL...spinal erectors...heavy loads used for increased strength... powerlifting, rugby league, rugby union, football

Machine DL...varies with exercise movement...controlled movement pattern...powerlifting, rugby league, rugby union, football

Snatch DL...upper back, spinal erectors...increased scapular stabilization...weightlifting, gymnastics, ski jumper

Dumbbell DL...varies with exercise movement pattern...sailing, windsurfing, baseball, equestrian

One Arm DL...abdominal, spinal erectors...increased trunk stabilization...field events (throws), rugby, squash, tennis, equestrian, archery, sailing

Strongman DL ...gluteus, quadriceps, hip adductors...heavy loads using various objects, total body exercise...wrestling, rugby league, rugby union, football

Fingergrip DL...varies with movement (forearm muscles)...increased grip strength... rock climbing, archery, basketball, gymnastics

Stiff-legged DL...gluteus, quadriceps, hip adductors, spinal erectors...common technical errors, low back rehabilitation contraindicated...diving, gymnastics, sailing

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab224/Jmombb/deads.jpg

Travis Bell
06-22-2010, 11:00 AM
That is quite the over complicated chart! LOL

Let's be honest, how often do you see nautical enthusiasts, archers, equestrians (horse riders) or the like in the gym?

3 variations I feel are best for athletes - wide stance stiff legged, sumo and conventional.

Sometimes the more simple approach is the best.

ThomasG
06-22-2010, 11:04 AM
That is quite the over complicated chart! LOL

Let's be honest, how often do you see nautical enthusiasts, archers, equestrians (horse riders) or the like in the gym?

3 variations I feel are best for athletes - wide stance stiff legged, sumo and conventional.

Sometimes the more simple approach is the best.

I usually go conventional and SLDL with athletes. I have yet to use sumo other than with power lifting. In what scenario do you use sumo dls other than with power lifting?

mike mcgee
06-22-2010, 12:46 PM
What do you think of this chart?

Seem off to me on a lot of things for example why would DB dead be better for baseball than a conv dead? machine deadlift for powerlifting lol. I wonder why some of these sports are placed under certain variants.


DEAD LIFT VARIATION...PRIMARY MUSCLES USED...COMMENTS...SPORT-SPECIFIC APPLICATIONS
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Conventional DL...gluteus, quadriceps, hip adductors, spinal erectors...total body exercise...football, volleyball, sailing, soccer

Sumo DL...gluteus, quadriceps, hip adductors...decreased lumbar stress, total body exercise...wrestling, rugby league, rugby union, football

Romanian DL...hamstrings, spinal erectors...essential learning movement for Olympic lifts and variants...weightlifting, field events (throws), hockey

Power Rack DL...spinal erectors...heavy loads used for increased strength... powerlifting, rugby league, rugby union, football

Machine DL...varies with exercise movement...controlled movement pattern...powerlifting, rugby league, rugby union, football

Snatch DL...upper back, spinal erectors...increased scapular stabilization...weightlifting, gymnastics, ski jumper

Dumbbell DL...varies with exercise movement pattern...sailing, windsurfing, baseball, equestrian

One Arm DL...abdominal, spinal erectors...increased trunk stabilization...field events (throws), rugby, squash, tennis, equestrian, archery, sailing

Strongman DL ...gluteus, quadriceps, hip adductors...heavy loads using various objects, total body exercise...wrestling, rugby league, rugby union, football

Fingergrip DL...varies with movement (forearm muscles)...increased grip strength... rock climbing, archery, basketball, gymnastics

Stiff-legged DL...gluteus, quadriceps, hip adductors, spinal erectors...common technical errors, low back rehabilitation contraindicated...diving, gymnastics, sailing

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab224/Jmombb/deads.jpg

WOW!! somebody wasted a whole bunch of time making this chart. Just Deadlift for Pete's sake.

Butcher
06-22-2010, 01:00 PM
I see the phrase "sport specific training" going the way of core training and functional strength, if it isnt there already.

Travis Bell
06-22-2010, 02:07 PM
I usually go conventional and SLDL with athletes. I have yet to use sumo other than with power lifting. In what scenario do you use sumo dls other than with power lifting?

All my athletes use all the variations I listed. Sumo is great for glutes and hips

Sensei
06-25-2010, 01:20 AM
I see the phrase "sport specific training" going the way of core training and functional strength, if it isnt there already.It definitely is there already...

I guess from now on, I'll have all my equestrian clients do DB DLs because that will be soooo much more "sport specific"!

J.C.
06-26-2010, 05:37 AM
Why do you have your athletes do SLDLs with a wide stance Travis? Is it for hip strength? Or to decrease range of motion and prevent back rounding?

Travis Bell
06-26-2010, 07:55 AM
Yep, hip strength

Ryan Hale
06-26-2010, 11:36 AM
Travis,
You ever use snatch grip deads for your lifters/athletes?

