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jds 82
09-12-2010, 04:03 PM
i recently read an article on milk and eggs and it kind of said that it can lead to cancer? is this thru? it was egg substitutes/ free rage would be a better choce and rice/ soye milk would allso be a better choce? now is this thru cause i all ways have eggs in the morring and i am starting a bluk which has at least 5 glasses of whole milk a day in it, but i dont want to be sorry for this down the road? i all way thought that these were good for ya?

NickAus
09-12-2010, 04:32 PM
I hope not cause I have drunk a heck of a lot of milk since I was 13 years old.........1-2 liters in the day and a liter at night almost every day for 17 years.

NickAus
09-12-2010, 04:33 PM
And no I am not being a smart ass.

tom183
09-12-2010, 05:40 PM
I have never heard this. Are you able to link us to the article?

dynamo
09-12-2010, 06:03 PM
I've been on the almost GOMAD diet for the better part of a decade. I practically piss milk. show me your proof witch lest ye be tossed in the Thames for the legendary Narwhal!

Allen Cress
09-12-2010, 06:55 PM
You can basically find an article showing negative effects of any food so take it with a grain of salt. There is soo much pseudo science out there and articles written just to be written it doesn't mean you should stop eating eaggs or drinking milk. You also have to look at the source , type of research, etc.....

ThomasG
09-12-2010, 10:46 PM
Milk is magic.

Daniel Roberts
09-13-2010, 04:57 AM
Theory is that milk ingestion leads to increased igf levels in the body which have been associated with an increased risk of cancer i.e. some people with cancer have been found to have higher than normal levels of igf-1 and other insulin like growth factors. No causal link has been found though i.e. increased white blood cell count is associated with infection but is not the cause of.

So it's not proven whether increased igf causes cancer and even if it did there's not much out there to suggest that drinking milk even raises igf in the first place.

Int J Food Sci Nutr. 2009;60 Suppl 7:330-40. Epub 2009 Sep 9.

Milk consumption and circulating insulin-like growth factor-I level: a systematic literature review.
Qin LQ, He K, Xu JY.

Department of Nutrition and Food Hygiene, School of Radiation Medicine and Public Health, Medical College of Soochow University, Suzhou, China. qinliqiang@suda.edu.cn

Abstract
Studies suggest that the circulating insulin-like growth factor I (IGF-I) level is positively associated with the prostate cancer risk. The association of milk consumption and circulating IGF-I level has been examined in epidemiological studies with inconsistent results. We conducted a systematic literature review to summarize and quantify the current evidence for milk or dairy product consumption and the circulating IGF-I level. We searched relevant papers published in English up to March 2009 in various databases. Fifteen cross-sectional studies and eight randomized controlled trials were finally identified. Ten cross-sectional studies showed statistically positive correlation between milk consumption and the circulating IGF-I level. Randomized controlled trials indicated that the circulating IGF-I level was significantly higher in the milk intervention group. After meta-analysis, the weighted mean difference of the circulating IGF-I level was 13.8 ng/ml (95% confidence interval: 6.1-21.5 ng/ml) comparing the intervention group with the control group. The current evidence suggests that milk consumption may increase the circulating IGF-I level.

Kiff
09-13-2010, 04:58 AM
Milk is magic.

This reminds me, time for my second Litre of the day

mike mcgee
09-14-2010, 11:44 AM
You can basically find an article showing negative effects of any food so take it with a grain of salt. There is soo much pseudo science out there and articles written just to be written it doesn't mean you should stop eating eaggs or drinking milk. You also have to look at the source , type of research, etc.....

- So true.

- Did you all hear that latest that swimming in pools with chlorine causes cancer now too?

jds 82
09-15-2010, 03:43 PM
And no I am not being a smart ass.

i no i was the same when i read it

jds 82
09-15-2010, 03:46 PM
I have never heard this. Are you able to link us to the article?

its the same article as daniel has up here but youd have to read the whole article...not sure were the link is ill try and find it soon

jds 82
09-15-2010, 03:47 PM
You can basically find an article showing negative effects of any food so take it with a grain of salt. There is soo much pseudo science out there and articles written just to be written it doesn't mean you should stop eating eaggs or drinking milk. You also have to look at the source , type of research, etc.....

tru didnt real look at the source were it came from

jds 82
09-15-2010, 03:51 PM
Theory is that milk ingestion leads to increased igf levels in the body which have been associated with an increased risk of cancer i.e. some people with cancer have been found to have higher than normal levels of igf-1 and other insulin like growth factors. No causal link has been found though i.e. increased white blood cell count is associated with infection but is not the cause of.

