Temptation

[majsi98]

Hello guys ... currently I am cutting i am 5 "65 and currently am weighing 80kg I am in the 5 th week of cutting down and till now just used ephedrine for 2weeks .. will start them again next week anyway....and I must not complain things are going well anyway I never did a cycle however I am really tempted into doing one now... I know most of you would yell at me telling me that its insane to start your first cycle on a diet but I am not thinking of anything fancy just some primo and winstrol (i d like to do anavar) but In my country its nearly impossible to find them.... what do you suggest?
THANKS for your help

[G-B]

I suggest not taking drugs and perhaps trying to obtain a nice physique the hard way....naturally.

[the doc]

i suggest listening to g-b

[majsi98]

Anyway suppose I would still do the cycle what should I expect?

[syd]

if things are going well i would suggest keep doing what you are doing...


then do a bulking cycle after :D

[YAKKA]

I agree with syd .. if you are happy with your results there is no
need for AS (my friend).......:)

[Severed Ties]

Steroids are not going to significantly increase fat burning. They typically will only help you maintain the muscle you have so if your diet is good a small cycle offers no major benefit. I say small because a few grams of anabolic and some HGH will do anyone a world of benefit.

ST

[majsi98]

QUestion for ST : so what I am saying is will I be able to significantly reduce my bodyfat (not as result of steroids) but at the same time increase my lbm (with this cycle) and if so to what extent? Primo(200mg per week) + Winstrol tablets

[Severed Ties]

I really have no way of answering that without having worked with you naturally. Personally I've dropped my bodyfat over 6% while slightly increasing my bodyweight naturally when my diet was dialed in perfectly. When I worked with people in the past to lean out (drop bodyfat % while maintaining starting body weight) they were already increasing their LBM during the diet, hence their scale weight stays the same. The addition of a mild amount of AS probably would have yielded another 5 pounds of lbm over the 12 weeks of dieting.


The key here was the diet and their commitment to stick to it, the AS would only have made a small difference. It's rather impossible for me to say what your results will be but maybe what I stated above can give you an idea.

ST

[majsi98]

Ok thanks for your feedback. So its decided I leave it for now and run a big phat cycle at the fall of June begining of July..... It will be my first cycle hope everything will fall right in its place.

My goal is of course to get as big as possible with the least ammount of fat something within 12% range. I m thinking of 8 weeks Deca + Test and taper down with winny last 4 weeks keeping Nolva handy and use Clomid an HCG by end of course. What do you think? I think its better to stick with the basics rather then going fancy..... This is in a preparation to a contest that will be held in September 2003 which leaves me something like 18 months chance to prepare for it.

What should I expect on muscle gains ? and I d like Severed Ties to tell me how many cycles should I try to cram in till the show!

[Severed Ties]

Originally posted by majsi98

My goal is of course to get as big as possible with the least ammount of fat something within 12% range. I m thinking of 8 weeks Deca + Test and taper down with winny last 4 weeks keeping Nolva handy and use Clomid an HCG by end of course. What do you think? I think its better to stick with the basics rather then going fancy..... This is in a preparation to a contest that will be held in September 2003 which leaves me something like 18 months chance to prepare for it.

****Well I'm not a fan of Deca, but I think everyone here knows that by now. Also you can test positive for nandrolone metabolites up to 18 months after your last injection, so that may be something to consider.


What should I expect on muscle gains ?

****on the cycle above, depends on your diet. The leaner you try to stay during a cycle the less muscle you will net.

and I d like Severed Ties to tell me how many cycles should I try to cram in till the show!

****Thats your decision, For the best possible condition you should go on for all 18 months. It's certainly not healthy but you must decided on whats more important.






ST

[majsi98]

What I thought is going 8 weeks on 12 weeks off for the first cycle, then do 12 weeks on 10 weeks off cycles until the competition..... the problem of the 18 months I already considered it :( somebody at my gym suggested taking Boldonate instead of deca(veternary) what do you think about this drug?