Ryan Hale

Rugby Dad
06-28-2010, 02:14 PM
wide stance stiff leg DL vs. Sumo, ? only difference is the bending of knees in sumo style, is that it?

also with stiff leg the bar isn't going to ride up the shin either? more likely the bar is out in front off the shins a bit too, right?

Travis Bell
06-28-2010, 09:24 PM
Travis,
You ever use snatch grip deads for your lifters/athletes?

Ryan Hale

Not really


wide stance stiff leg DL vs. Sumo, ? only difference is the bending of knees in sumo style, is that it?

also with stiff leg the bar isn't going to ride up the shin either? more likely the bar is out in front off the shins a bit too, right?

No. Wide stance SLDL is done with a much wider stance than you would pull regular sumo. It's exaggerated. That's how you get the hips worked

And actually it's the opposite with the shins, when your legs are straight, you have to have the bar more in front of you at the start of the lift as you need to maintain a tight arch.

Ruff Riff
06-30-2010, 12:41 PM
I think more threads like this one are REALLY cool and helpful!

It is nice to be able to let people know how many of the lifts we do can help athletes in many different sports, all really, but never the less the discussion is an educational one and interesting to see everyones ideas.

Cali4nia
09-02-2010, 03:39 PM
That is quite the over complicated chart! LOL

Let's be honest, how often do you see nautical enthusiasts, archers, equestrians (horse riders) or the like in the gym?

3 variations I feel are best for athletes - wide stance stiff legged, sumo and conventional.

Sometimes the more simple approach is the best.

Hi Travis, Regarding the wide stance stiff-legged DL, where in relation are your toes to the plates?.

Is this about right?. Like an inch or 2 inside?. Or wider?.

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Travis Bell
09-03-2010, 11:25 AM
Hi Travis, Regarding the wide stance stiff-legged DL, where in relation are your toes to the plates?.

Is this about right?. Like an inch or 2 inside?. Or wider?.

Foot position is about right, but no that is not quite correct on how to perform them.

bojackson
09-08-2010, 09:07 AM
I can say after spending 15 years of training college and high school athletes, I wish more coaches would incorproate the Deadlift. Most coaches are afraid of "injury", hence the popularity of the hex/trap bar deadlift.When I have been able to incorporate the deadlift, within a year the atheltes almost transform from the top of the shoulders to the back of there knees. I have had many coaches see our kids in a uniform and ask "what the hell are we doing to develop these kids?". Im not saying its for everyone, but it has without a doubt been "100%" beneficial for the athletes I have trained. And forget the term "sport specific", its over-used and over analyzed.

Cali4nia
09-09-2010, 06:58 AM
Foot position is about right, but no that is not quite correct on how to perform them.

Travis, Since you train at one of the Worlds top powerlifting gyms, Would you happen to know why Bolton is head & shoulders above everyone else in the sport & Why nobody from Westside can touch him?, Even with having a world class figure such as Louie on board?.

Cali4nia
09-09-2010, 07:02 AM
I can say after spending 15 years of training college and high school athletes, I wish more coaches would incorproate the Deadlift. Most coaches are afraid of "injury", hence the popularity of the hex/trap bar deadlift.When I have been able to incorporate the deadlift, within a year the atheltes almost transform from the top of the shoulders to the back of there knees. I have had many coaches see our kids in a uniform and ask "what the hell are we doing to develop these kids?". Im not saying its for everyone, but it has without a doubt been "100%" beneficial for the athletes I have trained. And forget the term "sport specific", its over-used and over analyzed.

Was Bo big into deadlifting?.

Travis Bell
09-09-2010, 08:42 AM
Travis, Since you train at one of the Worlds top powerlifting gyms, Would you happen to know why Andy Bolton is head & shoulders above everyone else in the sport & Why nobody from Westside can touch him?, Even with having a world class figure such as Louie on board?.

LOL um, maybe for the same reason that NOBODY else can catch him? Same reason that NOBODY can touch Kennelly on the bench?

Those guys are built for and genetically gifted for what they do. It's that simple. A coach can't create genetics.

Cali4nia
09-09-2010, 02:22 PM
Oh well.

At least your better looking.

Thats something at least.

DMedley
09-09-2010, 07:25 PM
Let's be honest, how often do you see nautical enthusiasts, archers, equestrians (horse riders) or the like in the gym? .

Well to be honest ... any day I go to the gym I see at least 3 archers and a dozen or so equestrians ... I also live in Cowboy Country. LOL but your point is well taken.

Travis Bell
09-09-2010, 07:57 PM
Well to be honest ... any day I go to the gym I see at least 3 archers and a dozen or so equestrians ... I also live in Cowboy Country. LOL but your point is well taken.

Yeah my point was just that they are probably not in there to improve their performance in their given sport. They are there to be lifters just like the rest of us. In addition, even if they were, deadlifting a specific way isn't going to make a big difference.

However should they be in there to improve their sport performance, I suppose you probably can't argue that lol.