So it's not proven whether increased igf causes cancer and even if it did there's not much out there to suggest that drinking milk even raises igf in the first place.

Int J Food Sci Nutr. 2009;60 Suppl 7:330-40. Epub 2009 Sep 9.

Milk consumption and circulating insulin-like growth factor-I level: a systematic literature review.
Qin LQ, He K, Xu JY.

Department of Nutrition and Food Hygiene, School of Radiation Medicine and Public Health, Medical College of Soochow University, Suzhou, China. qinliqiang@suda.edu.cn

Abstract
Studies suggest that the circulating insulin-like growth factor I (IGF-I) level is positively associated with the prostate cancer risk. The association of milk consumption and circulating IGF-I level has been examined in epidemiological studies with inconsistent results. We conducted a systematic literature review to summarize and quantify the current evidence for milk or dairy product consumption and the circulating IGF-I level. We searched relevant papers published in English up to March 2009 in various databases. Fifteen cross-sectional studies and eight randomized controlled trials were finally identified. Ten cross-sectional studies showed statistically positive correlation between milk consumption and the circulating IGF-I level. Randomized controlled trials indicated that the circulating IGF-I level was significantly higher in the milk intervention group. After meta-analysis, the weighted mean difference of the circulating IGF-I level was 13.8 ng/ml (95% confidence interval: 6.1-21.5 ng/ml) comparing the intervention group with the control group. The current evidence suggests that milk consumption may increase the circulating IGF-I level.

this looks like one that i read, but it was pushing more to that milk and eggs do cause it, on less you use free rage eggs and rice milk and so on

jds 82
09-15-2010, 03:53 PM
- So true.

- Did you all hear that latest that swimming in pools with chlorine causes cancer now too?

swimming pools in all ?cant do noting these days and people are getting some thing

Off Road
09-15-2010, 04:12 PM
I'm inclined to believe that cancer is a genetic defect of some kind. Some people can smoke, drink, and eat radioactive food until they die of real old age. Others can stand next to somebody that had a cigarrette two weeks prior and be dead in a year.

Mercuryblade
09-15-2010, 04:49 PM
I'm inclined to believe that cancer is a genetic defect of some kind. Some people can smoke, drink, and eat radioactive food until they die of real old age. Others can stand next to somebody that had a cigarrette two weeks prior and be dead in a year.

The plural of anecdote is not data.
You are correct in that there is definitely a genetic component to cancer, but like most things it does not stop there. We know plenty of things can significantly increase one's risk for cancer, unfortunately the media has really distorted science and tends to over blow findings, and now many people are skeptical of just about everything, even legitimate health concerns.

This scenario is not too uncommon:
Scientist wants to discover relationship between X and Y. Scientist collects data and it's statistically significant enough to posit a potential link between X and Y. Since it's almost impossible to completely normalize every variable and definitely prove that all other variables are independent, and this relationship hasn't been confirmed in other studies, scientist will end paper with something to the effect of "This data suggests a link, but does not prove that X increases Y under these conditions. Clearly more research needs to be conducted before further conclusions are drawn."
Scientist has decent sample size and clean statistically significant data. Study get published with the intent that this will provide as a stepping stone for others to further investigate the relationship between X and Y.
Someone in media discovers this study, comes out with article "Scientists finds link between X and Y" (lets say 'X' is bananas and 'Y' is cancer). General public see's the word "link" and automatically assumes "proves", and media knows this. Fear mongering = more viewers more subscribers etc.

So yeah, long story short there is plenty of stuff out there that could be harmful and don't be so quick to discredit something, but don't also completely adjust your lifestyle every time a single study comes out that suggest a harmful effect from a substance.